Originally posted by darockzillahitman:Originally posted by thl408:How do you know that's not what they are running? Yes it was created over 30 years ago, but it lives on today, just like WCO terminology, and Air Coryell terminology. But E-P is just that, a method to calling plays. Forget how they call the plays for a minute. Think more about what the plays are requiring the players to do. The Patriot's passing offense is very complicated with many route adjustments by the WRs. Nothing about it is a gimmick. I'm assuming your definition of gimmick is, "simple, easily defended, not sustainable". There are many WRs that just can't grasp it and can't function in that offense. Regarding their defense, it's a multiple defense that will run 3-4 and 4-3 in the same game. Not a gimmick.Originally posted by darockzillahitman:Originally posted by Niners816:Originally posted by darockzillahitman:I think we should be awfully concerned about the fact that Belichick was willing to trade him, and for only a 2nd round pick, when he used a 2nd rounder to draft him to begin with.
Belichick does not lose on trades. He knows how to make it so that all his coaches and players would fail anywhere else. He teaches them to fail without him, and they don't realize it. He's the greatest chess player of all time.
He makes it so his players can't succeed outside the Patriots' gimmick offensive and defensive systems, and he makes it so his coaches have no idea how to implement what he does anywhere else. The man is a twisted genius. Last year's Patriots team was the least talented roster in the NFL, and he made them 17-2 and Super Bowl champions.
The NFL runs through Belichick. You have a chance to win when he decides he's going to give you a chance to win. Our only hope is that Belichick just felt bad about letting Jimmy's career go to waste backing up Brady for another 5 years. Otherwise, we're going to see Jed talking about "accountability" and how he wants to "compete to with Shuper Bowlsh" after a couple firings in another 3-4 years.
Since when is an Erhardt-Perkins offense a gimmick? In fact, it's one of the 3 main pro offenses.
That's not even remotely what they're running. You're classifying it as something from over 30 years ago based on a freak'n tree.
https://www.si.com/nfl/2016/01/22/tom-brady-patriots-charlie-weis-option-routes
But what truly separates the Patriots' system is the extensive combination of receiver route adjustments, based on the defense or a defender's positioning, that all pass catchers—even running backs—have to know. Most offenses include at least a sprinkling of option routes designed, essentially, to use a defense against itself. But New England's offense is built on them.
When Brady is surrounded by talented players who know the system and can execute it—like the group the Patriots had during the bulk of their 10–0 start, with Gronkowski, Edelman, receiver Danny Amendola and running back Dion Lewismostly healthy—this offense can make sweet, unstoppable music. And when Brady doesn't have that luxury? Whoever those players are, they won't be staying around for long. "There were a couple guys in our past, he wouldn't throw the ball to them," says Weis. "You'd get pissed and say, 'Why didn't you throw to him?' He'd answer, 'I didn't trust him.'
My definition of a "gimmick" in football is when it's physically easy. When it requires little talent to succeed. When the players who succeed in it are "products of a system."
Yeah, it could be mentally tough...but that just means you get the nerdier players instead of the physically talented ones. To me, that's everything that is wrong with sports. I watch sports to see great athleticism competing against great athleticism, not everything being about some coach outthinking the other one.
When Chris Hogan succeeds and Chad Johnson fails, that system is bad for sports.
Why is it bad? Everyone in the NFL is a top athlete...what separates them is worth ethic and smarts. Sorry Chad is a dummy and couldn't comprehend the playbook.
I mean you must have hated Montana cause he wasn't some athletic monster lol
[ Edited by NYniner85 on Nov 1, 2017 at 2:17 PM ]
