Dashon Goldson

Originally posted by titan:

Both good.
-Reid is a 1st RD pick so I expected more. I hope he just had a down year, due to different players and timing.
- Goldson puts fear in receivers eyes. Coverage was questionable, but run support was amazing.

So far I'm leaning towards Goldson due to the success of the defense we had when he was here. Reid had a good year also, but Goldsons was an enforcer.

Agree 100%

But to be fair Goldson played with a much better defense , but he wasn't injury prone like Reid

Originally posted by 4everFaithful:

Originally posted by Niners99:

Originally posted by 4everFaithful:

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Originally posted by Niners99:

Originally posted by 4everFaithful:

Originally posted by Niners99:

Originally posted by CityKing415:

Originally posted by 4everFaithful:

Originally posted by Niners99:

Originally posted by 49ersnum1:

Dashon Goldson 2009-2011 was better than Reid has EVER been.... The fact is the jury is still out on Eric Reid, I really thought he would develop into a star, although he did make the pro bowl his rookie year I believe, I haven't seen the maturation yet... Goldson really hasn't been that good since leaving SF so to answer the question... We are better off with Eric Reid moving forward.

lol oh yeah?

Eric Reid PFF total 2013-2014-2015 :

+2.5

Dashon Goldson PFF total 2009-2010-2011 :

-17.6

Lol wow... u really think reid at any point was better than Goldson in his prime? Please bro.... what were u watching??

PFF scores really dont mean s**t IMO watch the games. Goldson was an impact player. Opposing offenses feared him. Reid had just been "ok" at best.

Give me a break. Goldson was a reckless moron who committed stupid penalties every week. He took advantage of an elite front 7 and just hung back and played ball hawk, or just tried to lay a shoulder into someone. He couldnt tackle, and he couldnt cover. Both kind of important skills for a S to possess.

He was SO overrated. All the fans just loved his big hits and his dreads. He got exposed as a fraud the minute he left the Niners.

Remember all those times he got burned because he didnt know his assignent, and Whitner had to explain to him where he should've been?

The only thing opposing players ever "feared" about him was taking a late helmet to helmet shot in a defenseless position.

Reid has been mediocre, but he doesnt hurt us. Goldson killed us with penalties and poor coverage. Its just funny that people still remember Goldson like he was some elite player. I watched every game he ever played as a Niner, and was never fooled by it.

You do realize Goldson had a better yr than Reid this season right?

Nope.

Those are b******t stats..

110 tackles and an INT is better than 71 tackles and no INTs no matter how you try to spin it

Too bad the game isnt that simple. Theres a little more to playing S than tackle totals and number of INT's. Both of which vary based on opportunity.

BTW, I like how you call an accurate scouting system that media outlets, agents, and NFL front offices use "b******t stats", and then use tackle totals and INT's to determine player value.

My friend, I question if you were even a 49ers fan when we had Goldson. In no shape or form is eric reid better than goldson was, im sorry, and he is still arguably worse than goldson is today.. but keep believing what u want, agree to disagree.

If you honestly think Dashon Goldson did more good than harm while he played here, you didnt know what you were watching.

Eric Reid is an average player. Hes not great by any means, but hes a fundamentally sound player. Goldson played like a moron. He sucked at coverage. Thats a fact. He couldnt tackle. Thats a fact. He committed a TON of stupid penalties. Thats a fact. He killed us with his overly aggressive and sloppy style of play, and the PFF scouting numbers back up that opinion. He took advantage of the fact that our D was so good, he had the freedom to hang back and look for people to crush.

He was fun to watch, but he wasnt a good player. -66.0 for his career. Thats says it all.

I just read this and shook my head the whole time lol. Couldn't disagree more... Reid has the potential to be better but I doubt he ever will be

I dont know what to tell you. The numbers speak for themselves.

I still say that it should be obvious to fans that the NFL is trying to phase out 'enforcing' as a way of playing the position. My 'eye test' over the last few years tells me that Reid is faster, recognizes routes quicker and is usually closer to a given receiver than Goldson was. The stats say that last year, Reid was credited with 7 passes defended and Goldson was credited with 3 passes defended.

Goldson was a thumper, Reid is a better more rounded safety when healthy. Also, remember Goldson had a better front seven in front of him at his peak than Reid has had. Which goes back to his original assessment during the draft. Tried to make up for the deficiency of his team mates and made his game suffer.

Reid is soft and slow and creates no turnovers! Zero Turnovers by Reid. That is unheard of for a 49ers Free Safety unless your name is Dana Hall.

Originally posted by ElephantHaley:
Reid is soft and slow and creates no turnovers! Zero Turnovers by Reid. That is unheard of for a 49ers Free Safety unless your name is Dana Hall.

slow? Slower than Goldson? I disagree with 'soft' but that's a matter of opinion - there's no question that Reid is faster.

Originally posted by 4everFaithful:
Those are b******t stats..

110 tackles and an INT is better than 71 tackles and no INTs no matter how you try to spin it

Dumbest thing I've ever heard regarding a safety lol....Goldson was regarded as one of the WORST coverage safeties in the league and a PI machine. Also look at what each player is getting paid....Reid and it's not even close.

There are much much more things that go into a good football player than stats.

Justin Smith's best year with us he had only 8 sacks does that mean he blows?? Devin McCourty is one of the best safeties in the league and had 64 tackles and 1 INT does that mean Goldson is better? T J ward just won a SB and was 10th overall at safety on PFF and had 61 tackles with no INTs would you rather have Goldson over him?

Originally posted by ElephantHaley:
Reid is soft and slow and creates no turnovers! Zero Turnovers by Reid. That is unheard of for a 49ers Free Safety unless your name is Dana Hall.

Everyone on the defense went down a notch after losing 13 starters and having the worst group of coaches in the league...he had 7 INTs in his 1st two seasons. That hit he had on Graham this season didn't look soft at all.

FYI not sure why I'm even bothering talking to you your so bias regarding any Baalke pick that I have to throw you comments out most of the time.

Originally posted by crake49:

Originally posted by ElephantHaley:

Reid is soft and slow and creates no turnovers! Zero Turnovers by Reid. That is unheard of for a 49ers Free Safety unless your name is Dana Hall.

slow? Slower than Goldson? I disagree with 'soft' but that's a matter of opinion - there's no question that Reid is faster.

Reid may have ran a faster 40, but on the field Goldson seems like the faster player, he seems to have much better acceleration

Originally posted by 4everFaithful:
Reid may have ran a faster 40, but on the field Goldson seems like the faster player, he seems to have much better acceleration

We'll have to disagree. Reid almost always looks like he can stay with a receiver to me and I remember having the opposite opinion about Goldson during his last couple years.

Doesn't matter who is better.

Goldson is gone and Reid is average at best. It sure would be nice to have a difference maker/big impact type of guy back there. Especially when considering all the high draft picks used on that position group. Go Baalke!

Originally posted by 4everFaithful:

My friend, I question if you were even a 49ers fan when we had Goldson. In no shape or form is eric reid better than goldson was, im sorry, and he is still arguably worse than goldson is today.. but keep believing what u want, agree to disagree.

Its time to ease up on that puff puff give if you think that Goldson is in anyway a better player than Reid. He looked good when he had a terrific pass rush in front of him but was exposed when leaving the 49ers. Reid has done fine even with a s**t pass rush over the past 2 seasons.

Just a better overall player than Goldson who was great for really big hits and really stupid penalties each game. Players like him are more or less being phased out of the game.

Originally posted by crake49:

I still say that it should be obvious to fans that the NFL is trying to phase out 'enforcing' as a way of playing the position. My 'eye test' over the last few years tells me that Reid is faster, recognizes routes quicker and is usually closer to a given receiver than Goldson was. The stats say that last year, Reid was credited with 7 passes defended and Goldson was credited with 3 passes defended.

The rules are making guys like Goldson relics. Big hitter but often lost in coverage. Meanwhile Whitner, who was clearly the more cerebral player to go along with being a big hitter has continued to play well with the Browns while Goldson has gone off a cliff.



If you remember, Whitner was the guy making calls on the back end and often was visibly showing frustration with Goldson being out of position.


If I need to make a 1980s throwback team, I'll take Goldson....otherwise give me Reid.

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:

Originally posted by crake49:

I still say that it should be obvious to fans that the NFL is trying to phase out 'enforcing' as a way of playing the position. My 'eye test' over the last few years tells me that Reid is faster, recognizes routes quicker and is usually closer to a given receiver than Goldson was. The stats say that last year, Reid was credited with 7 passes defended and Goldson was credited with 3 passes defended.

The rules are making guys like Goldson relics. Big hitter but often lost in coverage. Meanwhile Whitner, who was clearly the more cerebral player to go along with being a big hitter has continued to play well with the Browns while Goldson has gone off a cliff.




If you remember, Whitner was the guy making calls on the back end and often was visibly showing frustration with Goldson being out of position.


If I need to make a 1980s throwback team, I'll take Goldson....otherwise give me Reid.

This just isint true.. Goldson struggled with the buccaneers but he is coming off a tremendous season with the redskins, that is being overlooked by a majority of you