DK Metcalf

This is not 1981s NFL

Originally posted by English:

Originally posted by LifelongNiner:

So what was Fred Dean's role?

Um, he didn't play for the Niners in '81 or for quite some time then.

Afce doesn't take into account the great backfield, nor the changing nature of the game. We can pick up receivers, tight ends, whatever, later. A genuine franchise-class edge is rare and hard to come by. Bosa will transform our D.

But he was with the team by the 6th game and they went 10-1 after he joined. That's the majority of the season.

Originally posted by English:

Originally posted by LifelongNiner:

So what was Fred Dean's role?

Um, he didn't play for the Niners in '81 or for quite some time then.

Afce doesn't take into account the great backfield, nor the changing nature of the game. We can pick up receivers, tight ends, whatever, later. A genuine franchise-class edge is rare and hard to come by. Bosa will transform our D.

This I agree with. We are making the same poimt. The great pass rusher puts the D over the top.

Originally posted by LifelongNiner:

Originally posted by English:

Originally posted by LifelongNiner:

So what was Fred Dean's role?

Um, he didn't play for the Niners in '81 or for quite some time then.

Afce doesn't take into account the great backfield, nor the changing nature of the game. We can pick up receivers, tight ends, whatever, later. A genuine franchise-class edge is rare and hard to come by. Bosa will transform our D.

This I agree with. We are making the same poimt. The great pass rusher puts the D over the top.

Yep. The one I really want to watch, assuming we do pick up a really good edge like Bosa, is Buckner. Transformational, I think.

Originally posted by English:
Yep. The one I really want to watch, assuming we do pick up a really good edge like Bosa, is Buckner. Transformational, I think.

Putting a great edge rusher next to a great tackle can be a dynamic force. Remember Cowboy next to Aldon. It makes both guys better since you can't double team 2 guys on one side. I could see 18-20 sacks or more between the two of them.

Little bit of a derailment going on here, I don't think anyone wants to pass on one of the top pass rushers for Metcalf, though with trading involved he's an interesting prospect.

I don't think his route running is refined enough for Kyle, though he does appear to have the traits to get there.

Fred Dean was acquired in 1982 as a free agent out of San Diego. In that year he had 3.5 sacks
in 83 he had 17.5 sacks. The point I was making is that Walsh built his offense first. Then had a top
defensive unit and lastly they added the edge rushers. He highly valued QB, receiver, backs with receiver
skills. The principle parts of our defense were drafted in one year and that was mainly the secondary.

The edge rusher I agree about that their are some that take over games. But lets look at another team
the Pats. Can you name their edge rusher? But we know who their QB is and they always have a top D
(spy gate) type scouting, etc.

Arthur

Originally posted by afce:

Fred Dean was acquired in 1982 as a free agent out of San Diego. In that year he had 3.5 sacks
in 83 he had 17.5 sacks. The point I was making is that Walsh built his offense first. Then had a top
defensive unit and lastly they added the edge rushers. He highly valued QB, receiver, backs with receiver
skills. The principle parts of our defense were drafted in one year and that was mainly the secondary.

The edge rusher I agree about that their are some that take over games. But lets look at another team
the Pats. Can you name their edge rusher? But we know who their QB is and they always have a top D
(spy gate) type scouting, etc.

Arthur

We actually traded for Fred Dean

Remember when teams didn't need an egde rusher because a pterodactyl would take the quarterback's head off clean if they attempted a pass?!?!

Jokes aside, will this guy be healthy for the combine? He's the one player in this draft that could burn down the webzone. It's pretty easy to see on tape that this dude is a freakish athlete. I can envision a Julio Jones-comparable performance at the combine. All of the perennial posters who compare every 6-3, 225 lbs WR in a draft to Julio Jones will finally feel vindicated.

Brace yourselves.

It's going to take a fine package to get this guy. We're talking our 2nd round pick and next year's 1st. At least.

Jumping from ~#34 to the mid-teens is almost impossible. If he gets to #20 we could
do what we did with Foster and just call every team that's picking.

Originally posted by Fanaticofnfl:

It's going to take a fine package to get this guy. We're talking our 2nd round pick and next year's 1st. At least.

Jumping from ~#34 to the mid-teens is almost impossible. If he gets to #20 we could
do what we did with Foster and just call every team that's picking.

Mid-teen, you're probably right, you never know. The Eric Reid trade wasn't nearly as costly as I though it should've been.

Originally posted by strickac:

Originally posted by Fanaticofnfl:

It's going to take a fine package to get this guy. We're talking our 2nd round pick and next year's 1st. At least.

Jumping from ~#34 to the mid-teens is almost impossible. If he gets to #20 we could
do what we did with Foster and just call every team that's picking.

Mid-teen, you're probably right, you never know. The Eric Reid trade wasn't nearly as costly as I though it should've been.

I want us to do a Bears with Mack, bet on ourselves, give up pick #34 and next year's 1st rounder, for a pick in the teens and their 2nd rounder for next year.

The better we do next year the less of a difference in the picks.

Originally posted by afce:
Fred Dean was acquired in 1982 as a free agent out of San Diego. In that year he had 3.5 sacks
in 83 he had 17.5 sacks. The point I was making is that Walsh built his offense first. Then had a top
defensive unit and lastly they added the edge rushers. He highly valued QB, receiver, backs with receiver
skills. The principle parts of our defense were drafted in one year and that was mainly the secondary.

The edge rusher I agree about that their are some that take over games. But lets look at another team
the Pats. Can you name their edge rusher? But we know who their QB is and they always have a top D
(spy gate) type scouting, etc.

Arthur

I wouldn't use the Pats as a model. Besides having arguably the greatest QB of all time, they also have one of the greatest football minds ever in Bill Belichek. Who do we have? I'll take the great pass rusher.

Originally posted by 49erBigMac:

I want us to do a Bears with Mack, bet on ourselves, give up pick #34 and next year's 1st rounder, for a pick in the teens and their 2nd rounder for next year.

The better we do next year the less of a difference in the picks.

Heck no. You do something like that for proven NFL talent. Not someone who might be good.