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Week 9 2016 vs Saints Coaches Film Thread
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Nov 10, 2016 at 9:49 PM
- thl408
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49ers played great. Let's check out the highlights.
Nov 10, 2016 at 9:58 PM
- thl408
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Bill Walsh staple concept.
By lining up with 2WRs to one side of the field and 2 TEs to the other, 49ers try to get a read on the coverage. If two CBs line up over the 2WRs, it's man coverage. If a LB or S lines up over the slot WR, it's zone. It's zone with one single high safety.
Spot vs Cover3

Celek is running passive interference on red LB and won't win his Corner route with a deep 1/3 defender over the top. The orange curl/flat defender goes to the flat to cover the RB. Target is to the Curl.

#54 comes close to making a play on the ball.

+14
By lining up with 2WRs to one side of the field and 2 TEs to the other, 49ers try to get a read on the coverage. If two CBs line up over the 2WRs, it's man coverage. If a LB or S lines up over the slot WR, it's zone. It's zone with one single high safety.
Spot vs Cover3

Celek is running passive interference on red LB and won't win his Corner route with a deep 1/3 defender over the top. The orange curl/flat defender goes to the flat to cover the RB. Target is to the Curl.

#54 comes close to making a play on the ball.

+14

Nov 10, 2016 at 10:06 PM
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Spot vs Fire zone blitz(?)
Saints bring 5 rushers playing single high.

Bringing an extra rusher (red) from the strongside of the passing formation leaves one less defender on that side of the field.

I think this is Fire Zone blitz and #54 should be the Curl/Flat defender. #54 has seen this before (post#2) and sticks to the Curl.

Touchdown
Saints bring 5 rushers playing single high.

Bringing an extra rusher (red) from the strongside of the passing formation leaves one less defender on that side of the field.

I think this is Fire Zone blitz and #54 should be the Curl/Flat defender. #54 has seen this before (post#2) and sticks to the Curl.

Touchdown

Nov 10, 2016 at 10:10 PM
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4 Verticals vs Cover3 pattern match?

High safety (blue) shades to the 2WR side, read the other side of the field.

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High safety (blue) shades to the 2WR side, read the other side of the field.

+31

Nov 10, 2016 at 10:15 PM
- thl408
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RB screen for positive yards!

Finally Kap looks the other way to sell misdirection on a screen pass. This is a big reason why past screen passes had a hard time finding success.

+11. Looks cool when one guy with dreads hits another with dreads.

Finally Kap looks the other way to sell misdirection on a screen pass. This is a big reason why past screen passes had a hard time finding success.

+11. Looks cool when one guy with dreads hits another with dreads.

Nov 11, 2016 at 12:03 AM
- JeuSF49
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This is what Comes out wwhen w eplay a poor defence. The offence Looks legit.
Nov 11, 2016 at 1:46 AM
- zugschef
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This was definitely Kaep's best game so far and he played well enough to get a win. With the defense the team sends on the field, the game wasn't winable, even if he had played better, anyway.
Nov 11, 2016 at 1:49 AM
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Watching a reply. That damn fumble by Davis. And our s**t d
Nov 11, 2016 at 8:40 AM
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Nov 11, 2016 at 9:05 AM
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I thought kap looked decent in the 1st half but missed a TON of open receivers in the 2nd half. We should of scored 30+ pts. On a side note it was nice to see Dorsey playing quite a few s snaps, too bad it didn't seem like he helped much though. I would of thought Brooks, Defo, Dial, Dorsey, Eli would of been atleast a decent line at stopping the run.
Nov 11, 2016 at 10:31 AM
- thl408
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After the screen pass to Harris, this is the failed 3rd down attempt to Kerley. It's a combination Mesh (yellow + red) and Shallow Cross concept (yellow + orange).
vs Cover1 robber(?)

The blue robber (spy) takes away Kerley's route, but Kap will stick with it and wait for Kerley to run across the field past the robber, instead of moving through his progression.

Kap steps up into the pocket as he waits for Kerley to clear across. I think his progression should have been Harris - Kerley - Torrey - Vance - backside WR. had he went Kerley to Torrey, he might have found Torrey open across the middle.

By having to wait so long to hit Kerley's drag, the angle to complete the pass becomes more difficult. (It's easiest when the drag is directly in front of the QB). Defender was able to knock down the pass. Incomplete.
vs Cover1 robber(?)

The blue robber (spy) takes away Kerley's route, but Kap will stick with it and wait for Kerley to run across the field past the robber, instead of moving through his progression.

Kap steps up into the pocket as he waits for Kerley to clear across. I think his progression should have been Harris - Kerley - Torrey - Vance - backside WR. had he went Kerley to Torrey, he might have found Torrey open across the middle.

By having to wait so long to hit Kerley's drag, the angle to complete the pass becomes more difficult. (It's easiest when the drag is directly in front of the QB). Defender was able to knock down the pass. Incomplete.

Nov 11, 2016 at 10:41 AM
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I showed the play above (post #11) to set up this play. This is the touchdown to Vance.
Instead of running the Mesh concept over the middle, the 49ers run two pivot (jerk) routes to fake the Mesh concept.
Same 11 personnel group and formation. Only difference is the #2 WR (red) is now Patton instead of Kerley. Looks like the same coverage from the Saints. Some sort of Cover1, but the 'deep' safety is not playing with much depth.

Play starts out looking the same, but the two drags will now pivot instead.

The blue LB on Vance takes a horribly aggressive angle to try and play the pass.

Instead of running the Mesh concept over the middle, the 49ers run two pivot (jerk) routes to fake the Mesh concept.
Same 11 personnel group and formation. Only difference is the #2 WR (red) is now Patton instead of Kerley. Looks like the same coverage from the Saints. Some sort of Cover1, but the 'deep' safety is not playing with much depth.

Play starts out looking the same, but the two drags will now pivot instead.

The blue LB on Vance takes a horribly aggressive angle to try and play the pass.


Nov 11, 2016 at 11:22 AM
- KeepRabbitsOut
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What withe analysis on Buckner playing too tall?
Nov 11, 2016 at 11:53 AM
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Originally posted by KeepRabbitsOut:
What withe analysis on Buckner playing too tall?
I would guess that it's most likely a very real issue for him, or any DLman that's 6'4" and up, to maintain good pad level. There are plays where Buckner gets completely shoved out of the area, and other plays where he stands his ground. So my guess is that he's very inconsistent with his technique, but it's very hard for me to tell pad level from the camera views provided. I will look at hand placement, which is much easier to see, and the result of the play. I can sometimes see if the OL is under a DLman, which indicates the OL got lower, but I don't really watch individual players when I watch the game unless they really standout negatively or positively. I'm mainly looking at the play and what the 22 players are doing from a playcall aspect (route concept vs coverage, or defensive front vs run blocking concept). Perhaps in the offseason I'll look at individual players.
Nov 11, 2016 at 12:13 PM
- KeepRabbitsOut
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Originally posted by thl408:Originally posted by KeepRabbitsOut:What withe analysis on Buckner playing too tall?
I would guess that it's most likely a very real issue for him, or any DLman that's 6'4" and up, to maintain good pad level. There are plays where Buckner gets completely shoved out of the area, and other plays where he stands his ground. So my guess is that he's very inconsistent with his technique, but it's very hard for me to tell pad level from the camera views provided. I will look at hand placement, which is much easier to see, and the result of the play. I can sometimes see if the OL is under a DLman, which indicates the OL got lower, but I don't really watch individual players when I watch the game unless they really standout negatively or positively. I'm mainly looking at the play and what the 22 players are doing from a playcall aspect (route concept vs coverage, or defensive front vs run blocking concept). Perhaps in the offseason I'll look at individual players.
Thanks

From what I can see Kap seems very unrefined in the pocket and our WRs are subpar.
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