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Originally posted by Heroism:
This entire thread is hard to watch.Ah, I see NY posted it a page back.
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Originally posted by Sinsation:
Originally posted by NYniner85:
He was one of the damn reasons we lost the freaking game...if SF isn't handing the ball off 100 times a game we're f**ked with him. Jimmy is 7-9 as a starter since 2018 when he has to throw it more 29 times in a game.
It isn't about having a bad game...it's constantly being inconsistent and leaving plays on the field. He's a game manager and when everything around him isn't great, this team is screwed. IF you're gonna be a game manager, you shouldn't be constantly in the top 10 in INT %. That's the one thing he is consistent at doing
So yeah I will say oh please...
I can't even call him a game manager at this point. Game managers take what the defense gives. They don't constantly make the absolute wrong read and still throw the INT. Like I said in my previous post, he's just guessing. And when he has a run game, KS gives him plays where he can guess and have a higher success rate. When he has to read/react at all, he's complete garbage.
Originally posted by NYniner85:
Originally posted by NCommand:
They have been pretty quiet for 4 weeks. Same in the Mac Jones thread.
A lot has built up since then.
Let them have this one and get it out of their system.
Hopefully we get back on track with our winning formula next week.
lol since when have I been quiet about Jimmy? I gave him praise the past month or so. I didn't think he played very will vs MINN and he was bad vs Seattle. Nothing this year has changed how I view Jimmy. He's inconsistent and has been for years.
Who gives a s**t about Mac? He gets to play the easiest schedule in football, has one of if not the best defenses in football, and a top 10 rushing team. He's not SF's QB and people need to give over it.
It has NOTHING about 'Letting this have this one" it's talking about the game and what the only problem really is (Jimmy Garoppolo). The QB is the only one.
Originally posted by Sinsation:yeah same here. starting to think he doesn't know the plays
Originally posted by NYniner85:
He was one of the damn reasons we lost the freaking game...if SF isn't handing the ball off 100 times a game we're f**ked with him. Jimmy is 7-9 as a starter since 2018 when he has to throw it more 29 times in a game.
It isn't about having a bad game...it's constantly being inconsistent and leaving plays on the field. He's a game manager and when everything around him isn't great, this team is screwed. IF you're gonna be a game manager, you shouldn't be constantly in the top 10 in INT %. That's the one thing he is consistent at doing
So yeah I will say oh please...
I can't even call him a game manager at this point. Game managers take what the defense gives. They don't constantly make the absolute wrong read and still throw the INT. Like I said in my previous post, he's just guessing. And when he has a run game, KS gives him plays where he can guess and have a higher success rate. When he has to read/react at all, he's complete garbage.
Originally posted by NYniner85:
lol since when have I been quiet about Jimmy? I gave him praise the past month or so. I didn't think he played very will vs MINN and he was bad vs Seattle. Nothing this year has changed how I view Jimmy. He's inconsistent and has been for years.
Who gives a s**t about Mac? He gets to play the easiest schedule in football, has one of if not the best defenses in football, and a top 10 rushing team. He's not SF's QB and people need to give over it.
It has NOTHING about 'Letting this have this one" it's talking about the game and what the problems really are. QB is a big one.
Originally posted by NYniner85:
Kurt Warner brought this up last week...what is it that Jimmy is actually seeing in his reads? Warner was confused on a lot of his passing attempts and why that was the read based on the coverage. I don't know enough about all that to have an objective stance on it...I do think Kurt might know something about playing the QB position.
Originally posted by NCommand:
Originally posted by NYniner85:
Originally posted by NCommand:
They have been pretty quiet for 4 weeks. Same in the Mac Jones thread.
A lot has built up since then.
Let them have this one and get it out of their system.
Hopefully we get back on track with our winning formula next week.
lol since when have I been quiet about Jimmy? I gave him praise the past month or so. I didn't think he played very will vs MINN and he was bad vs Seattle. Nothing this year has changed how I view Jimmy. He's inconsistent and has been for years.
Who gives a s**t about Mac? He gets to play the easiest schedule in football, has one of if not the best defenses in football, and a top 10 rushing team. He's not SF's QB and people need to give over it.
It has NOTHING about 'Letting this have this one" it's talking about the game and what the only problem really is (Jimmy Garoppolo). The QB is the only one.
FTFY
Originally posted by NYniner85:
Originally posted by NCommand:
Originally posted by NYniner85:
Originally posted by NCommand:
They have been pretty quiet for 4 weeks. Same in the Mac Jones thread.
A lot has built up since then.
Let them have this one and get it out of their system.
Hopefully we get back on track with our winning formula next week.
lol since when have I been quiet about Jimmy? I gave him praise the past month or so. I didn't think he played very will vs MINN and he was bad vs Seattle. Nothing this year has changed how I view Jimmy. He's inconsistent and has been for years.
Who gives a s**t about Mac? He gets to play the easiest schedule in football, has one of if not the best defenses in football, and a top 10 rushing team. He's not SF's QB and people need to give over it.
It has NOTHING about 'Letting this have this one" it's talking about the game and what the only problem really is (Jimmy Garoppolo). The QB is the only one.
FTFY
If you don't think he was a big part of the loss then that's all I need to know....
Originally posted by Joecool:
Jimmy has been playing well for 4 or so straight games. Every QB runs into a bad game. Even though he had a "bad" game, he brought us back in a position to win. SEA just made a better play and the refs crapped the bed at the worst times for us and at the best times for SEA.
Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:He knows the plays. That's not the problem. KS uses the motions and shifts to make it easier to recognize the defense. Jimmy then makes an educated guess on what the coverage is and then decides PRESNAP, where the ball is going. The problem is when he guesses wrong and still makes the bad throw, it results in those head scratching INTs. The run game and PA help hide this BIG deficiency.
yeah same here. starting to think he doesn't know the plays
Originally posted by 9ers4eva:Yes, I have also noticed how many big plays he leaves out there. Again, the only logical explanation for him not seeing it, is because he's not actually looking for it. He has already decided; the defense showed me this, I'm throwing it here.
What's worse than the bonehead plays are the one's he isn't making. So much is left out on that field. I don't know yet whether Trey can take advantage of those opportunities or not but im not going to pretend those misses, alongside the bad secondary, aren't the biggest factors in why the 9ers are 6-6.
Originally posted by 9ers4eva:
Originally posted by NYniner85:
lol since when have I been quiet about Jimmy? I gave him praise the past month or so. I didn't think he played very will vs MINN and he was bad vs Seattle. Nothing this year has changed how I view Jimmy. He's inconsistent and has been for years.
Who gives a s**t about Mac? He gets to play the easiest schedule in football, has one of if not the best defenses in football, and a top 10 rushing team. He's not SF's QB and people need to give over it.
It has NOTHING about 'Letting this have this one" it's talking about the game and what the problems really are. QB is a big one.
What's worse than the bonehead plays are the one's he isn't making. So much is left out on that field. I don't know yet whether Trey can take advantage of those opportunities or not but im not going to pretend those misses, alongside the bad secondary, aren't the biggest factors in why the 9ers are 6-6.
Originally posted by random49er:
Originally posted by a49erfan77:
Originally posted by random49er:
I mean I can certainly understand why you'd think so, but this is actually not the case:
Notice Travis' 80 yards rushing vs. us even though his 2 rushes vs. our main defenders went for minimal yardage.
So yes, this 73 yard run for a TD counts in the books in yardage and points against our (run) defense.
Keep in mind that you are allowed to keep your defense on the field on 4th downs in case of a fake. And naturally, stats and rule books can't discriminate based on the names on jerseys, but only by position played, at best.
You're going by stats, I'm going by common sense. If the defense isn't on the field, then the play isn't against the defense. It shows up in the stats because there is no 'rushing yards vs special teams' column.
??? Yea. I'm going by stats and the rule books. I said that from the beginning. You attempted to correct it,...I told you/proved to you the truth, and gave you a basis for why. I can pull up tons of other references but there is no need, as you can see it right above.
If a kick is not attempted, it counts as an offensive/defensive play. You are allowed to put your main defenders out there if you want. Teams do so all the time, and it is totally up to you as a HC on how you treat your 4th downs.
This is just a lil Football 101 lesson and it's over,...what more do you want?
Originally posted by CatchMaster80:
Originally posted by 9ers4eva:
Originally posted by NYniner85:
lol since when have I been quiet about Jimmy? I gave him praise the past month or so. I didn't think he played very will vs MINN and he was bad vs Seattle. Nothing this year has changed how I view Jimmy. He's inconsistent and has been for years.
Who gives a s**t about Mac? He gets to play the easiest schedule in football, has one of if not the best defenses in football, and a top 10 rushing team. He's not SF's QB and people need to give over it.
It has NOTHING about 'Letting this have this one" it's talking about the game and what the problems really are. QB is a big one.
What's worse than the bonehead plays are the one's he isn't making. So much is left out on that field. I don't know yet whether Trey can take advantage of those opportunities or not but im not going to pretend those misses, alongside the bad secondary, aren't the biggest factors in why the 9ers are 6-6.
That's a great point. There may indeed be plays that some other QBs might be willing to take a shot at but Jimmy passes on. Maybe he feels they're too high risk or maybe he just knows his limits. All I know is I see other QBs around the league make throws that we rarely if ever see Jimmy even attempt. Their QB rating might be lower but they're making plays that help the team win. I guess it doesn't really matter anymore since his time is growing short with the 49ers.
Originally posted by NCommand:
Originally posted by CatchMaster80:
Originally posted by 9ers4eva:
Originally posted by NYniner85:
lol since when have I been quiet about Jimmy? I gave him praise the past month or so. I didn't think he played very will vs MINN and he was bad vs Seattle. Nothing this year has changed how I view Jimmy. He's inconsistent and has been for years.
Who gives a s**t about Mac? He gets to play the easiest schedule in football, has one of if not the best defenses in football, and a top 10 rushing team. He's not SF's QB and people need to give over it.
It has NOTHING about 'Letting this have this one" it's talking about the game and what the problems really are. QB is a big one.
What's worse than the bonehead plays are the one's he isn't making. So much is left out on that field. I don't know yet whether Trey can take advantage of those opportunities or not but im not going to pretend those misses, alongside the bad secondary, aren't the biggest factors in why the 9ers are 6-6.
That's a great point. There may indeed be plays that some other QBs might be willing to take a shot at but Jimmy passes on. Maybe he feels they're too high risk or maybe he just knows his limits. All I know is I see other QBs around the league make throws that we rarely if ever see Jimmy even attempt. Their QB rating might be lower but they're making plays that help the team win. I guess it doesn't really matter anymore since his time is growing short with the 49ers.
Bingo.
Nothing new to see here. Never was. He's a slightly above average QB in this system which means he's going to have some really nice stretches and then bad Jimmy will appear and even things out. You'll never be out of a game with Jimmy but he can also be the very reason it's closer than it needs to be too.
Lame duck QB in a lame duck year.
Originally posted by CatchMaster80:
Originally posted by NCommand:
Originally posted by CatchMaster80:
Originally posted by 9ers4eva:
Originally posted by NYniner85:
lol since when have I been quiet about Jimmy? I gave him praise the past month or so. I didn't think he played very will vs MINN and he was bad vs Seattle. Nothing this year has changed how I view Jimmy. He's inconsistent and has been for years.
Who gives a s**t about Mac? He gets to play the easiest schedule in football, has one of if not the best defenses in football, and a top 10 rushing team. He's not SF's QB and people need to give over it.
It has NOTHING about 'Letting this have this one" it's talking about the game and what the problems really are. QB is a big one.
What's worse than the bonehead plays are the one's he isn't making. So much is left out on that field. I don't know yet whether Trey can take advantage of those opportunities or not but im not going to pretend those misses, alongside the bad secondary, aren't the biggest factors in why the 9ers are 6-6.
That's a great point. There may indeed be plays that some other QBs might be willing to take a shot at but Jimmy passes on. Maybe he feels they're too high risk or maybe he just knows his limits. All I know is I see other QBs around the league make throws that we rarely if ever see Jimmy even attempt. Their QB rating might be lower but they're making plays that help the team win. I guess it doesn't really matter anymore since his time is growing short with the 49ers.
Bingo.
Nothing new to see here. Never was. He's a slightly above average QB in this system which means he's going to have some really nice stretches and then bad Jimmy will appear and even things out. You'll never be out of a game with Jimmy but he can also be the very reason it's closer than it needs to be too.
Lame duck QB in a lame duck year.
The good and bad stretches will happen even to the best QBs. It's the limitations on the types of throws he can make and limited mobility that's always been my issue with him. The INTs were bad but like I said on another thread I saw Montana throw his share of them as well. Sometimes the ball just gets away from you and sometimes the defense does a great job of disguising what their doing. Just like the last play when Dunlap busted in and tipped the pass. They get paid to make those types of plays.
