The Baalke Meter

Originally posted by Wu-5Rings:

I don't doubt Shanny nor Lynch but I know we are years away brotha. Too many self-inflicted moves. Our gm pissed away drafts like nothing, 3-5 years away if we are lucky.

"But the damage could have been minimized had the 49ers hired Adam Gase to succeed Harbaugh, and it sounds like Gase had the job two years ago ... until general manager Trent Baalke "pushed to go the other way," according to FOX Sports' Jay Glazer, who added that "Gase was stunned."

https://www.google.com/amp/www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/adam-gase-reportedly-had-49ers-job-before-gm-trent-baalke-changed-mind/amp/

Well, we'd still have Baalke had we hired Gase. We'll see.

The WCO takes 3 years to fully install anyways but it's a sustainable and proven offense unlike the smoke and mirrors offense the HaRoman offense brought for a couple years.

But it's not just the WCO vs. the Bo Schemblacher 2.0 offense with an athletic QB, it's the X's and O's within it. And that's where Kyle gives us the huge edge.

Kyle will make due with what we have on offense for now and get the most out of the players.

In the end, half this roster will still be Baalke. Hopefully under quality coaching, NFL proven schemes and great X's and O's, they turn out to be good.

Time will tell.

Originally posted by illinois9er:

Lynch > Baalke
Shannahan > Gase

That's, hopefully, the bottom line.

Originally posted by Bay2Bay9erAllday:

Originally posted by DelCed2486:

Originally posted by itlynstalyn:

Originally posted by SoCold:

Originally posted by SmokeCrabtrees:

Originally posted by SoCold:

meh
sus and I been telling you dudes for what 3 years now?

Oh, so since the off season from hell? Lol.

http://www.49erswebzone.com/forum/niners/186585-how-would-you-grade-trent-baalkes-skills/page47/search=Trent

all of this was talked about in the great Trent "main thread"

then it was deleted

lol

Its very existence was too embarrassing for some posters and mods apparently. #topfivegm #neverforget

Cringe-worthy thread...there was some epic excuse-making for that idiot, er, I mean "Executive Of The Year".

Let's be real, the only poster slurping up Baalkee was NCommand.

Not true. First couple yrs, I was a fan of baalke...then he plateaued out, and it was downhill from there. Baalke's last two yrs were not good ones. He lost me in there somewhere. The best news is not that he is gone but that we got two super studs in GM and HC. The past, baalke included, is just that...PAST. Let's take a positive view on where we are now...and more importantly where we are headed. This team has not been this rejuvenated in yrs. let's focus on what's important...this TC, this PS, and this season. Personally I would prefer to never hear the name baalke again . That is old history...done and gone. Let's celebrate the best OC in the league, and how in the world did we ever get him here?
And same goes for Lynch. How on earth did he ever land here? You want to be real? Then explain how those two incredible hires happened...I've read every single thot on exactly how. this came about ...and still don't know how it really went down.

Baalke? Old news, pardner.

Originally posted by pasodoc9er:

Not true. First couple yrs, I was a fan of baalke...then he plateaued out, and it was downhill from there. Baalke's last two yrs were not good ones. He lost me in there somewhere. The best news is not that he is gone but that we got two super studs in GM and HC. The past, baalke included, is just that...PAST. Let's take a positive view on where we are now...and more importantly where we are headed. This team has not been this rejuvenated in yrs. let's focus on what's important...this TC, this PS, and this season. Personally I would prefer to never hear the name baalke again . That is old history...done and gone. Let's celebrate the best OC in the league, and how in the world did we ever get him here?
And same goes for Lynch. How on earth did he ever land here? You want to be real? Then explain how those two incredible hires happened...I've read every single thot on exactly how. this came about ...and still don't know how it really went down.

Baalke? Old news, pardner.

Comical...we had 3 years where we were the deepest team in the NFL and, cleanly should have won at least one Championship, he wins Executive of the Year and fans are now rewriting history.

You nailed it...he was really good, started to tail off and the 2015 offseason from hell buried him. His biggest fatal flaw was thinking Kaepernick was a FQB and not bringing in any real competition. He deserved to be fired.

But like you said... who cares now... it's ShanaLynch time!

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by Wu-5Rings:

I don't doubt Shanny nor Lynch but I know we are years away brotha. Too many self-inflicted moves. Our gm pissed away drafts like nothing, 3-5 years away if we are lucky.

"But the damage could have been minimized had the 49ers hired Adam Gase to succeed Harbaugh, and it sounds like Gase had the job two years ago ... until general manager Trent Baalke "pushed to go the other way," according to FOX Sports' Jay Glazer, who added that "Gase was stunned."

https://www.google.com/amp/www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/adam-gase-reportedly-had-49ers-job-before-gm-trent-baalke-changed-mind/amp/

Well, we'd still have Baalke had we hired Gase. We'll see.

The WCO takes 3 years to fully install anyways but it's a sustainable and proven offense unlike the smoke and mirrors offense the HaRoman offense brought for a couple years.

But it's not just the WCO vs. the Bo Schemblacher 2.0 offense with an athletic QB, it's the X's and O's within it. And that's where Kyle gives us the huge edge.

Kyle will make due with what we have on offense for now and get the most out of the players.

In the end, half this roster will still be Baalke. Hopefully under quality coaching, NFL proven schemes and great X's and O's, they turn out to be good.

Time will tell.

Yup, you are right time will tell but this is a result of not identifying the cancer, you must eliminate it before it spreads because it becomes harder to clean up years later.

Everyone states how hard it is to work with Harbaugh yet he is still working,

Baalke never drafted a Qb after getting rid of Alex, flopped on draft picks, rumors of undermining, s**tting on Gase and AcL fixations cost us years..

3 years ago when Harbs got fired, we said its too early to tell, its 3 years later and we are cleaning house.. Results of decisions in the nfl takes years to show.

In year 3 you cant say move on so easily "generally speaking"

Yes the optimism is there but this is a time of reflection and clean up time. We are in this position because of decisions made in the past like some of us have been saying.

Identify the problem, take care of it and move on. History tend to repeat itself because we do not bother learning. Its no more a Harbaugh vs Baalke than it is right from wrong. I know feelings would get crush but the end goal is best for the niners.

Because as we speak its Baalke who is the one out of a job.

Time will tell but lets learn from our mistakes and move on not deny the facts. "generally speaking as a whole"

Happy fathers day fellas and enjoy.

Originally posted by NCommand:
Well, we'd still have Baalke had we hired Gase. We'll see.

The WCO takes 3 years to fully install anyways but it's a sustainable and proven offense unlike the smoke and mirrors offense the HaRoman offense brought for a couple years.

But it's not just the WCO vs. the Bo Schemblacher 2.0 offense with an athletic QB, it's the X's and O's within it. And that's where Kyle gives us the huge edge.

Kyle will make due with what we have on offense for now and get the most out of the players.

In the end, half this roster will still be Baalke. Hopefully under quality coaching, NFL proven schemes and great X's and O's, they turn out to be good.

Time will tell.

I think the structure in place will help Kyle a lot, the previous structure where you had too much power in the GM was a disaster. Now that the HC can get his players, the good news is *he can get his players,* the bad news is that if the HC is a bad coach, he'll get bad players. Not saying Kyle is a bad coach, but just saying this structure isn't perfect either. I'm sure you remember the all powerful HC, Mike Ditka, trading his entire draft for Hershel walker. That can happen under a regime where the HC is more powerful than the GM, which is the 49er case right now. My hope is that Kyle continues to draft well because he's a good coach. Bad drafts are usually caused by bad coaches.

Originally posted by NCommand:

Comical...we had 3 years where we were the deepest team in the NFL and, cleanly should have won at least one Championship, he wins Executive of the Year and fans are now rewriting history.

You nailed it...he was really good, started to tail off and the 2015 offseason from hell buried him. His biggest fatal flaw was thinking Kaepernick was a FQB and not bringing in any real competition. He deserved to be fired.

But like you said... who cares now... it's ShanaLynch time!

Funny I feel the same way?

No need for anyone to surpress the truth.

Scott G. McCloughan had some say in that deep draft that we are giving all the credit to Baalke along with his multiple flops, acl addiction and undermining. Its not comical for me, thats f**king scary when one believe their own lies. In reality what was Baalke good for when the facts are recognized? Getting credit for the core he never created...
Tisk,tisk,tisk

I agree we need to pump the brakes on these false narratives.

Originally posted by Wu-5Rings:

Yup, you are right time will tell but this is a result of not identifying the cancer, you must eliminate it before it spreads because it becomes harder to clean up years later.

Everyone states how hard it is to work with Harbaugh yet he is still working,

Baalke never drafted a Qb after getting rid of Alex, flopped on draft picks, rumors of undermining, s**tting on Gase and AcL fixations cost us years..

3 years ago when Harbs got fired, we said its too early to tell, its 3 years later and we are cleaning house.. Results of decisions in the nfl takes years to show.

In year 3 you cant say move on so easily "generally speaking"

Yes the optimism is there but this is a time of reflection and clean up time. We are in this position because of decisions made in the past like some of us have been saying.

Identify the problem, take care of it and move on. History tend to repeat itself because we do not bother learning. Its no more a Harbaugh vs Baalke than it is right from wrong. I know feelings would get crush but the end goal is best for the niners.

Because as we speak its Baalke who is the one out of a job.

Time will tell but lets learn from our mistakes and move on not deny the facts. "generally speaking as a whole"

Happy fathers day fellas and enjoy.

Happy Father's Day to you and all.

Yeah, we certainly wasted time, no doubt. Obviously, the problem was we needed a whole new front office or one that was massively restructured and built up (like now) --- not a one-man show. And we also needed a real NFL HC and staff (like now).

I'm sure it's hard to give Jed some credit but so far, so good.

They literally restructured the FO exactly how I wanted (returned to our old structure), got the coach I wanted and are implementing the systems I want.

So while I can be upset with the past 3 years, a new regime would turn over half the roster anyhow and if nothing, players need years to grow anyhow so maybe now they can start to show some talent.

For me personally, if I had a chance to choose Kyle or Jim, it's a no brainer for me.

Now, when we get the talent level up like we had, will Kyle have similar success? We'll just have to see... and see if that success can be sustained longer.

Originally posted by Wu-5Rings:

Funny I feel the same way?

No need for anyone to surpress the truth.

Scott G. McCloughan had some say in that deep draft that we are giving all the credit to Baalke along with his multiple flops, acl addiction and undermining. Its not comical for me, thats f**king scary when one believe their own lies. In reality what was Baalke good for when the facts are recognized? Getting credit for the core he never created...
Tisk,tisk,tisk

I agree we need to pump the brakes on these false narratives.

Scotty and Nolan certainly helped lay the foundation of top picks year after year including some stinkers plus 7 years of development so players were in their primes and self-managing by the time Jim arrived.

So far we've only had two years of top 10 picks and a few years of development that have been thwarted massively by injuries.

So if we do find success in a couple years, would you give Baalke credit for helping lay this foundation like you do Scotty/Nolan and
will you ignore what Lynch did to take it to a Championship level?

That's where I take exception to some of the Jimbots.

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by Wu-5Rings:

Yup, you are right time will tell but this is a result of not identifying the cancer, you must eliminate it before it spreads because it becomes harder to clean up years later.

Everyone states how hard it is to work with Harbaugh yet he is still working,

Baalke never drafted a Qb after getting rid of Alex, flopped on draft picks, rumors of undermining, s**tting on Gase and AcL fixations cost us years..

3 years ago when Harbs got fired, we said its too early to tell, its 3 years later and we are cleaning house.. Results of decisions in the nfl takes years to show.

In year 3 you cant say move on so easily "generally speaking"

Yes the optimism is there but this is a time of reflection and clean up time. We are in this position because of decisions made in the past like some of us have been saying.

Identify the problem, take care of it and move on. History tend to repeat itself because we do not bother learning. Its no more a Harbaugh vs Baalke than it is right from wrong. I know feelings would get crush but the end goal is best for the niners.

Because as we speak its Baalke who is the one out of a job.

Time will tell but lets learn from our mistakes and move on not deny the facts. "generally speaking as a whole"

Happy fathers day fellas and enjoy.

Happy Father's Day to you and all.

Yeah, we certainly wasted time, no doubt. Obviously, the problem was we needed a whole new front office or one that was massively
restructured and built up (like now) --- not a one-man show. And we also needed a real NFL HC and staff (like now).

I'm sure it's hard to give Jed some credit but so far, so good.

They literally restructured the FO exactly how I wanted (returned to our old structure), got the coach I wanted and are implementing the systems I want.

So while I can be upset with the past 3 years, a new regime would turn over half the roster anyhow and if nothing, players need years to grow anyhow so maybe now they can start to show some talent.

For me personally, if I had a chance to choose Kyle or Jim, it's a no brainer for me.

Now, when we get the talent level up like we had, will Kyle have similar success? We'll just have to see... and see if that success can be sustained longer.

I have all of the faith in the process Lynch and Shanny, the wasted years dealing with incompetency is what gets me,

The fans deserve a 6th, not reports across the country how dysfunctional we are. Hopefully next year we get our Qb, since we chose Hoyer.

Buckle up,

Originally posted by Wu-5Rings:

I have all of the faith in the process Lynch and Shanny, the wasted years dealing with incompetency is what gets me,

The fans deserve a 6th, not reports across the country how dysfunctional we are. Hopefully next year we get our Qb, since we chose Hoyer.

Buckle up,

We were in prime position for the 6th. The talent was there. Why do you not put blame on Jim? That seems misguided to me.

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by Wu-5Rings:

Funny I feel the same way?

No need for anyone to surpress the truth.

Scott G. McCloughan had some say in that deep draft that we are giving all the credit to Baalke along with his multiple flops, acl addiction and undermining. Its not comical for me, thats f**king scary when one believe their own lies. In reality what was Baalke good for when the facts are recognized? Getting credit for the core he never created...
Tisk,tisk,tisk

I agree we need to pump the brakes on these false narratives.

Scotty and Nolan certainly helped lay the foundation of top picks year after year including some stinkers plus 7 years of development so players were in their primes and self-managing by the time Jim arrived.

So far we've only had two years of top 10 picks and a few years of development that have been thwarted massively by injuries.

So if we do find success in a couple years, would you give Baalke credit for helping lay this foundation like you do Scotty/Nolan and
will you ignore what Lynch did to take it to a Championship level?

That's where I take exception to some of the Jimbots.

Ok I'll entertain this,

At the rate we are getting rid of his draft picks and wasted acl projects? I dont see a trio of his draft picks being the foundation of any championship team? Some could be a part of but foundation? I dont see it,

Who do you see being that foundation?

We don't even have a qb right now,

Originally posted by Wu-5Rings:

Ok I'll entertain this,

At the rate we are getting rid of his draft picks? I dont see a trio of his draft picks being the foundation of any championship team?

Who do you see being that foundation?

What do you think Baalke was doing the whole time he was here? Working with Scott and Nolan to build the foundation and then when he took over, had a great draft and added a ton of pieces to take us to a Championship level. Go look at how many transactions he made...hint...just like now.

No matter which way you slice it, 1/2 the 53 and starters will still be Baalkes. The only difference between Lynch and Baalke is that Lynch is new to the organization.

If your bias is so strong you can't give credit where credit is due (during that time), there's no point in discussing this further.

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by illinois9er:

Lynch > Baalke
Shannahan > Gase

That's, hopefully, the bottom line.

I was a huge Gase fan...I pounded the table for him.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by illinois9er:

Lynch > Baalke
Shannahan > Gase

That's, hopefully, the bottom line.

I was a huge Gase fan...I pounded the table for him.

Same here! Similar mold as Kyle... but I'd still take Kyle today so sometimes things happen for a reason.