Terrell Owens Thread: Hall of Fame?

Originally posted by qnnhan7:

Steve Mariucci: TO absolutely deserved to be in the HOF

TO: Mariucci you fake ass motherf**ker

TO has lack of papa issues. Once you abandon me emotionally or otherwise. You is never the same in my eyes

The problem with TO is that he creates his own unnessacary drama. He has zero awareness of the actual message people are send for or against him. Vic Carucci mentioned that he talked to many people who worked with TO and the negative heavily outweighed the positive.

Problem with TO is that he didn't care when he threw his team under the bus but had and still has a hissy fit when the favor is returned.

Dude put up his own walls and crashes them down as well. Nutcase.

Originally posted by Quest4six:

Originally posted by Lurker:
... but I personally am glad it hasn't been right away because I don't think that he deserves to get in right away. People who were great players and great teammates are the ones that should get in right away.

I disagree
there are currently people in the HOF who have had legal issues during their time in the NFL which should far outweigh anything TO did
People who get into the HOF should only be judged on their game, not anything else.
We already have the end of the season awards for players who are good people

@Lurker ... will you be singing the same tune next year at this time, if Ray Lewis, become a 1st ballot HOF'er ???

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
its not BS tho, it's the whole reason he doesn't even have better numbers then he has now (because he got himself kicked off good teams)

LOL

The year after he got "kicked off" the 49ers he had: 1200 yards, 13 TDs

The year after he got "kicked off" the Eagles he had: 1180 yards, 12 TDs

The year after he got "kicked off" the Cowboys he had: 829 yards, 5 TDs (at 36 years old with Ryan Fitzpatrick and Trent Edwards as his QBs)

The year after he got "kicked off" the Bills he had: 983 yards, 9 touchdowns

Your implication that his production on his old teams would have exceeded the production he had on his new teams is speculative nonsense. I could see the argument (possibly) about his 36 year old season after departing Dallas being better if he could stay with Romo instead of the trash he had throwing to him in Buffalo. But aside from that, your argument doesnt hold any water at all.

your denial of any criticism of TO has you thinking something entirely different then what i'm saying.

If TO wasn't TO, then his stats would have kept going up if stayed and ended his career in Philly

Originally posted by FlayvaMeister:

Originally posted by Quest4six:

Originally posted by Lurker:
... but I personally am glad it hasn't been right away because I don't think that he deserves to get in right away. People who were great players and great teammates are the ones that should get in right away.

I disagree
there are currently people in the HOF who have had legal issues during their time in the NFL which should far outweigh anything TO did
People who get into the HOF should only be judged on their game, not anything else.
We already have the end of the season awards for players who are good people

@Lurker ... will you be singing the same tune next at this time, if Ray Lewis, become a 1st ballot HOF'er ???

People need to understand that there are 3 areas of evaluation for the Hall: What you did on the field. What you did in the locker room in your interaction with coaches, players and the media, and what you did away from the football life.

It has become clear in numerous cases that the voters hold players to a higher standard of conduct around the locker room than away from the football life. We may not agree with that but it is the way they view it, and that is why Owens is still on the outside looking in.

Ray Lewis will be a good test case, however, we should not be surprised if Lewis does go in first year. He is a very different person now than the one that was allegedly involved in a criminal event over a decade ago.

TO, in comparison, is still the caustic figure IN the football life that voters saw while he was still playing. He needs to shut his mouth and let the dust settle if he wants to get in next year. All this juvenile drama he is creating will only firm opposition to his entry.

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
your denial of any criticism of TO has you thinking something entirely different then what i'm saying.

If TO wasn't TO, then his stats would have kept going up if stayed and ended his career in Philly

Nope. Wrong. Has nothing to do with denying any criticism or thinking differently than what you are saying. All it has to do with is me not being able to help myself for responding to illogical posts....

....such as this one I am currently responding to.

Your claim is that TO's stats would have "kept going up if he stayed and ended his career in Philly." Ok lets address that. So your claim is he would have done even better than:

1180 yards, 13 TDs....
1355 yards, 15 TDs....
1052 yards, 10 TDs....

But, had he stayed in Philly, his stats would have continued to go up and been even better. LOL.

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
your denial of any criticism of TO has you thinking something entirely different then what i'm saying.

If TO wasn't TO, then his stats would have kept going up if stayed and ended his career in Philly

Nope. Wrong. Has nothing to do with denying any criticism or thinking differently than what you are saying. All it has to do with is me not being able to help myself for responding to illogical posts....

....such as this one I am currently responding to.

Your claim is that TO's stats would have "kept going up if he stayed and ended his career in Philly." Ok lets address that. So your claim is he would have done even better than:

1180 yards, 13 TDs....
1355 yards, 15 TDs....
1052 yards, 10 TDs....

But, had he stayed in Philly, his stats would have continued to go up and been even better. LOL.

you're still not getting it

he could have avg those stats every year, if he would have stayed and ended his career in philly. Making his career stats even better

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
your denial of any criticism of TO has you thinking something entirely different then what i'm saying.

If TO wasn't TO, then his stats would have kept going up if stayed and ended his career in Philly

Nope. Wrong. Has nothing to do with denying any criticism or thinking differently than what you are saying. All it has to do with is me not being able to help myself for responding to illogical posts....

....such as this one I am currently responding to.

Your claim is that TO's stats would have "kept going up if he stayed and ended his career in Philly." Ok lets address that. So your claim is he would have done even better than:

1180 yards, 13 TDs....
1355 yards, 15 TDs....
1052 yards, 10 TDs....

But, had he stayed in Philly, his stats would have continued to go up and been even better. LOL.

you're still not getting it

he could have avg those stats every year, if he would have stayed and ended his career in philly. Making his career stats even better

First his stats would have gone up if he stayed in Philly. Now he would have had the same stats if he would have stayed in Philly, and yet somehow that would have made his career stats better?

I'm done.

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
your denial of any criticism of TO has you thinking something entirely different then what i'm saying.

If TO wasn't TO, then his stats would have kept going up if stayed and ended his career in Philly

Nope. Wrong. Has nothing to do with denying any criticism or thinking differently than what you are saying. All it has to do with is me not being able to help myself for responding to illogical posts....

....such as this one I am currently responding to.

Your claim is that TO's stats would have "kept going up if he stayed and ended his career in Philly." Ok lets address that. So your claim is he would have done even better than:

1180 yards, 13 TDs....
1355 yards, 15 TDs....
1052 yards, 10 TDs....

But, had he stayed in Philly, his stats would have continued to go up and been even better. LOL.

you're still not getting it

he could have avg those stats every year, if he would have stayed and ended his career in philly. Making his career stats even better

First his stats would have gone up if he stayed in Philly. Now he would have had the same stats if he would have stayed in Philly, and yet somehow that would have made his career stats better?

I'm done.

lol i'm glad you are done, because youre failing

because I was talking about career stats would have been better and possibly could have played longer if he wasn't bat s**t crazy

Originally posted by dj43:

Originally posted by FlayvaMeister:

Originally posted by Quest4six:

Originally posted by Lurker:
... but I personally am glad it hasn't been right away because I don't think that he deserves to get in right away. People who were great players and great teammates are the ones that should get in right away.

I disagree
there are currently people in the HOF who have had legal issues during their time in the NFL which should far outweigh anything TO did
People who get into the HOF should only be judged on their game, not anything else.
We already have the end of the season awards for players who are good people

@Lurker ... will you be singing the same tune next year at this time, if Ray Lewis, become a 1st ballot HOF'er ???

People need to understand that there are 3 areas of evaluation for the Hall: What you did on the field. What you did in the locker room in your interaction with coaches, players and the media, and what you did away from the football life.

It has become clear in numerous cases that the voters hold players to a higher standard of conduct around the locker room than away from the football life. We may not agree with that but it is the way they view it, and that is why Owens is still on the outside looking in.

Ray Lewis will be a good test case, however, we should not be surprised if Lewis does go in first year. He is a very different person now than the one that was allegedly involved in a criminal event over a decade ago.

TO, in comparison, is still the caustic figure IN the football life that voters saw while he was still playing. He needs to shut his mouth and let the dust settle if he wants to get in next year. All this juvenile drama he is creating will only firm opposition to his entry.

You make some good points ... and I for one, will not be surprised when he becomes a 1st Ballot HOF'er.
Not that I'll agree or disagree, reason being: only he and those at the scene of the incident, really know what
transpired.

I love T.O., however my biggest problem with him, is that he doesn't know when, nor has he learned when, to
Zip-the Lip !!! Hence he sits and waits ...

So basically, people are admitting that the HOF is about the voters liking you, so Owens should kiss their a$$? If that's the case, the HOF is worthless.

Anyway, since everyone with an IQ over 7 now recognizes it has been proven beyond a shadow of a doubt that Owens never publicly criticized even a single teammate, and that almost every teammate who ever played with him would vouch for his character, I think it's time to deliver another little interesting tidbit nobody mentions.

Pretend Owens actually did insult a teammate or two in his day. He didn't, but let's just pretend that the summer of 2004 suddenly became the summer of 2003 instead, or that T.O. suddenly didn't mention that if McNabb was healthy, the Eagles would have a better record before Bensinger asked the follow up question about Irvin saying Favre would have the Eagles undefeated, or that Hank Fraley and Freddie Mitchell weren't the ones who said McNabb got tired in the Super Bowl and Owens wasn't actually pointing out the irony in the media's story being about the OTHER star player getting tired after all their questioning of Owens's physical conditioning coming off the broken leg to play in the SB.

What then of the ANONYMOUS TEAMMATES?

https://owensdefense.wordpress.com/2016/02/13/anonymous-sources/

So many different ways to arrive at checkmate when you're right.

Originally posted by JoecooI:

So basically, people are admitting that the HOF is about the voters liking you, so Owens should kiss their a$$? If that's the case, the HOF is worthless.

Anyway, since everyone with an IQ over 7 now recognizes it has been proven beyond a shadow of a doubt that Owens never publicly criticized even a single teammate, and that almost every teammate who ever played with him would vouch for his character, I think it's time to deliver another little interesting tidbit nobody mentions.

Pretend Owens actually did insult a teammate or two in his day. He didn't, but let's just pretend that the summer of 2004 suddenly became the summer of 2003 instead, or that T.O. suddenly didn't mention that if McNabb was healthy, the Eagles would have a better record before Bensinger asked the follow up question about Irvin saying Favre would have the Eagles undefeated, or that Hank Fraley and Freddie Mitchell weren't the ones who said McNabb got tired in the Super Bowl and Owens wasn't actually pointing out the irony in the media's story being about the OTHER star player getting tired after all their questioning of Owens's physical conditioning coming off the broken leg to play in the SB.

What then of the ANONYMOUS TEAMMATES?

https://owensdefense.wordpress.com/2016/02/13/anonymous-sources/

So many different ways to arrive at checkmate when you're right.

Oh you are sneaky trying to be me. TO digs his own holes. Great player but he has a habit of biting the hand that feeds him.

I say let him sweat for a few more years.

Originally posted by Joecool:

Originally posted by JoecooI:
So basically, people are admitting that the HOF is about the voters liking you, so Owens should kiss their a$$? If that's the case, the HOF is worthless.

Anyway, since everyone with an IQ over 7 now recognizes it has been proven beyond a shadow of a doubt that Owens never publicly criticized even a single teammate, and that almost every teammate who ever played with him would vouch for his character, I think it's time to deliver another little interesting tidbit nobody mentions.

Pretend Owens actually did insult a teammate or two in his day. He didn't, but let's just pretend that the summer of 2004 suddenly became the summer of 2003 instead, or that T.O. suddenly didn't mention that if McNabb was healthy, the Eagles would have a better record before Bensinger asked the follow up question about Irvin saying Favre would have the Eagles undefeated, or that Hank Fraley and Freddie Mitchell weren't the ones who said McNabb got tired in the Super Bowl and Owens wasn't actually pointing out the irony in the media's story being about the OTHER star player getting tired after all their questioning of Owens's physical conditioning coming off the broken leg to play in the SB.

What then of the ANONYMOUS TEAMMATES?

https://owensdefense.wordpress.com/2016/02/13/anonymous-sources/

So many different ways to arrive at checkmate when you're right.

Oh you are sneaky trying to be me. TO digs his own holes. Great player but he has a habit of biting the hand that feeds him.

I say let him sweat for a few more years.

Originally posted by Joecool:

Originally posted by JoecooI:
So basically, people are admitting that the HOF is about the voters liking you, so Owens should kiss their a$$? If that's the case, the HOF is worthless.

Anyway, since everyone with an IQ over 7 now recognizes it has been proven beyond a shadow of a doubt that Owens never publicly criticized even a single teammate, and that almost every teammate who ever played with him would vouch for his character, I think it's time to deliver another little interesting tidbit nobody mentions.

Pretend Owens actually did insult a teammate or two in his day. He didn't, but let's just pretend that the summer of 2004 suddenly became the summer of 2003 instead, or that T.O. suddenly didn't mention that if McNabb was healthy, the Eagles would have a better record before Bensinger asked the follow up question about Irvin saying Favre would have the Eagles undefeated, or that Hank Fraley and Freddie Mitchell weren't the ones who said McNabb got tired in the Super Bowl and Owens wasn't actually pointing out the irony in the media's story being about the OTHER star player getting tired after all their questioning of Owens's physical conditioning coming off the broken leg to play in the SB.

What then of the ANONYMOUS TEAMMATES?

https://owensdefense.wordpress.com/2016/02/13/anonymous-sources/

So many different ways to arrive at checkmate when you're right.

Oh you are sneaky trying to be me. TO digs his own holes. Great player but he has a habit of biting the hand that feeds him.

I say let him sweat for a few more years.

I was wondering what was going on here. lol

And now T.O. is running his mouth about how he has no respect for the Hall of Fame voting process. The guy just can't get out of his own way.

Originally posted by Lurker:

And now T.O. is running his mouth about how he has no respect for the Hall of Fame voting process. The guy just can't get out of his own way.

He don't care. He's there with his shovel digging his grave deeper and deeper. News flash T.O.! They don't give a flying f**k about your respect!
They just want to see if for once in your life you can be a decent human being and stop making it all about just T.O.!

I want T.O. to get in but he just doesn't get it at this point