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Originally posted by teylo31:
Is this the garoppolo thread
Originally posted by darockzillahitman:Passing to set up the run" doesn't define the system. That's just a silly little media narrative. Walsh himself didn't really pass to set up the run that much. There were years where his offenses were more run heavy than anything else, and plenty of games where he would come out trying to "establish the run."
Heck, people talk about Mike Shanahan as a "WCO" guy because of his time in SF, and define his Denver Broncos' offenses as "WCO," yet the main thing they loved to do was run to set up the bootleg.
Yeah, people who define systems are talking about "verbiage," but that's stupid, and that's the whole point. They're not the same systems. Not in any meaningful way.
What the Patriots run today is pure football-killing nonsense. That's why they take scrap heap players and go to the conference championship game every year, if not the Super Bowl.
lol, football is chess, any sports that includes a head to head battle, does demand some brain power due to the necessity to build a strategy and one has to implement smart tactical changes as well.Originally posted by darockzillahitman:Who said anything about working hard/not working hard?
The point is, athletics should not come down to freak'n brain power. This isn't chess.
Originally posted by IdahoNiner:Originally posted by NinerGM:Originally posted by NCommand:Thank you!
Kyle Shanahan on Jimmy Garoppolo: "I can't promise that he'll play this year."
Why would you put him behind Tomlinson-Kil(QB)gore and Fu(cksup)co?
Don't buy it for a second.
Kyle is ready to win.
He will play against the Giants. Worse case scenario after the bye week.
Originally posted by NCommand:
Originally posted by IdahoNiner:
Originally posted by NinerGM:
Originally posted by NCommand:
Thank you!
Kyle Shanahan on Jimmy Garoppolo: "I can't promise that he'll play this year."
Why would you put him behind Tomlinson-Kil(QB)gore and Fu(cksup)co?
Don't buy it for a second.
Kyle is ready to win.
He will play against the Giants. Worse case scenario after the bye week.
"We didn't bring him here to safe our season" ~ Kyle
Originally posted by TheWooLick:Originally posted by darockzillahitman:And now we've got people actually trying to argue that Chris Hogan is a better receiver than Chad Johnson was. People can't seem to handle the fact that Bill Belichick has destroyed the game of football.
When one player is a phenomenal talent, as Johnson was, and the other is not, as Hogan is not (wouldn't start for any other team in football), and the guy without the talent is the guy who succeeds, simply because he understands the system, there's a problem.
Being a talented receiver doesn't just mean, "ran a fast 40-time." Otherwise, Usain Bolt would be an incredibly talented receiver if he decided to play football.
Chad Johnson was incredibly quick, could separate on the dime, and had phenomenal hands and acrobatic ability/ball skills. Hogan has none of those things going for him. All he has is knowing the system.
When he was 23, not when he was 33.
Originally posted by IdahoNiner:Originally posted by NCommand:Originally posted by IdahoNiner:Originally posted by NinerGM:Originally posted by NCommand:Thank you!
Kyle Shanahan on Jimmy Garoppolo: "I can't promise that he'll play this year."
Why would you put him behind Tomlinson-Kil(QB)gore and Fu(cksup)co?
Don't buy it for a second.
Kyle is ready to win.
He will play against the Giants. Worse case scenario after the bye week.
"We didn't bring him here to safe our season" ~ Kyle
Obviously lol. And you left out the rest of the statement which provides context.
Some of you are really reading too much into this coach speak.
Coach will start him when he is obviously a better option to start than CJ, which will likely be in time for the Giants game. After the Bye week at the latest.
It will be obvious he is light years ahead of CJ by the end of the week. Every player on the roster will realize it.
Originally posted by NYniner85:
Originally posted by darockzillahitman:
And now we've got people actually trying to argue that Chris Hogan is a better receiver than Chad Johnson was. People can't seem to handle the fact that Bill Belichick has destroyed the game of football.
When one player is a phenomenal talent, as Johnson was, and the other is not, as Hogan is not (wouldn't start for any other team in football), and the guy without the talent is the guy who succeeds, simply because he understands the system, there's a problem.
Being a talented receiver doesn't just mean, "ran a fast 40-time." Otherwise, Usain Bolt would be an incredibly talented receiver if he decided to play football.
Chad Johnson was incredibly quick, could separate on the dime, and had phenomenal hands and acrobatic ability/ball skills. Hogan has none of those things going for him. All he has is knowing the system.
Who is saying hogan is a better wr then Chad? That's silly, he was into his 11th seaon when he went to NE. He didn't have his crazy athletic ability anymore and wasn't smart enough to understand the system plain and simple.... Stop acting like hogan is some unauthentic WR, he's more than fast for his size and one of the things that he actually is very very good at is getting separation and route running.
Jerry rice was never the biggest/fastest WR, but dude had crazy work eithic...but I guess you hated him too, him and Montana ruined the game with their work ethic and smarts....bill belichick is basically Walsh and is smarter than everyone else with schemes but he sucks based on what you're saying
Originally posted by SmokeCrabtrees:
We will win this week so the fan base can stfu and celebrate a lil and hopefully Shanny lies to us and says hell be ready to start soon when he really he wants to tank and be full go for OTAs
Originally posted by IdahoNiner:Originally posted by SmokeCrabtrees:We will win this week so the fan base can stfu and celebrate a lil and hopefully Shanny lies to us and says hell be ready to start soon when he really he wants to tank and be full go for OTAs
I personally wouldn't bet on it.
Originally posted by btthepunk:
Originally posted by IdahoNiner:
Originally posted by NCommand:
Originally posted by IdahoNiner:
Originally posted by NinerGM:
Originally posted by NCommand:
Thank you!
Kyle Shanahan on Jimmy Garoppolo: "I can't promise that he'll play this year."
Why would you put him behind Tomlinson-Kil(QB)gore and Fu(cksup)co?
Don't buy it for a second.
Kyle is ready to win.
He will play against the Giants. Worse case scenario after the bye week.
"We didn't bring him here to safe our season" ~ Kyle
Obviously lol. And you left out the rest of the statement which provides context.
Some of you are really reading too much into this coach speak.
Coach will start him when he is obviously a better option to start than CJ, which will likely be in time for the Giants game. After the Bye week at the latest.
It will be obvious he is light years ahead of CJ by the end of the week. Every player on the roster will realize it.
Which is why I won't be surprised to see Kyle change his mind about starting/playing him Sunday.
Originally posted by IdahoNiner:Originally posted by teylo31:Is this the garoppolo thread
Thought it was, but you and me must just be high and wondered into the wrong thread, because everyone else including mods are just talking about nonsense.....
Originally posted by SmokeCrabtrees:
Originally posted by IdahoNiner:
Originally posted by SmokeCrabtrees:
We will win this week so the fan base can stfu and celebrate a lil and hopefully Shanny lies to us and says hell be ready to start soon when he really he wants to tank and be full go for OTAs
I personally wouldn't bet on it.
Sounds ideal doe no? Who knows AZ can be planning their own low key tank... Arians probs retires so might as well try to hand them off a top 3-5 pick while he calls it quits.
Originally posted by Niners816:
Originally posted by darockzillahitman:
Passing to set up the run" doesn't define the system. That's just a silly little media narrative. Walsh himself didn't really pass to set up the run that much. There were years where his offenses were more run heavy than anything else, and plenty of games where he would come out trying to "establish the run."
Heck, people talk about Mike Shanahan as a "WCO" guy because of his time in SF, and define his Denver Broncos' offenses as "WCO," yet the main thing they loved to do was run to set up the bootleg.
Yeah, people who define systems are talking about "verbiage," but that's stupid, and that's the whole point. They're not the same systems. Not in any meaningful way.
What the Patriots run today is pure football-killing nonsense. That's why they take scrap heap players and go to the conference championship game every year, if not the Super Bowl.
His whole passing game was designed to be an extension of the run game. Sure there would be games where they established the run, but Walsh passed to get the lead and then concentrate on running the ball in the second half of games on a worn down defense. Coincidently, the years where they ran more than passed was the championship years (every Super Bowl Walsh team had more runs than passes).
Also, now bootlegging your QB means you're not a WCO? Did you even watch, the Montana era Walsh teams? No QB moved more than Joe on designed pass plays.
