Originally posted by RackofRibs49:
Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:
Originally posted by RackofRibs49:
Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:
Originally posted by RackofRibs49:
Originally posted by Waterbear:
I'll give you 100 dollars if you can prove Steve said that.
Stop doing this straw man BS.
I pointed out that Jimmy wins games this is his response.
Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:
.Team accomplishments are not the same as individual accomplishments.
He's literally saying QBs have no basis on winning and that's it's all the team that won Jimmy the game, not Jimmy... The team.
Now pay up.
Holy 5th grade reading comprehension level, Batman.
For anyone who wants to see the actual post instead of reading what ribs is lying about, the post is #114892.
In no way, shape or form did I say this:
Originally posted by RackofRibs49:
Steve say the QB has no bearing on wins ever.
Awesome so Jimmy is a reason that Kyle has a great record with Jimmy and an abysmal record without. That's a QB DOES in fact make an impact in wins and losses... You know, arguably the most important position in any sport? Right?
Most sports are team games but one position is far more important than the others. There's a reason Kyle is like 9-28 without Jimmy. Jimmy is the difference. Sure Beathard and Mullens but that only proves that a good QB makes a difference in w/l.
"Man, I think people got short-term memory loss or something because, before Jimmy came (the 49ers weren't good). . . . He saved us, i won two games, four games, and when Jimmy came he really turned it around, brought us to the point where we're at now."
-Armstead
The record literally backs this up and for anybody without a clear agenda its undebatable. The 49ers were terrible pre-Jimmy and were terrible injured Jimmy. With Jimmy... and yes the team most certainly helped... they were a play away(ones Jimmy missed) from a SB victory and another SB appearance.
Is Jimmy an all time great? No... Never...but he turned this franchise around more than any player on the current team.
That doesn't mean he "won the games" for the team. It means his predecessors LOST THEM.
I'm usually better way than Gore and will usually give at least try to give an actual counter argument unlike he has ever done but I just can't after this post. A walking contradiction lol. QBs don't win games but they can lose them.
Once again telling players like Armstead they are wrong.
Ffs
The degree to which nuance escapes you is baffling.
All it takes for a QB to lose a game for his team is to have a couple of ill-timed turnovers.
(Much like all it takes for a kicker to lose a game for the team is to miss the game saving FG. Should he MAKE the game winning FG, that doesn't mean he won the game for his team. It means he did his job. If he kicks SEVEN field goals, including the winner, THEN you can say that. Same thing with QBs. It's MUCH easier to lose the game for the team than be the main reason the team won it for a QB.)
Simply MANAGING THE GAME is usually enough to win, but that is NOT the QB being responsible for a win. That's the QB not losing the game.
As I already responded to you, THIS is what winning a game for your team looks like.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n1dp2ZKi0cc
The only time a win should count as a QB stat is if the QB CARRIES THE TEAM, if the QB MAKES MIRACLES, to LIFT HIS TEAM out of a situation the TEAM has no business rising from. EDIT—and I'll say it again: what Josh Allen did here in this loss is more than Jimmy has ever done in any team win in his life. The closest he came was the Saints game in 2019, and it pales in comparison to what Allen did here. Mahomes and Allen each were overwhelmingly responsible for the team's win. Thus, whichever one won should be given credit. Meanwhile, the team managing to escape with a win against the Cowboys was NOT because of Jimmy. It was IN SPITE of him. Whatever plays he made early in the game were erased AND THEN SOME by the victory-killing errors he made in crunch time.
I mean, why do you think THOSE types of QBs (Mahomes, Rodgers, Allen, etc) get consideration for MVP and Jimmy does not? Because MANAGING THE GAME isn't winning the game for your team. It's your team winning while you do your job just like everyone else.
[ Edited by 5_Golden_Rings on Apr 21, 2022 at 6:18 AM ]