Quinnen Williams, DT Alabama

Where my Phoenix bump for QW being drafted by us?

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by CorvaNinerFan:

Buckner has yet to play alongside a true stud...QW's that guy. Despite having mediocre NT play, DB's put up some pretty impressive numbers and they've improved each season. Willliams and Buckner can wreak some real havoc...which is why Lynch needs to draft the former.

Buckner has also yet to play alongside an even a difference maker at DE. That's more important to his success than another strong DT. When you're weak on the outside teams will target that. Even with a nice push up the middle QBs can roll to the weak sides.

If we bring in Bosa it makes the whole DL very difficult to plan against. We'd be strong on the outside and while maybe not AS strong on the interior it would certainly be one of the better interior pass rush teams in the game.

You don't take a guy #2 overall to have him basically hold up double teams.

Why on earth do you think that QW's main role would be to eat double teams? His role would obviously be to wreck sh*t inside and cause havoc.

Now if a team decides that he's so good to warrant double teaming every snap, then Buck and Ford will be All Pros, some fans might moan, but every football guy would know that Quinnen was behind it all.

The kid is a monster, I personally think highly enough of Bosa to pass, but there is absolutely no one else I consider worthy of missing this guy.

Not Allen, not Burns and certainly not Solomon Thomas or Arik Armstead.

Originally posted by 49erBigMac:

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by CorvaNinerFan:
Buckner has yet to play alongside a true stud...QW's that guy. Despite having mediocre NT play, DB's put up some pretty impressive numbers and they've improved each season. Willliams and Buckner can wreak some real havoc...which is why Lynch needs to draft the former.

Buckner has also yet to play alongside an even a difference maker at DE. That's more important to his success than another strong DT. When you're weak on the outside teams will target that. Even with a nice push up the middle QBs can roll to the weak sides.

If we bring in Bosa it makes the whole DL very difficult to plan against. We'd be strong on the outside and while maybe not AS strong on the interior it would certainly be one of the better interior pass rush teams in the game.

You don't take a guy #2 overall to have him basically hold up double teams.

Why on earth do you think that QW's main role would be to eat double teams? His role would obviously be to wreck sh*t inside and cause havoc.

Now if a team decides that he's so good to warrant double teaming every snap, then Buck and Ford will be All Pros, some fans might moan, but every football guy would know that Quinnen was behind it all.

The kid is a monster, I personally think highly enough of Bosa to pass, but there is absolutely no one else I consider worthy of missing this guy.

Not Allen, not Burns and certainly not Solomon Thomas or Arik Armstead.

I was responding to the post which to me reads like QW would allow Buckner to just do his thing. That reads as someone who is more likely to hold double teams vs shooting the gap and going to town.

I love QW. If our roster wasn't full of guys who I think are better fits at inside and we didn't have Buckner then hell yeah I'm all about Williams. And if we take him with Bosa on the board I'll be bummed out but not upset because he is a great player.

But Q isn't Donald. The guys expecting that IMO are putting something on the kid that's not fair. QW to me is a Suh like player. Someone who rarely goes backwards and has moments of brilliance and yes Buckner and Q in the middle would be amazing...but when you play them both in non pass rush situations who gets to feast? Both can't shoot inside trying to make the splash play or we get gashed like the Rams do with Donald being as beast mode as he is.

Maybe i'm overthinking it but I think the state or our roster you want Q to be the guy making the splash plays if you take him at 2. With Buckner there I'm not sure he'd be the one doing it...so whether Q or Buckner someone is gonna have to lose some of that flash. I'd be ok with it but I know how this board works. If a #2 pick isn't getting 10+ sacks as a starter then we f*cked up.

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by 49erBigMac:

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by CorvaNinerFan:

Buckner has yet to play alongside a true stud...QW's that guy. Despite having mediocre NT play, DB's put up some pretty impressive numbers and they've improved each season. Willliams and Buckner can wreak some real havoc...which is why Lynch needs to draft the former.

Buckner has also yet to play alongside an even a difference maker at DE. That's more important to his success than another strong DT. When you're weak on the outside teams will target that. Even with a nice push up the middle QBs can roll to the weak sides.

If we bring in Bosa it makes the whole DL very difficult to plan against. We'd be strong on the outside and while maybe not AS strong on the interior it would certainly be one of the better interior pass rush teams in the game.

You don't take a guy #2 overall to have him basically hold up double teams.

Why on earth do you think that QW's main role would be to eat double teams? His role would obviously be to wreck sh*t inside and cause havoc.

Now if a team decides that he's so good to warrant double teaming every snap, then Buck and Ford will be All Pros, some fans might moan, but every football guy would know that Quinnen was behind it all.

The kid is a monster, I personally think highly enough of Bosa to pass, but there is absolutely no one else I consider worthy of missing this guy.

Not Allen, not Burns and certainly not Solomon Thomas or Arik Armstead.

I was responding to the post which to me reads like QW would allow Buckner to just do his thing. That reads as someone who is more likely to hold double teams vs shooting the gap and going to town.

I love QW. If our roster wasn't full of guys who I think are better fits at inside and we didn't have Buckner then hell yeah I'm all about Williams. And if we take him with Bosa on the board I'll be bummed out but not upset because he is a great player.

But Q isn't Donald. The guys expecting that IMO are putting something on the kid that's not fair. QW to me is a Suh like player. Someone who rarely goes backwards and has moments of brilliance and yes Buckner and Q in the middle would be amazing...but when you play them both in non pass rush situations who gets to feast? Both can't shoot inside trying to make the splash play or we get gashed like the Rams do with Donald being as beast mode as he is.

Maybe i'm overthinking it but I think the state or our roster you want Q to be the guy making the splash plays if you take him at 2. With Buckner there I'm not sure he'd be the one doing it...so whether Q or Buckner someone is gonna have to lose some of that flash. I'd be ok with it but I know how this board works. If a #2 pick isn't getting 10+ sacks as a starter then we f*cked up.

You are massively overthinking it. QW is a bonafide stud, he's a better prospect than Donald, Buck and I think Suh, maybe Suh as a Senior was a better college player, but QW as RS Soph is a better prospect.

Who cares about how this board works, they are gameplan wreckers, just get the best players.

Whoever else we add on the DL, how are they all going to get 15 sacks? That's not how it works, there's only one QB to hit, they'll share it around.

Originally posted by genus49:

I was responding to the post which to me reads like QW would allow Buckner to just do his thing. That reads as someone who is more likely to hold double teams vs shooting the gap and going to town.

I love QW. If our roster wasn't full of guys who I think are better fits at inside and we didn't have Buckner then hell yeah I'm all about Williams. And if we take him with Bosa on the board I'll be bummed out but not upset because he is a great player.

But Q isn't Donald. The guys expecting that IMO are putting something on the kid that's not fair. QW to me is a Suh like player. Someone who rarely goes backwards and has moments of brilliance and yes Buckner and Q in the middle would be amazing...but when you play them both in non pass rush situations who gets to feast? Both can't shoot inside trying to make the splash play or we get gashed like the Rams do with Donald being as beast mode as he is.

Maybe i'm overthinking it but I think the state or our roster you want Q to be the guy making the splash plays if you take him at 2. With Buckner there I'm not sure he'd be the one doing it...so whether Q or Buckner someone is gonna have to lose some of that flash. I'd be ok with it but I know how this board works. If a #2 pick isn't getting 10+ sacks as a starter then we f*cked up.

Agreed and Donald would not be Donald if he was playing nose 60% of the time. I'd be all about Q if we could play him like Sapp all game but it's not the case. We're going to be asking him to eat the doubles and while I'm sure he'll improve the line we got better options.

Originally posted by Cisco0623:

Where my Phoenix bump for QW being drafted by us?

14 days until Quinnen Williams is a 49er!

Originally posted by genus49:
Buckner has also yet to play alongside an even a difference maker at DE. That's more important to his success than another strong DT. When you're weak on the outside teams will target that. Even with a nice push up the middle QBs can roll to the weak sides.

If we bring in Bosa it makes the whole DL very difficult to plan against. We'd be strong on the outside and while maybe not AS strong on the interior it would certainly be one of the better interior pass rush teams in the game.

You don't take a guy #2 overall to have him basically hold up double teams.

I get the concern. But Buck eats up a lot of double teams now, so if they double QW, that means Buck is 1v1 all day
Also, QW was doubled constantly at 'Bama, that's a big part of who he is, and he excels as splitting double-teams.
I definitely agree that Edge is a bigger need, but don't act like QW+Buck together would not give opposing offenses fits.

Originally posted by tjd808185:

Agreed and Donald would not be Donald if he was playing nose 60% of the time. I'd be all about Q if we could play him like Sapp all game but it's not the case. We're going to be asking him to eat the doubles and while I'm sure he'll improve the line we got better options.

Why does that matter? He is a game changer, it doesn't matter how or where it comes from.

Sapp 60% of the time Wilfork the other, what's wrong with that?

Originally posted by 49erBigMac:
Why does that matter? He is a game changer, it doesn't matter how it where he comes from.

Sapp 60% of the time Wilfork the other, what's wrong with that?

Well said.
Plus, there are possible future scenarios that factor into the BAP-philosophy:
Injuries happen, creating unanticipated needs.
Maybe Buck commands too much money for us to keep him long-term?
Maybe we fire Saleh next year and bring in a 3-4 DC, then our line would look like QW, DJ Jones, Buck...

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:

Originally posted by Cisco0623:
Where my Phoenix bump for QW being drafted by us?

14 days until Quinnen Williams is a 49er!

Bosa.

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:

Originally posted by Cisco0623:

Where my Phoenix bump for QW being drafted by us?

14 days until Quinnen Williams is a 49er!

Originally posted by mayo49:

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:

Originally posted by Cisco0623:

Where my Phoenix bump for QW being drafted by us?

14 days until Quinnen Williams is a 49er!

Bosa.

He's getting you all prepared for a realistic plan B.

Originally posted by mayo49:

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:

Originally posted by Cisco0623:
Where my Phoenix bump for QW being drafted by us?

14 days until Quinnen Williams is a 49er!

Bosa.

Bro if you're going to keep slapping me like that, we're going to have take this outside.

Originally posted by Cisco0623:
He's getting you all prepared for a realistic plan B.

Just Plan B?

Williams is Plan A, B, AND C!

Originally posted by Cisco0623:

Originally posted by mayo49:

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:

Originally posted by Cisco0623:
Where my Phoenix bump for QW being drafted by us?

14 days until Quinnen Williams is a 49er!

Bosa.

He's getting you all prepared for a realistic plan B.

He's going to jinx it.