Cassius Marsh thread

Originally posted by 9erred:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by AB81Rules:
Nothing concrete yet, but this is my best guess.

$2m signing bonus
$300k yearly per game roster bonuses($18,750 a game, $281,250 counts in 2018 as he played in 15 games between us and the Pats)
$100k yearly workout bonuses

Cap number is either $2,481,250 or $3,481,250 for 2018 due to the difference between the NFLPA report the past few days
Cap number for 2019 should be $5.2M

so if i'm looking at this right it's pretty much a 1 yr deal unless he balls out?

Yes and no. It is a friendly deal to player and team. If he balls out he makes max money. If he is pretty good they probably will keep him for year two for 3.5 million. Pass rushers are a premium. I am and have always been all for incentive based deals. If he crushes it he makes bank, if not he is stil set up for life

With what I'm looking at from AB, why would they keep him on the books for $5.2 million in 2019 unless he becomes a full-time starter and balls out? If his guarantee is $3.1 million and he get's $ 2 million yr one...they only lose like a million to cut him in 2019 vs him taking up $5.2 million in cap space...unless I'm reading it wrong

Originally posted by pdizo916:
Too much money

how so?

Originally posted by NYniner85:

so if i'm looking at this right it's pretty much a 1 yr deal unless he balls out?

Pretty much looks that way. 1.1 mil the first year so it looks like he will bust his tail to get that 3.8 mil in year 2.

Good old Marathe. Love the way he structures contracts.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by 9erred:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by AB81Rules:
Nothing concrete yet, but this is my best guess.

$2m signing bonus
$300k yearly per game roster bonuses($18,750 a game, $281,250 counts in 2018 as he played in 15 games between us and the Pats)
$100k yearly workout bonuses

Cap number is either $2,481,250 or $3,481,250 for 2018 due to the difference between the NFLPA report the past few days
Cap number for 2019 should be $5.2M

so if i'm looking at this right it's pretty much a 1 yr deal unless he balls out?

Yes and no. It is a friendly deal to player and team. If he balls out he makes max money. If he is pretty good they probably will keep him for year two for 3.5 million. Pass rushers are a premium. I am and have always been all for incentive based deals. If he crushes it he makes bank, if not he is stil set up for life

With what I'm looking at from AB, why would they keep him on the books for $5.2 million in 2019 unless he becomes a full-time starter and balls out? If his guarantee is $3.1 million and he get's $ 2 million yr one...they only lose like a million to cut him in 2019 vs him taking up $5.2 million in cap space...unless I'm reading it wrong

Correct, basically a 1yr deal, they can cut him and save $4.2m in 2019.

Originally posted by jcs:
That kind of money screams expectations....or that they see him as a possible starter. With Elvis still under contract I wonder if we even target a high dollar pass rusher in F/A or spend a high draft pick on one?

huh? not really...$3.1 million is what is guaranteed, which could be spread out over two yrs. it's basically a one yr deal.

This contract has absolutely no bearing on what we do as far as pass rusher goes.

Originally posted by AB81Rules:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by 9erred:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by AB81Rules:
Nothing concrete yet, but this is my best guess.

$2m signing bonus
$300k yearly per game roster bonuses($18,750 a game, $281,250 counts in 2018 as he played in 15 games between us and the Pats)
$100k yearly workout bonuses

Cap number is either $2,481,250 or $3,481,250 for 2018 due to the difference between the NFLPA report the past few days
Cap number for 2019 should be $5.2M

so if i'm looking at this right it's pretty much a 1 yr deal unless he balls out?

Yes and no. It is a friendly deal to player and team. If he balls out he makes max money. If he is pretty good they probably will keep him for year two for 3.5 million. Pass rushers are a premium. I am and have always been all for incentive based deals. If he crushes it he makes bank, if not he is stil set up for life

With what I'm looking at from AB, why would they keep him on the books for $5.2 million in 2019 unless he becomes a full-time starter and balls out? If his guarantee is $3.1 million and he get's $ 2 million yr one...they only lose like a million to cut him in 2019 vs him taking up $5.2 million in cap space...unless I'm reading it wrong

Correct, basically a 1yr deal, they can cut him and save $4.2m in 2019.

nice thanks!

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by jcs:

That kind of money screams expectations....or that they see him as a possible starter. With Elvis still under contract I wonder if we even target a high dollar pass rusher in F/A or spend a high draft pick on one?

huh? not really...$3.1 million is what is guaranteed, which could be spread out over two yrs. it's basically a one yr deal.

This contract has absolutely no bearing on what we do as far as pass rusher goes.

I dont agree with NY on this one. Marsh made 2.5 million total in his first 4 years in the NFL. He got a significant pay raise and it says a lot to me as well. Dont shun out the rest of the deal just because it isnt guaranteed.

He will most definitely get some incentives in the sack department but usally most of those incentives are based on staying healthy and playing games. Such as roster bonuses.

Originally posted by JBrack:

I dont agree with NY on this one. Marsh made 2.5 million total in his first 4 years in the NFL. He got a significant pay raise and it says a lot to me as well. Dont shun out the rest of the deal just because it isnt guaranteed.

He will most definitely get some incentives in the sack department but usally most of those incentives are based on staying healthy and playing games. Such as roster bonuses.

According to our resident capologist AB (see above) it most certainly is a one yr deal for basically $3 million. I don't really care what he made on his rookie deal, he was a 4th rd pick id expect him to make more than that if he actually got a 2nd contract.

It's incentive based yes, but they didn't put a ton of guaranteed money on the table which would show you how much they actually value him. $3 million is not eye opening imo. We could essentially cut Dekoda Watson and the money we saved would go to Marsh, that's how little it effects anything...unless he turns into a 10+ sack guy (then we have a monster bargain).

All I care about is cap space end of the day. AB stats we can save like $4.2 million next yr if he doesn't perform, so yeah it's really a one yr deal.

IMO this has zero effect on what we do in FA or draft regarding a edge rusher.

Cassius Marsh details $2m roster bonus due March 17, $300k per game roster bonuses and $100k workout bonuses, 2018 base is fully GTD. 2019 is option year, $1.875m NLTBE for sacks and play time.

Originally posted by AB81Rules:

Cassius Marsh details $2m roster bonus due March 17, $300k per game roster bonuses and $100k workout bonuses, 2018 base is fully GTD. 2019 is option year, $1.875m NLTBE for sacks and play time.

So he is going make about 7.2 million if he plays all 16 games?

Is that what im reading?

Originally posted by JBrack:

Originally posted by AB81Rules:
Cassius Marsh details $2m roster bonus due March 17, $300k per game roster bonuses and $100k workout bonuses, 2018 base is fully GTD. 2019 is option year, $1.875m NLTBE for sacks and play time.

So he is going make about 7.2 million if he plays all 16 games?

Is that what im reading?

Sorry, no, it's $300K total for 16 games, cap number is $3,481,250 for 2018 and $4.2m for 2019.

Originally posted by AB81Rules:
Sorry, no, it's $300K total for 16 games, cap number is $3,481,250 for 2018 and $4.2m for 2019.

AB. you are the only one i trust. after the jimmy deal . are we setting good cap wise,. i hear different figures from 60 million to 80 million dollars in cap space,. what do you know because you are the smartest person on this board with this stuff

Originally posted by cciowa:

Originally posted by AB81Rules:
Sorry, no, it's $300K total for 16 games, cap number is $3,481,250 for 2018 and $4.2m for 2019.

AB. you are the only one i trust. after the jimmy deal . are we setting good cap wise,. i hear different figures from 60 million to 80 million dollars in cap space,. what do you know because you are the smartest person on this board with this stuff

Yes we're fine, We're at about $74m under right now, as for future years, depending on the cap, $89M in 2019, $149M in 2020, $181M in 2021, before carryover, and other deals of course.

Originally posted by AB81Rules:

Originally posted by cciowa:

Originally posted by AB81Rules:

Sorry, no, it's $300K total for 16 games, cap number is $3,481,250 for 2018 and $4.2m for 2019.

AB. you are the only one i trust. after the jimmy deal . are we setting good cap wise,. i hear different figures from 60 million to 80 million dollars in cap space,. what do you know because you are the smartest person on this board with this stuff

Yes we're fine, We're at about $74m under right now, as for future years, depending on the cap, $89M in 2019, $149M in 2020, $181M in 2021, before carryover, and other deals of course.

Originally posted by jcs:

Originally posted by valrod33:

DE Cassius Marsh's two-year deal with the 49ers has a base value of $7.7M with $3.1M guaranteed. The max value of the deal (with incentives/escalators) is $12.7M.

— Field Yates (@FieldYates) February 9, 2018

That kind of money screams expectations....or that they see him as a possible starter. With Elvis still under contract I wonder if we even target a high dollar pass rusher in F/A or spend a high draft pick on one?

We definitely need to improve our pass rush..
Two things win games.
1. Keep our QB up.
2. Knock opposing QB Down.