Jimmy Garoppolo, QB, Los Angeles Rams

Originally posted by NIMV4683:

Originally posted by RTFirefly:

Originally posted by NYniner85:
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000870851/article/shanahan-49ers-might-not-play-garoppolo-this-year

This makes a world of sense. I figured Jimmy G. wouldn't agree to it because he wants to play so badly, but if he's good with it going into FA, then GO 1-15!!!

Not buying it at all. Sure is Jimmy G won't have full grasp of Shanahan's playbook at least a full month at least but doubtful they sit him entire season. This is clearly a huge smokescreen.

Yup, completely agree. Just a big smokescreen. He's playing this year, no ifs, and or buts.

Originally posted by IdahoNiner:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000870851/article/shanahan-49ers-might-not-play-garoppolo-this-year

LOL! Please....

After the bye week at the latest. Likely against the Giants.

I don't want him coming back until Staley/Brown are back personally....that Giants front is nasty and I'd rather he goes in after the bye.

Got to play Garoppolo as soon as possible. This is our chance to kick the tires before giving him that god fat contract. If he doesn't plan out, we can still go after Cousin. Not playing him denies ourselves that chance.

Originally posted by darockzillahitman:

My definition of a "gimmick" in football is when it's physically easy. When it requires little talent to succeed. When the players who succeed in it are "products of a system."

Yeah, it could be mentally tough...but that just means you get the nerdier players instead of the physically talented ones. To me, that's everything that is wrong with sports. I watch sports to see great athleticism competing against great athleticism, not everything being about some coach outthinking the other one.

When Chris Hogan succeeds and Chad Johnson fails, that system is bad for sports.

lol, this is exactly how sports should NOT be and I am glad to see that the NFL does not care about superior athleticism.

you are referring to superior genetics. being successful based on that would be terrible. If you want to be successful, you have to be a superior person, you have to be determined, ambitious etc.... that is how universities and professional life are working (most of the time) and sports should not be different to that.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Doesn't matter if he can't understand playbook...go look at how many uber athletes come out of the draft and suck. Everyone is athletic.

FYI hogan ran a faster 40 than Chad and is 20lbs bigger than him...they both are very good route runners, but one didn't get a real shot until he got to NE. (He was a UDFA brought in by SF actually).

Intelligence is not overrated. Rueben Randle is a guy who comes to mind. Physical ability was never his problem but the guy was either lazy, dumb or both.

In New York he frequently ran the wrong routes or cut off his routes early and the result too often wound up being a terrible looking interception to where people were like "LOL...Eli..."


It looked like he was throwing it straight to a defender when he was throwing it where his jar of rocks receiver was supposed to be all too often. Randle is now out of the NFL after having been an early draft pick.

Originally posted by btthepunk:

Originally posted by darockzillahitman:
So you think Chris Hogan was a better wide receiver than Chad Johnson?

Chris Hogan now is better than Ochocinco was in New England.

Yes, Chris Hogan is a better wide receiver now than Ochocinco was at the time he was in NE. Overall, in OC's prime, he was a better talent, but that is not the point. In NE, scheme trumps pure talent, and they have 5 SB rings to prove it.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by IdahoNiner:

Originally posted by NYniner85:
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000870851/article/shanahan-49ers-might-not-play-garoppolo-this-year

LOL! Please....

After the bye week at the latest. Likely against the Giants.

I don't want him coming back until Staley/Brown are back personally....that Giants front is nasty and I'd rather he goes in after the bye.

They wont be able to keep him off the field. Every player on the roster will know he should be starting by the end of the week.

Originally posted by GarnerValleyFan:

Got to play Garoppolo as soon as possible. This is our chance to kick the tires before giving him that god fat contract. If he doesn't plan out, we can still go after Cousin. Not playing him denies ourselves that chance.

I'd rather not set him up for failure either though...Kyle stated what he sees in the film room and practice will be just as important.

Everyone wants instant results but need to have patience.

Originally posted by IdahoNiner:

Originally posted by NYniner85:
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000870851/article/shanahan-49ers-might-not-play-garoppolo-this-year

LOL! Please....

After the bye week at the latest. Likely against the Giants.

That was my choice in the poll. Giants are missing both their starting corners. Tempting, mighty tempting... Of course, with our O-line we'll have to run the ball all the time, which isn't that bad as the Giants' pass rush is about the only thing that's gone right for them this year.

Basically, I see the logic for the multiple options and I'm good with Kyle's final decision on when Jimmy G. plays.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by GarnerValleyFan:
Got to play Garoppolo as soon as possible. This is our chance to kick the tires before giving him that god fat contract. If he doesn't plan out, we can still go after Cousin. Not playing him denies ourselves that chance.

I'd rather not set him up for failure either though...Kyle stated what he sees in the film room and practice will be just as important.

Everyone wants instant results but need to have patience.

Like i said, it will be impossible to keep him off the field for longer than the Bye week. He will outclass CJ quickly, and it will be obvious to the entire roster by the end of the week that Jimmy G should be starting. Even this week.

He wont play this week, but if i was a betting man, i say he starts against the Giants.

Originally posted by RonMexico:

Originally posted by defenderDX:

Originally posted by RonMexico:
I'm so happy

jesus christ has he put on weight. but that pic o him is enhanced.

And now we've got people actually trying to argue that Chris Hogan is a better receiver than Chad Johnson was. People can't seem to handle the fact that Bill Belichick has destroyed the game of football.

When one player is a phenomenal talent, as Johnson was, and the other is not, as Hogan is not (wouldn't start for any other team in football), and the guy without the talent is the guy who succeeds, simply because he understands the system, there's a problem.

Being a talented receiver doesn't just mean, "ran a fast 40-time." Otherwise, Usain Bolt would be an incredibly talented receiver if he decided to play football.

Chad Johnson was incredibly quick, could separate on the dime, and had phenomenal hands and acrobatic ability/ball skills. Hogan has none of those things going for him. All he has is knowing the system.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by TheWooLick:

The stats say no.
What is the point of the comparison?

His point is athletic ability should be the reason a player is good not the system or qb throwing him the ball. Chad sucked in NE cause he couldn't understand the playbook, yet Chris Hogan is doing pretty well (it's not like he's a s**tty athlete anyway).

Guess what all NFL players are good athletes, but there's other things that separate players other than athletic abilities...I asked him if he hated Montana cause well he wasn't a uber athlete lol.

Chad was at the end of his career as well, he couldn't hack it in Miami or the CFL either.

Originally posted by darockzillahitman:

There are many different ways to run a "drive," which can be any number of different route combinations. It's just a high/low concept. If that's how you wish to define "concept," then every single offense has this "concept" in their playbook, as well as every other, which would mean everybody is running the same system. But they're not.

And Vic Fangio agrees with me:

"The West Coast Offense that everyone claims they run, nobody really runs the West Coast Offense that Bill Walsh used to run. All these self-proclaimed West Coast Offenses really are not running Bill Walsh's offense. They use his nomenclature in defining and naming formations, but they're really not running the offense that he used to run. Everybody's taken their own version of it and put their own little mark on it, but to me, I don't see anybody running the West Coast Offense."

Nobody has ran Bill's offense in the nfl since he retired in Jan of '89. What Vic is saying is nobody is running Bill's offense. Nobody has ever denied that.

Those that say they are running a WCO are doing so because they subscribe to a philosophy of passing to set up the run and are using the verbiage associated with the WCO.

So Green Bay, uses WCO verbiage, obviously passes to set up the run and uses all the tried and true passing concepts. That my friend is a WCO. It just isn't Bill Walsh's offense just like NE E-P isn't the same as the one that Parcells was using in the 80s. Times change and the game adapts, but saying an offense isn't a WCO because it doesn't use the traditional red, brown and blue horizontal stack formations is ridiculous.