Jimmy Garoppolo, QB, Los Angeles Rams

Originally posted by NCommand:
Nuclear off season.

Garoppolo stays on the roster and Deebo leaves. Brutal.

We need to extend Jimmy "I'm a winner" somehow.

Originally posted by RackofRibs49:

Originally posted by NCommand:
Nuclear off season.

Garoppolo stays on the roster and Deebo leaves. Brutal.

We need to extend Jimmy "I'm a winner" somehow.

You are too funny.

Originally posted by RackofRibs49:

Originally posted by TheGore49er:
Hopefully some GM reads that and finally offers some picks for Jimmy.

You better hope... .. .

Other GMs aren't combing through stats trying to make a case for Jimmy. They've seen enough film and know what he is. That's an above average QB who is injured a lot and is recovering from surgery. Big risk.

Originally posted by random49er:

Originally posted by TheWooLick:
Win percentages, do QBs have much of an influence on them or not?

Win percentage is a correlation stat in football,...not a causation one. You can literally be the worst-performing player on the field even as a QB and win football games.

You are big on facts, right? Well,....those are facts. Posting about them over and over will never change that. The only thing that would change it is if we completely changed the rules of the sport.

Needless to say.....the logical connections made here on this board over and over are pretty atrocious...



You really do fail in all 3 areas, and I sincerely hope it's purposeful.

But the most blatant one you are attempting over and over to get away with with this Win % stuff is the "Reverse Causality" fallacy.

This is what you're trying to do:



Cross out QB and insert any other position you want in there,....doesn't matter. It's just a logical failure and always will be.

If what you were trying to pass off was legit,...we'd have several teams or more fighting for his services.

But the other 31 teams clearly understand the logical pit here above that you are trapped in,...hence, the reason why we cant seem to get a 1st for him.

You either misunderstand reverse causality or misunderstand what people are saying. I don't see anyone saying, "a winning team causes Garoppolo to be good." People are saying, "a winning team is evidence that Garoppolo is good." Those are two different things.

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:

Originally posted by RackofRibs49:

Originally posted by TheGore49er:
Hopefully some GM reads that and finally offers some picks for Jimmy.

You better hope... .. .

Other GMs aren't combing through stats trying to make a case for Jimmy. They've seen enough film and know what he is. That's an above average QB who is injured a lot and is recovering from surgery. Big risk.

No argument here but I think a team will eventually need a guy like Jimmy either during the draft or during the season. Right now Jimmy being injured...again...and his contract aren't overly appetizing. If he was healthy the story would've been different but he's not healthy... again...

Say October and a guy goes down Jimmy's healthy and his contract becomes a lot easier to digest.

49ers are in no hurry... Especially with Antonio Brown Jr possibly wanting out. Unlike our fans they(the front office) understand that they can more than likely get something to better the team rather than ditch Jimmy because they feel victimized by his very presence like a few here

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:

Originally posted by RackofRibs49:

Originally posted by TheGore49er:
Hopefully some GM reads that and finally offers some picks for Jimmy.

You better hope... .. .

Other GMs aren't combing through stats trying to make a case for Jimmy. They've seen enough film and know what he is. That's a very good QB who is injured a lot and is recovering from surgery. Big risk.

FYP

Originally posted by Jakemall:

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:

Originally posted by RackofRibs49:

Originally posted by TheGore49er:
Hopefully some GM reads that and finally offers some picks for Jimmy.

You better hope... .. .

Other GMs aren't combing through stats trying to make a case for Jimmy. They've seen enough film and know what he is. That's a very good QB who is injured a lot and is recovering from surgery. Big risk.

FYP

Well he's pretty good when healthy but obviously there's a reason he isn't getting any offers. It has to be the injury history and the current rehab. The other issue might be that he's not young with a big upside. He'll be 31 and he isn't going to get better. Many teams prefer to take a gamble with a young player that they can pay less rather than paying big money to Jimmy and hoping he can stay healthy.

Originally posted by RackofRibs49:

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:

Originally posted by RackofRibs49:

Originally posted by TheGore49er:
Hopefully some GM reads that and finally offers some picks for Jimmy.

You better hope... .. .

Other GMs aren't combing through stats trying to make a case for Jimmy. They've seen enough film and know what he is. That's an above average QB who is injured a lot and is recovering from surgery. Big risk.

No argument here but I think a team will eventually need a guy like Jimmy either during the draft or during the season. Right now Jimmy being injured...again...and his contract aren't overly appetizing. If he was healthy the story would've been different but he's not healthy... again...

Say October and a guy goes down Jimmy's healthy and his contract becomes a lot easier to digest.

49ers are in no hurry... Especially with Antonio Brown Jr possibly wanting out. Unlike our fans they(the front office) understand that they can more than likely get something to better the team rather than ditch Jimmy because they feel victimized by his very presence like a few here

Or they can cut him and use some of that cash to boost the team before the season or during the season.

Originally posted by VinculumJuris:
You either misunderstand reverse causality or misunderstand what people are saying. I don't see anyone saying, "a winning team causes Garoppolo to be good." People are saying, "a winning team is evidence that Garoppolo is good." Those are two different things.

Huh? This is PRECISELY what the guy has been saying for YEARS now.

That our Winning Percentage with him means he's a GOOD QB.

Even if he is a GOOD PLAYER,....our Win % isin't evidence it in any way, shape, or form. It's logically a train wreck.

Originally posted by random49er:

Originally posted by VinculumJuris:
You either misunderstand reverse causality or misunderstand what people are saying. I don't see anyone saying, "a winning team causes Garoppolo to be good." People are saying, "a winning team is evidence that Garoppolo is good." Those are two different things.

Huh? This is PRECISELY what the guy has been saying for YEARS now.

That our Winning Percentage with him means he's a GOOD PLAYER.

Even if he is a GOOD PLAYER,....our Win % isin't evidence it in any way, shape, or form. It's logically a train wreck.

Misrepresenting the structure of your opponent's argument won't win you any certificates in debate club. But good luck!

Originally posted by VinculumJuris:
Misrepresenting the structure of your opponent's argument won't win you any certificates in debate club. But good luck!

Team Win % #1 -----> GOOD QB #2

How do you not recognize that this is what he is saying?

There is no misinterpretation at all. It's precisely his argument. Nothing to confuse.

Originally posted by random49er:

Originally posted by VinculumJuris:
You either misunderstand reverse causality or misunderstand what people are saying. I don't see anyone saying, "a winning team causes Garoppolo to be good." People are saying, "a winning team is evidence that Garoppolo is good." Those are two different things.

Huh? This is PRECISELY what the guy has been saying for YEARS now.

That our Winning Percentage with him means he's a GOOD QB.

Even if he is a GOOD PLAYER,....our Win % isin't evidence it in any way, shape, or form. It's logically a train wreck.

But without Jimmy our winning percentages are literally bottom of the league. With him it's tops. This is 100% fact. Explain it...

Originally posted by RackofRibs49:
But without Jimmy our winning percentages are literally bottom of the league. With him it's tops. This is 100% fact. Explain it...

In the way you want? Ok.

QBs Playing Bad -----> Bottom of the League Win %

That's what you wanted, right? Simple enough.

Originally posted by random49er:

Originally posted by VinculumJuris:
Misrepresenting the structure of your opponent's argument won't win you any certificates in debate club. But good luck!

Team Win % #1 -----> GOOD QB #2

How do you not recognize that this is what he is saying?

There is no misinterpretation at all. It's precisely his argument. Nothing to confuse.

That is a statement marshalling evidence. It is not defining causality.

Originally posted by random49er:

Originally posted by RackofRibs49:
But without Jimmy our winning percentages are literally bottom of the league. With him it's tops. This is 100% fact. Explain it...

In the way you want? Ok.

QBs Playing Bad -----> Bottom of the League Win %

That's what you wanted, right? Simple enough.

No that's dumb explain why the team was 3-24 before Jimmy came then they win 5 straight? What changed? Why did the team start winning the very gane Jimmy became starter and has been the case outside if injury?

You're making the stupid case that the team was winning before Jimmy. I'm making the case that he came in a started helping the team win.