Justin Fields QB - Ohio State

I think there really is no definitive evidence on who we are taking at this point. The only thing to go by is Kyle and Lynch went to Alabama's Pro Day over Ohio States on the same day. Now does that more point to Mac being the favorite? Yes... But there is also the possibility they love Fields so much they do not want anyone to know how much and risk him being taken before them. While less likely, they could also like them both very Equally and still be deciding who they are going to take. If I had to bet I would bet on Mac based on the only piece of evidence we have been given so far.

I think Shefter simply played the odds. Mac fits our system, Very similar to QBs that Kyle has had success with in the past, and the guy whose Pro Day Kyle chose to go to over the guy who many believed to be the third QB taken. In the end, we might not have any clue who we will be drafting until it is announced on draft day.

Originally posted by JoseCortez:
This is where the niners draft jones and Maddog gives them an f

Originally posted by Bloodless:
I think there really is no definitive evidence on who we are taking at this point. The only thing to go by is Kyle and Lynch went to Alabama's Pro Day over Ohio States on the same day. Now does that more point to Mac being the favorite? Yes... But there is also the possibility they love Fields so much they do not want anyone to know how much and risk him being taken before them. While less likely, they could also like them both very Equally and still be deciding who they are going to take. If I had to bet I would bet on Mac based on the only piece of evidence we have been given so far.

I think Shefter simply played the odds. Mac fits our system, Very similar to QBs that Kyle has had success with in the past, and the guy whose Pro Day Kyle chose to go to over the guy who many believed to be the third QB taken. In the end, we might not have any clue who we will be drafting until it is announced on draft day.

Ummmm negative sir on the Mac Jones pro day narrative.

Kyle went to that pro day because it was the second and last of Alabama's pro days and Fields' agent said they would hold a second pro day at a later date so Kyle could attend in person. That is why they chose Mac's pro day, not because it points to Mac being their favorite. So this is not a piece of evidence in Mac's favor. The only evidence in his favor is that he fits the QB mold that Kyle has liked in the past and fits the system.

That's it.

Originally posted by Bloodless:
I think there really is no definitive evidence on who we are taking at this point. The only thing to go by is Kyle and Lynch went to Alabama's Pro Day over Ohio States on the same day. Now does that more point to Mac being the favorite? Yes... But there is also the possibility they love Fields so much they do not want anyone to know how much and risk him being taken before them. While less likely, they could also like them both very Equally and still be deciding who they are going to take. If I had to bet I would bet on Mac based on the only piece of evidence we have been given so far.

I think Shefter simply played the odds. Mac fits our system, Very similar to QBs that Kyle has had success with in the past, and the guy whose Pro Day Kyle chose to go to over the guy who many believed to be the third QB taken. In the end, we might not have any clue who we will be drafting until it is announced on draft day.

The 49ers believe it or not aren't stupid nor do they make rash decisions. They're very calculated and especially when it comes to the worth of draft pick capital and team budgeting

You don't do this expensive trade this far out from the draft UNLESS you know you have to get to three to beat out MULTIPLE teams that wanted to get there

Now it comes down to who were you competing against a significant portion of the league for? I'm telling you it ain't Mac Jones. This was for Justin Fields type talent that other clubs were salivating over that we had to move up this high this far in advance of the draft to get

You don't do something this extreme unless you know that doing a draft day deal was not gonna cut it

I am just not seeing that many clubs are tripping over themselves for a talent like Mac. So Kyle went to Alabama's pro day. I'm sure there's tons of NFL prospects there to look at. What've we got like 9 picks or something?

They are gonna pick Fields or at least someone in his league. Mac ain't it. He ain't worth doing a month out deal for three firsts. Last I heard he wasn't the second coming of Peyton Manning or a sure thing can't miss prospect

This deal was done for a major league talent like Justin Fields

Originally posted by Ezekiel38:
Ummmm negative sir on the Mac Jones pro day narrative.

Kyle went to that pro day because it was the second and last of Alabama's pro days and Fields' agent said they would hold a second pro day at a later date so Kyle could attend in person. That is why they chose Mac's pro day, not because it points to Mac being their favorite. So this is not a piece of evidence in Mac's favor. The only evidence in his favor is that he fits the QB mold that Kyle has liked in the past and fits the system.

That's it.

Plus if it's Alabama's pro day and we have like 9 picks shouldn't we go to a pro player farm like Alabama to not only look at Mac but then look at ALL the Bama players we are interested in especially under the cover that we're primarily there for Mac.? That actually makes for a pretty good cover I would say

You guys can try to downplay it.... The fact is Mac and Fields Pro days were being held the same day and Kyle was at Macs. That is a tangible piece of evidence not built on pure speculation and IMO the only one at this point. People can make excuses as to why he was at Mac's Pro day and not Fields. Maybe, those excuses are correct. But that would be just peoples opinion and speculation. I am not saying for sure Mac will be the pick. Just that if I was trying to look at what signs I have been given that is a pretty big sign.

Originally posted by BSofSF:

Originally posted by MadDog49er:
Hello, Zone! Been forever.

Had a few minutes to drop in and say hi! Hope all of you are well.

I think the Niners are all-in on Fields. I would be shocked if he is not the selection at 3. Once the Jets seem to lock into Wilson (wouldn't be surprised if Saleh directly related that info to Kyle), the Niners made that move to number 3, and that wouldn't make sense for them to make the selection with Jones. It is such of a massive move for a guy with limited upside. Spectacular moves like this usually point to special talents with gigantic ceilings. My guess is that Kyle has been watching Fields for years waiting for the shot to grab him.

I have been been watching QBs, and this is my ranking:
1. Lawrence- The safest, cleanest prospect. Does NOT have have the highest potential ceiling, but he is good at everything.
2. Fields- There are some things to clean up, but he is a terrific talent with unlimited potential.
3. Wilson- He is spectacular when the pocket is clean. He has special talent. But, he faced so little pressure this year (almost anyone could have posted remarkable numbers with the pass protection we saw at BYU this year) that he is an incomplete prospect to me. The times he faced pressure, he struggled. The guys ranked above him on my board have faced pressure before, and we know what they can do. Wilson is a tremendous talent. I just don't know how he will fare when he has consistent NFL pressure in his face.
4. Lance- Raw as sushi. He needs so much work to do to become an NFL QB. At times, it was painful to watch him. He is so crazy athletic, and moves so well. He is going to run for a million yards. But, his throwing motion needs a ton of work. In fact, it needs a complete overhaul. Accuracy a major issue. I hear he is super intelligent and a hard-worker, but this guy is not going to start a game for 2 years. I'd be shocked if he is the pick at 3. Thinking he might be the pick at 4, where he can be stashed for 2 years under Ryan.
5. Jones- Alabama's play-calling and scheme simply overwhelmed college defenses, and having 6 or more NFL first and second day picks on offense this year made life very easy for him. I just don't see the enormous potential of the first four guys. I think his athleticism is a bit too criticized. He is NOT a statue as some suggest. But, just limited in arm strength, and dynamic play compared to the top four guys limit his ability to be a superstar player in the NFL.

Seriously? Fields' potential is unlimited? There is nothing he cannot do? How about the games against Indiana, Northwestern and Alabama where he was struggling with inaccuracy, holding on to the ball, getting sacked, and chucking up Garoppolo-like inexplicable picks that made him look pretty ordinary. There is a reason his stock went down a little this year. I mean, the guy is clearly very talented, but to say his potential is unlimited, to me, is a red flag in the analysis and the same thing we hear every draft from some hot prospect's PR machine. Fields' potential looks similar to Cam Newton's, who was much more heavily hyped and universally hailed as the second coming. Newton's ceiling proved to be pretty darn high and he met a lot of the hype, leading his team to a Super Bowl, but ultimately he was not quite as invincible as the hype and most would have to say his career has been a disappointment with zero Super Bowl titles. Would you say Fields is regarded as a better prospect than Newton when he came out?

Agree on the fact that Fields isnt a perfect QB. That belongs to Lawrence. Otherwise Fields would be #1 pick.

All three (Fields, Mac, Lance) have deficits. But any of the three plus our Genius coach will be able to dominate the NFC West, i think, as long as Kyle has confidence in the guy he picks.

Clearly Kyle's lost confidence in Jimmy's ability to be available- otherwise there would be no trade to #3. I like Fields, but I think Kyle is locked in on Mac. (Yeah I'm buying the smokescreen ).

Originally posted by Bloodless:
You guys can try to downplay it.... The fact is Mac and Fields Pro days were being held the same day and Kyle was at Macs. That is a tangible piece of evidence not built on pure speculation and IMO the only one at this point. People can make excuses as to why he was at Mac's Pro day and not Fields. Maybe, those excuses are correct. But that would be just peoples opinion and speculation. I am not saying for sure Mac will be the pick. Just that if I was trying to look at what signs I have been given that is a pretty big sign.

JL and KS had already got confirmation from Field's agent on that day that he'll have a 2nd pro day. Only makes sense for JL and KS to attend Alabama's pro day on that day since other top prospects such as Smith, Waddle and Harris who didn't participated in the first pro day were on hand for that day, Niners were reportedly meeting with Harris on a regular before the big trade, maybe they wanted to see him a little bit more to see if it's worth to trade back up for him. Who knows? But it's killing two birds with one stone. It was also Jones 2nd pro day and I doubt he'll go for a 3rd one. You have to take in consideration the players who will be available to catch balls too. I doubt Waddle and Smith would come back again for a 2nd time to run routes for Jones, their draft stock is already set in stone and don't need to prove anything more and risk injuries. It could also be a smokescreen move. Smokescreen season is in full progress.

Originally posted by Bloodless:
You guys can try to downplay it.... The fact is Mac and Fields Pro days were being held the same day and Kyle was at Macs. That is a tangible piece of evidence not built on pure speculation and IMO the only one at this point. People can make excuses as to why he was at Mac's Pro day and not Fields. Maybe, those excuses are correct. But that would be just peoples opinion and speculation. I am not saying for sure Mac will be the pick. Just that if I was trying to look at what signs I have been given that is a pretty big sign.

We tend to lack a little common sense, when we really like a prospect. We all do this from time to time.

this is a perfect example of that.

It's not the deep, before the presser (and Mac/fields' pro days) they asked Fields agent for a second pro day. They KNEW he was having one and this was the only shot that they had to see Jones in person. Dats it. They didn't go to Jones' 1st pro day either.

at this point if they were 100% taking Mac, there's no reason to go to Fields or Lance's 2nd pro day....I mean SF asked for those 2nd days! You don't do that if you're not interested in a player....if I'm their agent, I'm not throwing them out there again (after having great 1st pro days and no 2nd one scheduled) unless the team requesting is seriously interested.

I won't be shocked if SF requests certain throws from both Lance and Fields' at their pro days. This is basically their vision of a private workout.

Originally posted by BSofSF:

Originally posted by MadDog49er:
Hello, Zone! Been forever.

Had a few minutes to drop in and say hi! Hope all of you are well.

I think the Niners are all-in on Fields. I would be shocked if he is not the selection at 3. Once the Jets seem to lock into Wilson (wouldn't be surprised if Saleh directly related that info to Kyle), the Niners made that move to number 3, and that wouldn't make sense for them to make the selection with Jones. It is such of a massive move for a guy with limited upside. Spectacular moves like this usually point to special talents with gigantic ceilings. My guess is that Kyle has been watching Fields for years waiting for the shot to grab him.

I have been been watching QBs, and this is my ranking:
1. Lawrence- The safest, cleanest prospect. Does NOT have have the highest potential ceiling, but he is good at everything.
2. Fields- There are some things to clean up, but he is a terrific talent with unlimited potential.
3. Wilson- He is spectacular when the pocket is clean. He has special talent. But, he faced so little pressure this year (almost anyone could have posted remarkable numbers with the pass protection we saw at BYU this year) that he is an incomplete prospect to me. The times he faced pressure, he struggled. The guys ranked above him on my board have faced pressure before, and we know what they can do. Wilson is a tremendous talent. I just don't know how he will fare when he has consistent NFL pressure in his face.
4. Lance- Raw as sushi. He needs so much work to do to become an NFL QB. At times, it was painful to watch him. He is so crazy athletic, and moves so well. He is going to run for a million yards. But, his throwing motion needs a ton of work. In fact, it needs a complete overhaul. Accuracy a major issue. I hear he is super intelligent and a hard-worker, but this guy is not going to start a game for 2 years. I'd be shocked if he is the pick at 3. Thinking he might be the pick at 4, where he can be stashed for 2 years under Ryan.
5. Jones- Alabama's play-calling and scheme simply overwhelmed college defenses, and having 6 or more NFL first and second day picks on offense this year made life very easy for him. I just don't see the enormous potential of the first four guys. I think his athleticism is a bit too criticized. He is NOT a statue as some suggest. But, just limited in arm strength, and dynamic play compared to the top four guys limit his ability to be a superstar player in the NFL.

Seriously? Fields' potential is unlimited? There is nothing he cannot do? How about the games against Indiana, Northwestern and Alabama where he was struggling with inaccuracy, holding on to the ball, getting sacked, and chucking up Garoppolo-like inexplicable picks that made him look pretty ordinary. There is a reason his stock went down a little this year. I mean, the guy is clearly very talented, but to say his potential is unlimited, to me, is a red flag in the analysis and the same thing we hear every draft from some hot prospect's PR machine. Fields' potential looks similar to Cam Newton's, who was much more heavily hyped and universally hailed as the second coming. Newton's ceiling proved to be pretty darn high and he met a lot of the hype, leading his team to a Super Bowl, but ultimately he was not quite as invincible as the hype and most would have to say his career has been a disappointment with zero Super Bowl titles. Would you say Fields is regarded as a better prospect than Newton when he came out?

What does the BS in your name stand for?

Talk about getting caught up in hyperbole. Pretty certain MD wasn't saying Fields is the Goku of QBs. However his potential is elite.

He's got a terrific arm, one that can probably get even stronger, more accurate and with a cleaner throwing motion.

He's super athletic. He's highly accurate, great leader, smart and tough.

His stock is down because people similar to you overreact to bad tape from a few games vs tough defenses where he tried to do too much or wasn't developed enough at certain things while playing in a season where their team was put through the ringer due to covid. Per one report 300 practices canceled(not sure if that number is accurate given the amount but that's what was said)

So the potential implies he works to correct the issues that popped up - throwing under pressure, improving blitz recognition and beating it, reading the defense, playing less hero ball, not taking big hits.

Those things are much easier to correct in the NFL than learning how to become more accurate, somehow getting your arm from ok to great, getting more athletic and mobile where you can make big plays with your arm or actually avoid a sack if the OL gets beat.

We have a terrific situation for a young QB. If they want it bad enough, they have a track to success. Everything Fields has shown is he definitely wants it. Which is why Dan Orlovsky's comments earlier were bashed the way they were.

It's fields.

one thing I like about him over Lance is that he throws a much more catchable pass IMO. He can throw darts as well as throw passes with touch.

Originally posted by Bloodless:
You guys can try to downplay it.... The fact is Mac and Fields Pro days were being held the same day and Kyle was at Macs. That is a tangible piece of evidence not built on pure speculation and IMO the only one at this point. People can make excuses as to why he was at Mac's Pro day and not Fields. Maybe, those excuses are correct. But that would be just peoples opinion and speculation. I am not saying for sure Mac will be the pick. Just that if I was trying to look at what signs I have been given that is a pretty big sign.

Yeah huge sign...

like the one where Kyle wasn't at Bosa's pro day when we didn't have covid restrictions on how many people can go and we had the 2nd pick in the draft?

I expect the National media to feed into this stupid narrative but not 49er fans.

Originally posted by Giedi:
Agree on the fact that Fields isnt a perfect QB. That belongs to Lawrence. Otherwise Fields would be #1 pick.

All three (Fields, Mac, Lance) have deficits. But any of the three plus our Genius coach will be able to dominate the NFC West, i think, as long as Kyle has confidence in the guy he picks.

Clearly Kyle's lost confidence in Jimmy's ability to be available- otherwise there would be no trade to #3. I like Fields, but I think Kyle is locked in on Mac. (Yeah I'm buying the smokescreen ).

Lawrence has his own issues too. He has some anticipation problems and loves holding onto the ball as well...Him and Jones run a pretty watered down spread offense compared to the other 3.

if it's really health issues only for Jimmy, I don't see how you go for a 6-2 215 non-athletic QB and stick him behind a Shanny built OL who is about speed/movement not anchoring/holding the pocket for a kid like Jones

we will see....I don't see anything different between Jones and Jimmy in SF.

Originally posted by NYniner85:
Lawrence has his own issues too. He has some anticipation problems and loves holding onto the ball as well...Him and Jones run a pretty watered down spread offense compared to the other 3.

if it's really health issues only for Jimmy, I don't see how you go for a 6-2 215 non-athletic QB and stick him behind a Shanny built OL who is about speed/movement not anchoring/holding the pocket for a kid like Jones

we will see....I don't see anything different between Jones and Jimmy in SF.

This. The more I watch of Mac, the less I want to see him here. At least with Jimmy, we have proof that he can succeed.