Jimmy Garoppolo, QB, Los Angeles Rams

Originally posted by SkyZer0:

also dude look at the comment section of that article.

that guy's name is similar to yours and he's talking about nothing but ALEX haha

Oh hahaha.

Yeah not me...85 is for Vernon Davis

He doesn't sound like me though, I'm a bit more of a dick (I can admit that )

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
you say context.. but those stats still don't explain how he converted so many 3rd downs or win so many games. was just dumb luck.. was it just horrible tackling for 19 games in a row or was he finding the open guy to get the first down. what about first and 2nd down throws.. are those all behind the LOS also.

if Jimmy wore a head band saying I throw deep all game.. i'm sure you would all over him

Ahhh it absolutely explains it, if you read the description of what the stats mean.

Basically our playmakers made a ton of plays with the ball in their hands. Kittle/Deebo were two of the highest YAC receivers in football last yr, just about every catch Bourne made went for a 1st down. I mean are we gonna pretend like that wasn't a thing last yr lol?

That's what it's disingenuous to say he was top 5 in 3rd conversions without saying the skilled position players played a massive part in that. Not Jimmy's fault he was just running the plays.

Winning games is a team stat. Not sure how many times that needs to be said

Show me some stats on his 1st/2nd down throws? I know they ran the ball pretty well, setting up easy completions on 3rd down. Again not Jimmy's fault.

Finally, how dare I like a qb prospect that throws the ball more than 5 feet downfield lol. How dare I like someone that has good pocket feel, throws with anticipation and has great accuracy

All QB prospects look good in college tho but thats not what i'm trying to get at

If JG couldn't throw like your stats say, then we wouldn't have no business winning as many games as we did. Coaches could easily take away the short game.. but they couldn't.

This year Bill belicheat exposed Derek Carr by double covering his check downs, but couldn't do anything against Jimmy. Some players can just win games, no matter what the stats say

Originally posted by Goatie:

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:
I know some of you want Jimmy to come back this year. There's no doubt he's the best we have but the difference in scoring when Jimmy started vs Nick this year was about 2 points per game. Comparing Nick to last year when JG played a full season and the team was much healthier the difference is about 6 points per game. I don't see enough difference to try and bring JG back this year. I would rather see more of CJ and Nick. Let them each play half the game for the rest of the year so they can decide which one they want to keep next year.

They already know what JG can do and the chances of this team making the playoffs and advancing is really slim whether he starts or not. They may end up keeping him for another year so make sure he's healthy. Those ankle sprains can linger for a long time and there's also the chance he could injure something else if he goes back in and favors that ankle.

There is always the passive aggressive BUT in all of your posts. What follows is always the negative take in your speculations. Why don't you go back and support the Patriots. I know you came to this page soon after JG did.

They're littering Tampa Bay boards as well. Solid work mate. Let us know if you find any more Patriots in disguise here Goatie.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by SkyZer0:

also dude look at the comment section of that article.

that guy's name is similar to yours and he's talking about nothing but ALEX haha

Oh hahaha.

Yeah not me...85 is for Vernon Davis

He doesn't sound like me though, I'm a bit more of a dick (I can admit that )

say it's for Kittle you dick

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:
I know some of you want Jimmy to come back this year. There's no doubt he's the best we have but the difference in scoring when Jimmy started vs Nick this year was about 2 points per game. Comparing Nick to last year when JG played a full season and the team was much healthier the difference is about 6 points per game. I don't see enough difference to try and bring JG back this year. I would rather see more of CJ and Nick. Let them each play half the game for the rest of the year so they can decide which one they want to keep next year.

They already know what JG can do and the chances of this team making the playoffs and advancing is really slim whether he starts or not. They may end up keeping him for another year so make sure he's healthy. Those ankle sprains can linger for a long time and there's also the chance he could injure something else if he goes back in and favors that ankle.

I don't see enough difference to try and bring JG back this year. I would rather see more of CJ and Nick. Let them each play half the game for the rest of the year so they can decide which one they want to keep next year.

you lost me there

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:

Originally posted by Milpitasbob:

Originally posted by Joecool:

Originally posted by Milpitasbob:

Originally posted by mayo49:

Originally posted by Mertonschickendance:

Originally posted by Joecool:
When is Jimmy coming back?

This week?

Week 15.

If they're the 7 seed by week 15 I'm not sure if I want Jimmy under center he might s**t the bed. Defense is getting healthy and Nick can move the offense. Stick with Nick

His ankle was a lot worse than Kyle thought it was. Kyle put him back too soon, which made Jimmy look even worse. He'll be fine just as long as he's 100% before he comes back.

Come on no more excuses for Jimmy I don't care how handsome he is. It's like if he plays well he's healthy, if starts to poop the bed then he starts limping. I'm over him. Nick for this year and Zach for next.

I agree. He looked okay the last time he played until he got hit on the lower leg again. They said it wasn't the same injury but a new one. Whether that's true or not, Kyle didn't force him to play. If a player says he's good to go and the doc's give him the okay then he plays. There are large numbers of players that go out there every week at less than 100% including some of the QBs. In the NFL, if you have to be 100% to play, you aren't going to play very much.

History is also littered not only in football but in all sports of guys trying to play through injuries that they covered up or tried to tough out and didn't work out so well. I mean and as far as the doctors go, it would seem the general sentiment here is they're kind of a joke when it comes to the 49ers doctors. Now, that may or may not be fair or accurate- probably isn't.

The reality is a bunch of (probably) heterosexual 49ers football fans don't care how handsome Jimmy is. The other reality is that with guys like Mostert, Deebo, Sherman, and now more still to come if those guys actually get and stay healthy and others come back, Sunday showed we're likely to win more games. Which means we almost certainly won't be in a position to draft Wilson unless NFL teams aren't as fond of him as the internet is. The final reality is that probably isn't Shanahan or Lynch's plan to start with so everyone can be free to dream on the internet. It likely ain't happening.

Originally posted by genus49:
This is a serious reach...

So now we want to pretend he wasn't great on 3rd down because his guys were able to get YAC to pick up a bunch of them? We still playing in a version of the WCO offense right?

Oh boy,...GREAT is a word that gets thrown around way too damn often here. Jimmy's never been great on 3rd down, or anything else.

There are rookies and 2 year players (like Metcalf) that are balling out right now, yet sensible people are still a little hesitant to declare them as great players.

The stats say what they say. Having 1 of the best couple of run offenses in the league and a YAC offense designed by Shanahan does not just up and make a QB that has some success in it "great."

He was good a # of times and did what was asked of him for a year before teams caught on by playoff time.

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

All QB prospects look good in college tho but thats not what i'm trying to get at

If JG couldn't throw like your stats say, then we wouldn't have no business winning as many games as we did. Coaches could easily take away the short game.. but they couldn't.

This year Bill belicheat exposed Derek Carr by double covering his check downs, but couldn't do anything against Jimmy. Some players can just win games, no matter what the stats say

Why could we not win like we did? I mean we did lol. Top 5 defense top 5 running game. A bunch of YAC machines that can take Jimmy's quick short passes for 1st downs. Film backs it up, data backs it up.

The Pats game where they ran it for like 200 yards and 80% of Jimmy's passing attempts where screens, shovel passes or had depth of like 4 yards? You mean the one where he threw 2 INTs and D help BB to 6 pts?

Look the team is better with Jimmy then Mullens or CJ that's pretty obvious...they could be a f**k ton better with a legitimate QB behind center.

Originally posted by Hysterikal:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by SkyZer0:

also dude look at the comment section of that article.

that guy's name is similar to yours and he's talking about nothing but ALEX haha

Oh hahaha.

Yeah not me...85 is for Vernon Davis

He doesn't sound like me though, I'm a bit more of a dick (I can admit that )

say it's for Kittle you dick

Haha I joined in here before Kittle was even playing at Iowa

Originally posted by NinerPrideinNJ:

I don't see enough difference to try and bring JG back this year. I would rather see more of CJ and Nick. Let them each play half the game for the rest of the year so they can decide which one they want to keep next year.

you lost me there

What I was trying to say was that we know what we have with Jimmy. I believe Nick and CJ are both free agents next year. We haven't seen a lot of CJ since 2017 and I'd like to see a little more of him. Maybe they already know that he can't handle the job. If so then they can cut him lose. I just want to make sure they keep the best guy as backup. That's assuming they don't let them both walk and draft another QB to back up JG if they can work out a way to keep him and his salary.

When I said I don't see enough difference I was saying that Jimmy isn't Mahomes or some other game changer that will make the difference between another SB and not making the playoffs. With or without JG I don't see this team going far even if they do make the playoffs. Without our best pass rushers and all the other injuries we keep having, I don't see it happening.

Originally posted by genus49:

I didn't laugh at Wilson's contract. I was hoping he'd go to NY lol.

And sure QBs get paid huge bucks and we know when those contracts come up it gets a lot tougher to field well rounded teams unless your drafting is terrific.

It will only get tougher as you're winning more games and picking lower.

However end of the day you want to have that problem. Cuz every 4-5 years drafting rookie QBs is obviously not sustainable. You're trying to get a guy who will be on your team for 15+ years and you hope to have the problem of having the QB who gets the most at his position when he comes up for a new deal.

Like I said, I get your point about our particular situation and I agree with it. It's the smart move but it's also a dangerous move. That's all I'm saying.

Most of the teams that made the switch to these QBs with success didn't have a proven winner who took them far even at a high salaried contract.

Alex Smith with KC is probably the closest comparison but Alex was pretty much a closed book and on the wrong side of 30.
Herbert - old man Rivers on the way out
Watson - crap
Murray - not even the best example since they owned #1 overall but they got a quick look at Rosen and said nope after taking him #10 overall(another horror story)
Wilson - just signed Matt Flynn...

Now I may be forgetting someone but the two examples sort of in our area is KC and Seattle. Wilson of course was a 3rd round pick so that worked out brilliantly for them.

Is there another team who had a guy that was a proven winner for them and they punted him for a young unproven QB?

What's a proven winner? One full season as a starter?

Is Wentz a proven winner or does he suck now? RG3 went 10-6 his rookie yr and brought them to the playoffs is he a proven winner?

Originally posted by SkyZer0:

Or Jimmy had a MASSIVE part in that happening as well lol. was he not known for that in 2017 as well? this is not one of the reasons we all fell in love with the guy for a short period

God it was so refreshing to have confidence in third and longs again.

I actually think it had more to do with the fact that he was much more willing than previous quarterbacks to make attempts throwing the ball into tighter windows.

perhaps that's what stood out to me (or us) the most?

either way, comparatively, you could say that the reason he was also top five was because of more attempts or his willingness vs what we've had for the past decade

His passing attempts are literally the one of the shortest in the league in 2019, especially on 3rd downs. I wouldn't call that a willingness to throw into tight windows.

At this pt who cares about 2017...that was 3 yrs ago and like 4 meaningful games

Hey I'll gladly eat crow if he comes back and balls out. Actually throws it downfield and wins games because of his arm.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
you say context.. but those stats still don't explain how he converted so many 3rd downs or win so many games. was just dumb luck.. was it just horrible tackling for 19 games in a row or was he finding the open guy to get the first down. what about first and 2nd down throws.. are those all behind the LOS also.

if Jimmy wore a head band saying I throw deep all game.. i'm sure you would all over him

Ahhh it absolutely explains it, if you read the description of what the stats mean.

Basically our playmakers made a ton of plays with the ball in their hands. Kittle/Deebo were two of the highest YAC receivers in football last yr, just about every catch Bourne made went for a 1st down. I mean are we gonna pretend like that wasn't a thing last yr lol?

That's what it's disingenuous to say he was top 5 in 3rd conversions without saying the skilled position players played a massive part in that. Not Jimmy's fault he was just running the plays.

Winning games is a team stat. Not sure how many times that needs to be said

Show me some stats on his 1st/2nd down throws? I know they ran the ball pretty well, setting up easy completions on 3rd down. Again not Jimmy's fault.

Finally, how dare I like a qb prospect that throws the ball more than 5 feet downfield lol. How dare I like someone that has good pocket feel, throws with anticipation and has great accuracy

Well this team don't win very often at all unless JG is QB.

And I understand the YAC sentiment but you can't denigrate a QB's performance on the grounds of the talent around him.

Would you slight Joe Montana by citing Roger Craigs running/catching out of the backfield and having two incredible receivers in John Taylor and Jerry Rice to throw to and make him look better?

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by Hysterikal:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by SkyZer0:

also dude look at the comment section of that article.

that guy's name is similar to yours and he's talking about nothing but ALEX haha

Oh hahaha.

Yeah not me...85 is for Vernon Davis

He doesn't sound like me though, I'm a bit more of a dick (I can admit that )

say it's for Kittle you dick

Haha I joined in here before Kittle was even playing at Iowa

It's called lying. I do it all the time

Originally posted by OhioNiner:
History is also littered not only in football but in all sports of guys trying to play through injuries that they covered up or tried to tough out and didn't work out so well. I mean and as far as the doctors go, it would seem the general sentiment here is they're kind of a joke when it comes to the 49ers doctors. Now, that may or may not be fair or accurate- probably isn't.

The reality is a bunch of (probably) heterosexual 49ers football fans don't care how handsome Jimmy is. The other reality is that with guys like Mostert, Deebo, Sherman, and now more still to come if those guys actually get and stay healthy and others come back, Sunday showed we're likely to win more games. Which means we almost certainly won't be in a position to draft Wilson unless NFL teams aren't as fond of him as the internet is. The final reality is that probably isn't Shanahan or Lynch's plan to start with so everyone can be free to dream on the internet. It likely ain't happening.

No question that football is the cruelest of all jobs. The say that few players are ever completely heathy after about the 3rd week. Injuries not only keep some off the field but their replacements sometimes end up taking their job. Every season you start over and what you did last year is quickly forgotten. That's life in the NFL and all the players understand that. That's why so many force themselves back into the lineup at the risk of their long term health.