Deshaun Watson, QB, Clemson - Legit alternative to Jared Goff in 2017?

Originally posted by adrianlesnar:
Rather draft myles g, go skill position heavy draft, shore up trenches in FA and suck for sam darnold 2018

If Niners take Deshaun at #2, its because the Browns already took Garrett.

Originally posted by PRIMETIME21:

Originally posted by Jax49er:
deshaun wouldn't be an improvement over keeping kaepernick and drafting best available in that spot. Its a ridiculous notion to waste the pick on a QB considering there are no potential HOF QBs in the draft.

/thread

Yea true, should just build around kap, he like what 30? He still has 10 years left, probably 5 with that elite running ability

lol, nobody said we should build around kaep. Its just why waste the pick on a QB who is only as good as kaep, when instead we can build an actual team with the pick, and then draft a young QB in a later year. Rebuilding doesnt start with a QB it ends with it.

Look at all the great teams of the last decade, they all had solid rosters first and then placed a young QB at the spot.

Originally posted by Jax49er:

Originally posted by PRIMETIME21:

Originally posted by Jax49er:
deshaun wouldn't be an improvement over keeping kaepernick and drafting best available in that spot. Its a ridiculous notion to waste the pick on a QB considering there are no potential HOF QBs in the draft.

/thread

Yea true, should just build around kap, he like what 30? He still has 10 years left, probably 5 with that elite running ability

lol, nobody said we should build around kaep. Its just why waste the pick on a QB who is only as good as kaep, when instead we can build an actual team with the pick, and then draft a young QB in a later year. Rebuilding doesnt start with a QB it ends with it.

Look at all the great teams of the last decade, they all had solid rosters first and then placed a young QB at the spot.

...and again...whats the guarantee who's "only as good as Kap".

People made the same argument on why to take Rodgers because he's "only as good as Joey Harrington".

You don't know that. Kap and Deshaun are COMPLETELY different players with very different college careers.

if we draft Watson at number 2 it will be the 2005-2010 49ers all over again.

I have watched quite a bit of film on the top QB's in this draft. My evaluation on my top 3 is:

#1: Trubisky: Very accurate qb with a great arm. Has a ton of mobility (in the pocket) and good patience and cahones to stay in a tightening pocket. Was used in more running plays than he should have, because at the pro level he isn't a running QB. But has the the pocket style of an Aaron Rodgers and is athletic like Alex Smith was coming out. Only HUGE question I have with him is that when he is having a bad game, he has a really bad game. I wonder about mental toughness when things go bad. Also has a habit of playing poorly in bad weather, which isn't a major issue in the regular season, but playoff games are another thing. I love his demeanor, especially when the game is on the line. Also a big tell for me was watching him throw to players that won't be in the NFL, against defenses that have NFL talent.

#2 Kizer: Has a few attributes that remind me of Andrew Luck. Not as accurate, and not as mature with his reads as Luck was coming out. Not as accurate as Trubisky, but still good accuracy. Main complaint with Kizer is that he has a tendency to be slow off his first read and then run. Kap like, but without the speed to get away with it. However, he is a very good athlete that could convert "and 1" situations all by himself. Isn't what I would call a "winner", not that he is bad, but he doesn't seem to inspire a team around him or become bigger in big moments.

#3 Watson: LOVE his ability to win, no matter the odds. In this discussion I've seen others refer to him as Tebow like. This is the quality that I think they are seeing. Like Tebow, Watson is a born winner. Watson is a FAR FAR superior thrower than Tebow, but I would still consider his accuracy to be only above average. He benefited greatly by having big, tall, long, and talented receivers. In this way he is a little bit like RG3 in that RG3 had an NFL quality WR to throw to in college that made his "close" throws "good enough" throws. My biggest gripe about Watson though is that I think Clemson has won on mostly a 1 read system. As you watch him play, there are almost NEVER plays where he sits in the pocket going through his options. He is rolled out, run with, play action out, play action long. The only time I've seen him actually read the field is on broken plays, which he has shown to be amazing at converting. Watson is the type of player that I believe could be a "good" player at a few different positions in the NFL. He should be a QB, but for my taste his college offense makes him look too much like Kap (mostly 1 read).

Originally posted by Marvin49:

Originally posted by Jax49er:
deshaun wouldn't be an improvement over keeping kaepernick and drafting best available in that spot. Its a ridiculous notion to waste the pick on a QB considering there are no potential HOF QBs in the draft.

/thread

yeah...not /thread.

You have no idea if Deshaun would be an improvement and we have no idea if there are HOF QBs in this class. Most HOF QBs weren't considered HOF prospects in the draft when they were taken. Thats a ludicrous statement.

The only question to answer is how you think his chances of being a good player stack up against the other players you can take at that spot. There is a good argument to be had that the other players have bette potential, but don't give this "no HOF prospects" BS.

Brady. Wilson. Rodgers.

ACTIVE QBs who were not considered HOF QB prospects. Brady a 6th round pick. Wilson too short. Third round. Rodgers a product of Jeff Tedford and those guys ALWAYS bust.

LOL.

Don't forget Joe Montana. I see Watson somewhere in the vicinity of Teddy Bridgewater or Marcus Mariota. The fact he's the best player on the field in a game that features a lot of first round talent really encourages me. Perhaps he's a bust, but he's done everything that has been asked of him so far.

We'll see once the scouts start dissecting all the film, but so far I see an ideal scenario for SF would be to use their 1st rounder on the BPA (WR?) and come back into round 1 for one of the QB's.

lol at people that already know how good he is going to be. Didn't know you guys were scouts and could see into the future. impressive.

I'll take Allen if Garrett gone

Originally posted by 49ersforlife4952:
I'll take Allen if Garrett gone

What position do you see Allen playing? To me he seems like a natural DT in a 4-3. If you're suggesting that we switch to a 4-3, how would that impact our personnel? He doesn't seem big enough to play NT and a 3-4 DE at #2, after picking 3-4 DE's in back to back drafts seems folly.

Originally posted by 49ersforlife4952:

I'll take Allen if Garrett gone

Trade back and take Williams, Allen is great but where does u play ? The niners just spent 2 1st round picks on the same position..

Originally posted by NinerBuff:

Originally posted by 49ersforlife4952:

I'll take Allen if Garrett gone

What position do you see Allen playing? To me he seems like a natural DT in a 4-3. If you're suggesting that we switch to a 4-3, how would that impact our personnel? He doesn't seem big enough to play NT and a 3-4 DE at #2, after picking 3-4 DE's in back to back drafts seems folly.

Exactly lol

Originally posted by bzborow1:

Originally posted by Marvin49:

Originally posted by Jax49er:
deshaun wouldn't be an improvement over keeping kaepernick and drafting best available in that spot. Its a ridiculous notion to waste the pick on a QB considering there are no potential HOF QBs in the draft.

/thread

yeah...not /thread.

You have no idea if Deshaun would be an improvement and we have no idea if there are HOF QBs in this class. Most HOF QBs weren't considered HOF prospects in the draft when they were taken. Thats a ludicrous statement.

The only question to answer is how you think his chances of being a good player stack up against the other players you can take at that spot. There is a good argument to be had that the other players have bette potential, but don't give this "no HOF prospects" BS.

Brady. Wilson. Rodgers.

ACTIVE QBs who were not considered HOF QB prospects. Brady a 6th round pick. Wilson too short. Third round. Rodgers a product of Jeff Tedford and those guys ALWAYS bust.

LOL.

Don't forget Joe Montana. I see Watson somewhere in the vicinity of Teddy Bridgewater or Marcus Mariota. The fact he's the best player on the field in a game that features a lot of first round talent really encourages me. Perhaps he's a bust, but he's done everything that has been asked of him so far.

We'll see once the scouts start dissecting all the film, but so far I see an ideal scenario for SF would be to use their 1st rounder on the BPA (WR?) and come back into round 1 for one of the QB's.

I was only quoting QBs who were active and still alive in the playoffs.

Originally posted by jersey49er:

Originally posted by NinerBuff:

Originally posted by 49ersforlife4952:
I'll take Allen if Garrett gone

What position do you see Allen playing? To me he seems like a natural DT in a 4-3. If you're suggesting that we switch to a 4-3, how would that impact our personnel? He doesn't seem big enough to play NT and a 3-4 DE at #2, after picking 3-4 DE's in back to back drafts seems folly.

Exactly lol

Originally posted by NinerBuff:
What position do you see Allen playing? To me he seems like a natural DT in a 4-3. If you're suggesting that we switch to a 4-3, how would that impact our personnel? He doesn't seem big enough to play NT and a 3-4 DE at #2, after picking 3-4 DE's in back to back drafts seems folly.

Moving to the 4-3 makes more sense with this roster. We lack the lbs to play a 3-4 again and I'm including depth as well as starters. The 4-3 and Allen would play to our strength.

Originally posted by jcs:

Originally posted by NinerBuff:
What position do you see Allen playing? To me he seems like a natural DT in a 4-3. If you're suggesting that we switch to a 4-3, how would that impact our personnel? He doesn't seem big enough to play NT and a 3-4 DE at #2, after picking 3-4 DE's in back to back drafts seems folly.

Moving to the 4-3 makes more sense with this roster. We lack the lbs to play a 3-4 again and I'm including depth as well as starters. The 4-3 and Allen would play to our strength.

Ok, i'll take the bait...

Lynch - Armstrong - Allen - Buckner
Armstrong - ?? - Bowman
Robinson - Ward - Reid - Brock

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