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Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:
How much time does it actually take to heavily scout Murray? They are "heavily scouting" a lot of players. I do believe that they genuinely like Murray but won't accept pennies on the dollar for Rosen either.

I think they'll listen to offers on Rosen but unless someone comes strong with a good offer, it'll be a matter of weighing keeping Rosen+adding Bosa versus just adding Murray and I think Keim will have a hard time dumping a QB he picked a year ago along with missing out on a legit difference maker on defense.

All the people that like Bosa seem to love to act like Bosa is suddenly trash when it comes to why Arizona wouldn't just stand pat and draft him.

Not at all(at least from me) I just think for us Bosa makes a ton of sense given our current roster. I think the same makes sense for QW for Arizona if they weren't taking Murray and staying at 1.

32nd vs the run. Chandler Jones already there, Terrell Suggs signed in FA, good edge rusher class.

I don't think Bosa is a great fit at 3-4. QW gives them a beast who fits that D better than Bosa IMO. IMO if they take Bosa it's more to spite us vs taking the guy who helps their roster the most.
Originally posted by genus49:
Not at all(at least from me) I just think for us Bosa makes a ton of sense given our current roster. I think the same makes sense for QW for Arizona if they weren't taking Murray and staying at 1.

32nd vs the run. Chandler Jones already there, Terrell Suggs signed in FA, good edge rusher class.

I don't think Bosa is a great fit at 3-4. QW gives them a beast who fits that D better than Bosa IMO. IMO if they take Bosa it's more to spite us vs taking the guy who helps their roster the most.

Agreed
Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:
How much time does it actually take to heavily scout Murray? They are "heavily scouting" a lot of players. I do believe that they genuinely like Murray but won't accept pennies on the dollar for Rosen either.


I think they'll listen to offers on Rosen but unless someone comes strong with a good offer, it'll be a matter of weighing keeping Rosen+adding Bosa versus just adding Murray and I think Keim will have a hard time dumping a QB he picked a year ago along with missing out on a legit difference maker on defense.



Lots of 49ers fans that really love Bosa seem to like to act like Bosa is suddenly trash when it comes to why Arizona wouldn't just stand pat and draft him.

It's simple QB >>> over any position in any sport. You can't tell me your gonna pass on a guy that could be Wilson/Vick because you drafted tannehill.

s**t changes in a yr, no one thought Kliff was gonna be coaching AZ this time last yr....they gave up a couple 3rd day picks to take a chance on hitting on that position with Rosen. They didn't love him to the pt of moving all the way up to 4. He wasn't even their top QB on their draft board reportedly.

Throw in it's also been talked about that Rosen has rubbed people the wrong way in that locker room and isn't all in about being a cardinal...move him for some picks and get your qb that your splashy HC hire has wanted for yrs...you hit on that it's a game changer for 10+ yrs.
[ Edited by NYniner85 on Apr 8, 2019 at 8:20 AM ]
Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:
How much time does it actually take to heavily scout Murray? They are "heavily scouting" a lot of players. I do believe that they genuinely like Murray but won't accept pennies on the dollar for Rosen either.


I think they'll listen to offers on Rosen but unless someone comes strong with a good offer, it'll be a matter of weighing keeping Rosen+adding Bosa versus just adding Murray and I think Keim will have a hard time dumping a QB he picked a year ago along with missing out on a legit difference maker on defense.



Lots of 49ers fans that really love Bosa seem to like to act like Bosa is suddenly trash when it comes to why Arizona wouldn't just stand pat and draft him.

If Rosen is your guy you don't scout Murray. Have you noticed how much time we've spent with Murray and Haskins? It's because we like our qb.

If your org sees Murray as a better prospect than Rosen what you get for Rosen is secondary. Your concern is upgrading at qb 1st, getting value for Rosen 2nd.
Originally posted by tjd808185:
If Rosen is your guy you don't scout Murray. Have you noticed how much time we've spent with Murray and Haskins? It's because we like our qb.

If your org sees Murray as a better prospect than Rosen what you get for Rosen is secondary. Your concern is upgrading at qb 1st, getting value for Rosen 2nd.

Yup, I keep throwing out the 2016 draft. Titans had the #1 pick and drafted Marcus the yr prior...they didn't spend any time working out QBs, didn't say Marcus is our QB "for now", didn't say Marcus knows "it's a business" etc.

there wasn't a massive amount of reports saying Marcus is gonna get moved...I'd bet money they'd squash that s**t because he was their FQB.

No f**king way AZ let's all this crap run through the media if they truly think Rosen their FQB.
[ Edited by NYniner85 on Apr 8, 2019 at 8:22 AM ]
Can someone explain to me the reason for QW being rated so highly? Serious question. I'm a casual fan not a draftnik. I saw the CFB NC game and was very impressed with Clelin Ferrell of Clemson who was a star. Didn't see much of QW but again I'm no expert.

Here on WZ everybody talks QW as #2 pick overall. I'm trying to understand why. Thanks.
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Originally posted by VaBeachNiner:
Originally posted by mayo49:
Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:
18 days until Quinnen Williams is a 49er!


Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:
How much time does it actually take to heavily scout Murray? They are "heavily scouting" a lot of players. I do believe that they genuinely like Murray but won't accept pennies on the dollar for Rosen either.

I think they'll listen to offers on Rosen but unless someone comes strong with a good offer, it'll be a matter of weighing keeping Rosen+adding Bosa versus just adding Murray and I think Keim will have a hard time dumping a QB he picked a year ago along with missing out on a legit difference maker on defense.

Lots of 49ers fans that really love Bosa seem to like to act like Bosa is suddenly trash when it comes to why Arizona wouldn't just stand pat and draft him.

wrong. Fans of Bosa are worried the Cards would pick him because he is the BPA and not their biggest need. So they argue Quinnen Williams is not only just as good a player, but also fits their roster better.
Originally posted by NYniner85:
Originally posted by tjd808185:
Fangio would love a guy like Allen. To me he seems like Brooks, Leonard Floyd. Your 3-4 coverage/ blitz lb/ can nickel rush.

But for us I think he's a 2nd tier choice. Perhaps if you trade down.

Agreed.

Yup.
Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:
18 days until Quinnen Williams is a 49er!

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Originally posted by Giedi:
Originally posted by VaBeachNiner:
Originally posted by mayo49:
Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:
18 days until Quinnen Williams is a 49er!



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Lol this
Originally posted by CardinalGold:
Can someone explain to me the reason for QW being rated so highly? Serious question. I'm a casual fan not a draftnik. I saw the CFB NC game and was very impressed with Clelin Ferrell of Clemson who was a star. Didn't see much of QW but again I'm no expert.

Here on WZ everybody talks QW as #2 pick overall. I'm trying to understand why. Thanks.

Initially, I didn't get the hype for guys like Williams (and Oliver). But, he began to remind me of BY (in some sense). IMO he has a good combination of athleticism and technique that allows him to maintain his gap responsibilities, but quickly transition to the attack when he sees daylight. I think the latter is hard to find.

Then, there is the thought that Buckner + Williams could be as dominant as Stubblefield and Young were.

And, there's also reports (who knows how true) that Lynch and Peters love Williams. I would assume they see similarities to Reuben Foster - someone who can be the heartbeat of the defense. Supposedly Williams is very good with tape and is great in the locker room.

As to whether SF takes him, we can only guess.
Originally posted by CardinalGold:
Can someone explain to me the reason for QW being rated so highly? Serious question. I'm a casual fan not a draftnik. I saw the CFB NC game and was very impressed with Clelin Ferrell of Clemson who was a star. Didn't see much of QW but again I'm no expert.

Here on WZ everybody talks QW as #2 pick overall. I'm trying to understand why. Thanks.

Here's a good video on QW


Much like what is said in the video, you'll hear from others as well. QW literally has no weaknesses in his game.

I would prefer to have him and Buckner man the inside of our DLine for years to come, than get another edge rusher. Especially since we just signed Dee Ford.
Originally posted by genus49:
Not at all(at least from me) I just think for us Bosa makes a ton of sense given our current roster. I think the same makes sense for QW for Arizona if they weren't taking Murray and staying at 1.
Its been reported repeatedly here that the Cardinals see Bosa as BPA. If it isn't a tradedown or Murray, then it'll most likely be Bosa.


32nd vs the run. Chandler Jones already there, Terrell Suggs signed in FA, good edge rusher class.

If the 49ers had signed Suggs to a one year deal instead, would you be arguing that they should pass on Bosa? Suggs is an Arizona guy, he's maintained a home out here for over a decade. He was on a snap count with Baltimore last year. At this point in his career he is a rotational piece, just another guy coming to Arizona to retire. His signing isn't going to change their draft strategy at all.


I don't think Bosa is a great fit at 3-4. QW gives them a beast who fits that D better than Bosa IMO. IMO if they take Bosa it's more to spite us vs taking the guy who helps their roster the most.

This is one argument that I don't buy.

The Cardinals will be running the same scheme on defense as Denver did last year when they used an early 1st rounder on Bradley Chubb despite having Von Miller at edge. They utilized both those guys successfully. Chubb had a monster season as a rookie and was rarely dropping into coverage. There is no reason why Vance Joseph couldn't use Bosa in a similar fashion and play him and Chandler Jones together. Joey Bosa played in a similar defensive scheme during his first year in the NFL.

The reasoning behind drafting Bosa that has been used out here is that Chandler Jones is 29 years old. He's likely not going to be getting any better and you can pair him and Bosa together for a few years and later move on from Jones with Bosa stepping into his role.

I think ultimately the Cardinals are begging someone, anyone to to trade up with them and give them more picks, whether its the Raiders for Murray or the 49ers for Bosa, they seem to much prefer to tradedown and if that is true, then at least on some level I think they are content with Rosen as QBOTF. When push comes to shove, I think Keim does the least imaginative thing and simply stands pat and takes Bosa. They can sell it to the fans as getting the top player in the draft, a defensive gamechanger while most fans think Kingsbury will have the Midas touch when it comes to the offense anyways.
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