Jimmy Garoppolo, QB, Los Angeles Rams

Originally posted by darockzillahitman:
My definition of a "gimmick" in football is when it's physically easy. When it requires little talent to succeed. When the players who succeed in it are "products of a system."

Yeah, it could be mentally tough...but that just means you get the nerdier players instead of the physically talented ones. To me, that's everything that is wrong with sports. I watch sports to see great athleticism competing against great athleticism, not everything being about some coach outthinking the other one.

When Chris Hogan succeeds and Chad Johnson fails, that system is bad for sports.

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of course. So their defense also can get by with little talent since you said that defense was a gimmick? Just want to get things clear so I don't misunderstand.

Originally posted by Niners816:

Originally posted by darockzillahitman:
Terminology doesn't mean squat. That's like how people still try to call things "West Coast Offense" when they're using mostly shotgun and 3-4 wide receiver sets. Meanwhile, Bill Walsh ran 95% of his plays out of the pro set (split backfield). 2 wide receivers. 1 tight end. 2 backs. He used shotgun once in a blue moon, which was still more often than Holmgren used it (literally never).

Haha.....offensive systems are based on concepts. Running a WCO, is not based on formation usage or personnel groupings. It based on the concepts used. So a team can run a WCO and use the shotgun.....Green Bay has been doing it for years. You can run a spot concept or drive concept out of any personnel group or formation....those concepts are the backbone of the WCO, not the formations used.

Nope. You are simply wrong. A system is exactly based on formation usage and personnel groupings (and concepts, of which none of the modern systems have anything in common with the older ones). Green Bay is not a WCO, despite clueless people saying otherwise simply because McCarthy came from the WCO tree. The ONLY thing they do that has anything in common with what Walsh and Holmgren ran is the terminology. The actual plays they run and the concepts are nothing even close.

This is why Bill Walsh scoffed at Jim Harbaugh and went, "yeah, right," when Harbaugh said he was going to "run the West Coast Offense." Look it up.

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Originally posted by NinerGM:

Originally posted by NCommand:
Thank you!

Kyle Shanahan on Jimmy Garoppolo: "I can't promise that he'll play this year."

Why would you put him behind Tomlinson-Kil(QB)gore and Fu(cksup)co?

Don't buy it for a second.

Kyle is ready to win.

He will play against the Giants. Worse case scenario after the bye week.

Originally posted by thl408:

Originally posted by darockzillahitman:
My definition of a "gimmick" in football is when it's physically easy. When it requires little talent to succeed. When the players who succeed in it are "products of a system."

Yeah, it could be mentally tough...but that just means you get the nerdier players instead of the physically talented ones. To me, that's everything that is wrong with sports. I watch sports to see great athleticism competing against great athleticism, not everything being about some coach outthinking the other one.

When Chris Hogan succeeds and Chad Johnson fails, that system is bad for sports.

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of course. So their defense also can get by with little talent since you said that defense was a gimmick? Just want to get things clear so I don't misunderstand.

Yep. There's a reason Belichick is able to take Troy Brown or Julian Edelman and line them up at corner.

Originally posted by darockzillahitman:

Nope. You are simply wrong. A system is exactly based on formation usage and personnel groupings (and concepts, of which none of the modern systems have anything in common with the older ones). Green Bay is not a WCO, despite clueless people saying otherwise simply because McCarthy came from the WCO tree. The ONLY thing they do that has anything in common with what Walsh and Holmgren ran is the terminology. The actual plays they run and the concepts are nothing even close.

This is why Bill Walsh scoffed at Jim Harbaugh and went, "yeah, right," when Harbaugh said he was going to "run the West Coast Offense." Look it up.

You ain't gonna f**k with me on the WCO.....

The bolded is seriously one of the most ridiculous things you've said

So Bill, who died in 2007 scoffed at Jim in 2011 when he said he was gonna run a wco?

Originally posted by JustinNiner:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

#49ers Exec. VP of Football Operations Paraag Marathe currently sitting next to Garapolo's agent Don Yee. I'm sure a deal will get done.

— Ryan Sakamoto (@BEASTwriter_) October 31, 2017

From yesterday...get it done

im guessing a Brock Osweiler type of deal. Maybe 3 years, $20M per year

LOL at people thinking this. No f**king way he signs a contract that cheap and short.

5 years 108 mil or somewhere in that range is where i think we end.

Yesterdays presser they really played down flat out stating they want him for a long time into the future, because they already know he has them over a barrel. they are trying what they can to keep the value low, but they know they are going to have to break the bank. Period.

Then the question was asked where Kyle had him ranked in the draft and the cat was fully out of the bag.

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:
Bottomline, Belichick isn't any less fallible than any great coach and he's made quite a few mistakes in recent years. Chandler Jones may have been "freelancing" but right now the Patriots could sure use his 8 sacks on their defense. They could use Jamie Collins at LB, they certainly aren't getting much out of Dwayne Allen and his $6 million salary. They got absolutely nothing out of Kony Ealy.

You can continue pretending that Belichick is perfect when reality indicates otherwise. Every great coach made their fair share of mistakes, Belichick has made his as well.

Jones was let go because they couldn't afford his upcoming contract. 83 million. That's part of being a championship team.

Originally posted by Niners99:

Originally posted by jcs:

Originally posted by Niners99:

Originally posted by jcs:

Originally posted by Niners99:

Originally posted by Cisco0623:

Yeah i told you that before we even got Jimmy. If o-line isn't priority one this offseason I'll put Lynch and Kyle on a space x rocket the f**k outta here!

The OL wasn't really even a problem this year until Brown AND Staley were out. Obviously if you lose 2 upper tier T, and then your backup T goes on IR, and you have to play a total crap G like Zane Beadles at LT, and a rookie G Eric Magnuson at RT, you're going to have problems.

Brown will likely be back this week, or next week, and Staley will be back after the bye. Fusco has actually been solid, which leaves Kilgore and Tomlinson playing mediocre, but passable. The OL will be back to decent by the Seattle game when Garoppolo starts.

IMO our weak spots are better addressed in free agency. We have Tackles, and I hate drafting G or C. They're always crapshoots. Sign a top free agent G or C, and the line will be in good shape.

We watching the same games??

The pass blocking hadnt been bad before the injuries. It was QB play and dropped passes. Both Staley and Brown were having solid seasons on the edges.

Beadles was Benched for being a preverbal turnstile, our C Kilgore is constantly getting tossed around like a rag doll and can't seem to make the right reads and our Guards Laken and Fusco are ranked in the bottom 1/4 of the league in both run and pass blocking though Laken has shown a little potential. The only thing that was holding this line together this year were our OT's but lately Staley's been getting beat at least once a game on outside rushes and Brown has been struggling to pick up the blitz. This online started bad this season and has simply been getting worse not better.

Incorrect on Fusco. PFF ranks him as the 12th best run blocking G in football this year. Overall hes ranked 25th. Not bad at all. We really just have 2 weak spots in the middle, but thats the norm in the NFL today. Were lucky to have 2 good T. Our OL, when healthy, is actually a solid group.

I am going to beg to differ here. Since the team has been hard to watch, I have isolated on the OL. And kilgore gets shoved aside or worse back into the Qb virtually most plays. When in , beadles is doing the same or just whiffing on everybody who goes by him. And then fusco. He has been every bit as bad as kilgore, and beadles, so please, let's not take PFF as gospel. My lying eyes told me all i needed to see.

Beadles is a FAIL
Kilgore is a monster fail.
And fusco is right there with them. If he is rated 25th in the league for OGs, thne the OGs in the league must stink. Beacse fusco is no better than beadles or kilgore. There is nobody in the Center of taht OL who can block a lick and anyone who says so need do no more than go over any game tape.If i hadn't spent a lot of time doing it, i wouildn't ahve said it. But fusco is awful REally really awful as is beadles and kilgore. Unfortunately, i have not ISO ed on Laken but he seems to be not as great as i had hoped . He has been getting beat also. But the first 3 are so bad that there are no words for it...or them. None of fusco, beadles or kilgore will be here next yr....nor do they deserve to be.

I doubt it, everybody uses the same concepts they just use different terminology... JG will grasp the concepts easily it's KS verbage that will take the most time to master before he can be natural on the field and play loose...

Originally posted by IdahoNiner:

Originally posted by JustinNiner:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

#49ers Exec. VP of Football Operations Paraag Marathe currently sitting next to Garapolo's agent Don Yee. I'm sure a deal will get done.

— Ryan Sakamoto (@BEASTwriter_) October 31, 2017

From yesterday...get it done

im guessing a Brock Osweiler type of deal. Maybe 3 years, $20M per year

LOL at people thinking this. No f**king way he signs a contract that cheap and short.

5 years 108 mil or somewhere in that range is where i think we end.

Yesterdays presser they really played down flat out stating they want him for a long time into the future, because they already know he has them over a barrel. they are trying what they can to keep the value low, but they know they are going to have to break the bank. Period.

Then the question was asked where Kyle had him ranked in the draft and the cat was fully out of the bag.

This.

If you think he's gonna average less than $20M per year, you're high. Lol.

We'd be lucky if he took a contract like Osweiler got from Houston.

Originally posted by darockzillahitman:
My definition of a "gimmick" in football is when it's physically easy. When it requires little talent to succeed. When the players who succeed in it are "products of a system."

Yeah, it could be mentally tough...but that just means you get the nerdier players instead of the physically talented ones. To me, that's everything that is wrong with sports. I watch sports to see great athleticism competing against great athleticism, not everything being about some coach outthinking the other one.

When Chris Hogan succeeds and Chad Johnson fails, that system is bad for sports.

Where did this dude come from??

Originally posted by Niners816:

Originally posted by darockzillahitman:
Nope. You are simply wrong. A system is exactly based on formation usage and personnel groupings (and concepts, of which none of the modern systems have anything in common with the older ones). Green Bay is not a WCO, despite clueless people saying otherwise simply because McCarthy came from the WCO tree. The ONLY thing they do that has anything in common with what Walsh and Holmgren ran is the terminology. The actual plays they run and the concepts are nothing even close.

This is why Bill Walsh scoffed at Jim Harbaugh and went, "yeah, right," when Harbaugh said he was going to "run the West Coast Offense." Look it up.

You ain't gonna f**k with me on the WCO.....

The bolded is seriously one of the most ridiculous things you've said

So Bill, who died in 2007 scoffed at Jim in 2011 when he said he was gonna run a wco?

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by Rascal:

Beathard is out of his depth.

Jimmy G will play as soon as he has the playbook down and when all the O-linemen are back.

Worst case scenario, let Beathard play from now until after the Seattle game. Let him take the punishment.

It could potentially be quite dangerous to send Jimmy G out there with a depleted O-line against Seattle's pass rush or any pass rush for that matter.

So, at the very latest I can see Jimmy G starting from the Bears game which will give him almost 5 weeks of preparation. At the same time, it will still give us 5 games to evaluate him before we decide whether to go all in and give him the big contract. That way we keep our options open. In the unlikely event if things don't work out, we can still take a top QB prospect in the draft if we need to.

Could happen.

Well there is a fine line here between néed to protect garopp and finding out how he does. He has to be protected but at the same time we can't roll into next season not knowing if he is as good as advertised. We just can't do taht. But we still gotta protect him too. Interesting conundrum and will be interesting to see how kyle finesses this. It'll be a good trick. Most likely will wait on Trenton and Joe to return and then give it a whirl. Worst case would be to not know what we have in garopp and then find out next yr and boom....we are screwed...if he isn't all we had hoped. But worse would be to get him injured this yr , so ... aw schid.....

Originally posted by Niners816:

Originally posted by darockzillahitman:
Nope. You are simply wrong. A system is exactly based on formation usage and personnel groupings (and concepts, of which none of the modern systems have anything in common with the older ones). Green Bay is not a WCO, despite clueless people saying otherwise simply because McCarthy came from the WCO tree. The ONLY thing they do that has anything in common with what Walsh and Holmgren ran is the terminology. The actual plays they run and the concepts are nothing even close.

This is why Bill Walsh scoffed at Jim Harbaugh and went, "yeah, right," when Harbaugh said he was going to "run the West Coast Offense." Look it up.

You ain't gonna f**k with me on the WCO.....

The bolded is seriously one of the most ridiculous things you've said

So Bill, who died in 2007 scoffed at Jim in 2011 when he said he was gonna run a wco?

I didn't say he told him he was going to run it in SF. Harbaugh and Walsh used to talk regularly when Walsh was still alive.

Are you seriously going to tell me, with a straight face, that what the 49ers are running here ( https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cx7GgzZYTpc ) is the same offensive system as what the Packers are running here (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IMhGuBvyp5E ).

You couldn't come up with more dissimilar systems if you tried. You could run Tom Osborne's Nebraska offense and use WCO terminology. It wouldn't make it the WCO.