Jimmy Garoppolo, QB, Los Angeles Rams

Originally posted by joanieb:

Originally posted by NYniner85:
Once they moved up for a QB in the draft, Jimmy was playing on borrowed time. One of the greatest assets in having a starting QB on a rookie contract is the money you can invest around him….they've already wasted a yr of that contract and here you are trying to burn another yr AND pay an avg QB $27M in FGTD cash lol.

You think Jimmy is gonna win us a super bowl? Honestly? He's been dreadful in the playoffs and has had his chances….if SF can find a trade partner he's gone and that's a fact. The league played musical chairs with starting QBs this off season and we couldn't even get a sniff for him….The only reason he's still on the team is because they can't move him right now. Period.

You say that Jimmy has been dreadful in the playoffs ... not true at all. In 2019 he beats the Vikings and Packers, but in 2021 he was better going on the road to beat the Cowboys and Packers as an underdog. That's a good record. When he looses to the Chiefs, he lost to the best team in the NFL and he did the same thing last year. OK, he's not No. 1, but he's not dreadful ... you might call him No. 2 at least in terms of playoffs. He's not dreadful, far from it.

His efficiency stats in those 6 playoff games plus the SB say otherwise.

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by joanieb:

Originally posted by NYniner85:
Once they moved up for a QB in the draft, Jimmy was playing on borrowed time. One of the greatest assets in having a starting QB on a rookie contract is the money you can invest around him….they've already wasted a yr of that contract and here you are trying to burn another yr AND pay an avg QB $27M in FGTD cash lol.

You think Jimmy is gonna win us a super bowl? Honestly? He's been dreadful in the playoffs and has had his chances….if SF can find a trade partner he's gone and that's a fact. The league played musical chairs with starting QBs this off season and we couldn't even get a sniff for him….The only reason he's still on the team is because they can't move him right now. Period.

You say that Jimmy has been dreadful in the playoffs ... not true at all. In 2019 he beats the Vikings and Packers, but in 2021 he was better going on the road to beat the Cowboys and Packers as an underdog. That's a good record. When he looses to the Chiefs, he lost to the best team in the NFL and he did the same thing last year. OK, he's not No. 1, but he's not dreadful ... you might call him No. 2 at least in terms of playoffs. He's not dreadful, far from it.

His efficiency stats in those 6 playoff games plus the SB say otherwise.

So I like Jimmy, but I don't think he's played well in the postseason at all. You can put it on Jimmy, the injurries this last postseason, the oline, or even Kyle for screwing with Jimmy's confidence.

First playoff game, Jimmy drives down the field in the first game and hits kendrick Bourne for a perfect drive and td. Jimmy then plays well until he throws a stupid interception in the red zone. Shanahan pics, takes the ball out of Jimmy's hands and the rest is history. He hardly thrown the ball against the packers the next week. At this point I think what Shanahan does is not reversible. Without another postseason shot, Shanahan drafts trey. So you can basically say the niners gave up on Jimmy after 1 postseason. The next postseason Jimmy was essentially injured and playing through a finger and shoulder injury in addition to the pressure knieibg hes a lame duck. In my opinion, Jimmy got a raw deal, but it is what is. He didn't play well at the end of the day in the postseason.

Pick any page between this one and 500 back and the exact same things are being argued. Some people just need to learn to let go.

Originally posted by JoseCortez:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by joanieb:

Originally posted by NYniner85:
Once they moved up for a QB in the draft, Jimmy was playing on borrowed time. One of the greatest assets in having a starting QB on a rookie contract is the money you can invest around him….they've already wasted a yr of that contract and here you are trying to burn another yr AND pay an avg QB $27M in FGTD cash lol.

You think Jimmy is gonna win us a super bowl? Honestly? He's been dreadful in the playoffs and has had his chances….if SF can find a trade partner he's gone and that's a fact. The league played musical chairs with starting QBs this off season and we couldn't even get a sniff for him….The only reason he's still on the team is because they can't move him right now. Period.

You say that Jimmy has been dreadful in the playoffs ... not true at all. In 2019 he beats the Vikings and Packers, but in 2021 he was better going on the road to beat the Cowboys and Packers as an underdog. That's a good record. When he looses to the Chiefs, he lost to the best team in the NFL and he did the same thing last year. OK, he's not No. 1, but he's not dreadful ... you might call him No. 2 at least in terms of playoffs. He's not dreadful, far from it.

His efficiency stats in those 6 playoff games plus the SB say otherwise.

So I like Jimmy, but I don't think he's played well in the postseason at all. You can put it on Jimmy, the injurries this last postseason, the oline, or even Kyle for screwing with Jimmy's confidence.

First playoff game, Jimmy drives down the field in the first game and hits kendrick Bourne for a perfect drive and td. Jimmy then plays well until he throws a stupid interception in the red zone. Shanahan pics, takes the ball out of Jimmy's hands and the rest is history. He hardly thrown the ball against the packers the next week. At this point I think what Shanahan does is not reversible. Without another postseason shot, Shanahan drafts trey. So you can basically say the niners gave up on Jimmy after 1 postseason. The next postseason Jimmy was essentially injured and playing through a finger and shoulder injury in addition to the pressure knieibg hes a lame duck. In my opinion, Jimmy got a raw deal, but it is what is. He didn't play well at the end of the day in the postseason.

I have stated in the past and I will state it again. I don't put all of the blame on Jimmy when it comes to the SB loss. His performances as a whole in the post season have been very uninspiring though. We have won those games mostly inspite of him. Imo, he does not get a pass because of his injuries. If he knew his physical limitations due to injury would limit the offense as it did, it makes him look even worse. Than when we are trying to find a trade partner, he turns around and throws a wrench into those plans by having a surprise, late surgery.

I really lost a lot of respect for him over this past year. I was all in on Jimmy during the 2019 regular season. He was a 3rd down converting machine. Then the 2019 post season happened. Then the 2020 season happened. Then the stuff over the past year that I previously mentioned happened.

Originally posted by YACBros85:
If he knew his physical limitations due to injury would limit the offense as it did, it makes him look even worse. Than when we are trying to find a trade partner, he turns around and throws a wrench into those plans by having a surprise, late surgery.

The idea that he intentionally delayed his surgery was somehow orchestrated by him really doesn't play. If I were to go back 500 pages I could find numerous references to medical opinions that the common treatment plan would be, lacking a clear need for surgery, to see if it would begin to heal on its own in 2-3 weeks. If not, surgery. The timeline fits this prognosis. Not Garoppolo's doing.

Originally posted by dj43:

Originally posted by YACBros85:
If he knew his physical limitations due to injury would limit the offense as it did, it makes him look even worse. Than when we are trying to find a trade partner, he turns around and throws a wrench into those plans by having a surprise, late surgery.

The idea that he intentionally delayed his surgery was somehow orchestrated by him really doesn't play. If I were to go back 500 pages I could find numerous references to medical opinions that the common treatment plan would be, lacking a clear need for surgery, to see if it would begin to heal on its own in 2-3 weeks. If not, surgery. The timeline fits this prognosis. Not Garoppolo's doing.

But he didn't inform the team, right? If so, that kind of undermines that argument.

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:

Originally posted by dj43:

Originally posted by YACBros85:
If he knew his physical limitations due to injury would limit the offense as it did, it makes him look even worse. Than when we are trying to find a trade partner, he turns around and throws a wrench into those plans by having a surprise, late surgery.

The idea that he intentionally delayed his surgery was somehow orchestrated by him really doesn't play. If I were to go back 500 pages I could find numerous references to medical opinions that the common treatment plan would be, lacking a clear need for surgery, to see if it would begin to heal on its own in 2-3 weeks. If not, surgery. The timeline fits this prognosis. Not Garoppolo's doing.

But he didn't inform the team, right? If so, that kind of undermines that argument.

This.

Originally posted by NotAFinga42:
Pick any page between this one and 500 back and the exact same things are being argued. Some people just need to learn to let go.

Yup, people can both understand Jimmy is who he is (avg starting QB) and also say hey thanks man for giving us QB play that wasn't on the level of JTO/Mullens/Hill and all the other s**t that was put out there for the past decade.

IMO if you don't have that elite/FQB, then you should do what you need to do to put yourself in a position to possibly get one via the draft or trade for one when that's an option.

I think some folks are just afraid that Jimmy won't be able to live up to his success he had here and that Kyle will find success without him. It will kill their narrative that Kyle needs Jimmy more than Jimmy needs Kyle.

Originally posted by YACBros85:
I think some folks are just afraid that Jimmy won't be able to live up to his success he had here and that Kyle will find success without him. It will kill their narrative that Kyle needs Jimmy more than Jimmy needs Kyle.

Or the opposite...

I'm still waiting for Kyle to have success with a qb other than Jimmy. look how great his hand picked qb that he traded up for in the 3rd round turned out.could it be there's a reason he wanted Kirk so bad? I've yet to have any confirmation that Kyle is able to hand pick a talented qb.

Originally posted by JoseCortez:

Originally posted by YACBros85:
I think some folks are just afraid that Jimmy won't be able to live up to his success he had here and that Kyle will find success without him. It will kill their narrative that Kyle needs Jimmy more than Jimmy needs Kyle.

Or the opposite...

I'm still waiting for Kyle to have success with a qb other than Jimmy. look how great his hand picked qb that he traded up for in the 3rd round turned out.could it be there's a reason he wanted Kirk so bad? I've yet to have any confirmation that Kyle is able to hand pick a talented qb.

Did you really expect a 3rd round QB to become a HOFer? Lets get real about that. Bringing up Cousins is ironic since that was a hand picked QB of his. Who, ironically, has had a longer and better career than the owner's hand picked QB drafted that same year. Also, I recall, Matt Ryan had his best season under Shanahan.

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by JoseCortez:

Originally posted by YACBros85:
I think some folks are just afraid that Jimmy won't be able to live up to his success he had here and that Kyle will find success without him. It will kill their narrative that Kyle needs Jimmy more than Jimmy needs Kyle.

Or the opposite...

I'm still waiting for Kyle to have success with a qb other than Jimmy. look how great his hand picked qb that he traded up for in the 3rd round turned out.could it be there's a reason he wanted Kirk so bad? I've yet to have any confirmation that Kyle is able to hand pick a talented qb.

Did you really expect a 3rd round QB to become a HOFer? Lets get real about that. Bringing up Cousins is ironic since that was a hand picked QB of his. Who, ironically, has had a longer and better career than the owner's hand picked QB drafted that same year.

Yes I did expect a 3rd round qb of a coaching genius to at least last in the league as a backup. He's barely hang9ng on.

Why does Kyle get credit for Kirk? Wasn't his father the coach? And what's so great about Kirk "Mr 8-8" cousins? He's safe, and that's about it.

Originally posted by JoseCortez:
Or the opposite...

I'm still waiting for Kyle to have success with a qb other than Jimmy. look how great his hand picked qb that he traded up for in the 3rd round turned out.could it be there's a reason he wanted Kirk so bad? I've yet to have any confirmation that Kyle is able to hand pick a talented qb.

Yeah let me know when HCs have sustain success by "hand picking" their QB in the end of the 3rd rd lol. Horrible example to poo poo on Kyle and you know it. That's like talking about Trent Taylor and saying he can't draft WRs.

He's drafted TWO QBS so far in his career as a head coach. One thing he has done is get the most out of every damn QB that has been put in front of him. That dates all the way to the Matt Schaub days in Houston. I wouldn't even call CJ a failure. He's a backup QB on his second contract in the NFL...not sure what else you expect for the 95 pick in the draft at QB.

Originally posted by JoseCortez:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by joanieb:

Originally posted by NYniner85:
Once they moved up for a QB in the draft, Jimmy was playing on borrowed time. One of the greatest assets in having a starting QB on a rookie contract is the money you can invest around him….they've already wasted a yr of that contract and here you are trying to burn another yr AND pay an avg QB $27M in FGTD cash lol.

You think Jimmy is gonna win us a super bowl? Honestly? He's been dreadful in the playoffs and has had his chances….if SF can find a trade partner he's gone and that's a fact. The league played musical chairs with starting QBs this off season and we couldn't even get a sniff for him….The only reason he's still on the team is because they can't move him right now. Period.

You say that Jimmy has been dreadful in the playoffs ... not true at all. In 2019 he beats the Vikings and Packers, but in 2021 he was better going on the road to beat the Cowboys and Packers as an underdog. That's a good record. When he looses to the Chiefs, he lost to the best team in the NFL and he did the same thing last year. OK, he's not No. 1, but he's not dreadful ... you might call him No. 2 at least in terms of playoffs. He's not dreadful, far from it.

His efficiency stats in those 6 playoff games plus the SB say otherwise.

So I like Jimmy, but I don't think he's played well in the postseason at all. You can put it on Jimmy, the injurries this last postseason, the oline, or even Kyle for screwing with Jimmy's confidence.

First playoff game, Jimmy drives down the field in the first game and hits kendrick Bourne for a perfect drive and td. Jimmy then plays well until he throws a stupid interception in the red zone. Shanahan pics, takes the ball out of Jimmy's hands and the rest is history. He hardly thrown the ball against the packers the next week. At this point I think what Shanahan does is not reversible. Without another postseason shot, Shanahan drafts trey. So you can basically say the niners gave up on Jimmy after 1 postseason. The next postseason Jimmy was essentially injured and playing through a finger and shoulder injury in addition to the pressure knieibg hes a lame duck. In my opinion, Jimmy got a raw deal, but it is what is. He didn't play well at the end of the day in the postseason.

the IRONY on this is that when KS10 needed to run the ball against KC, he puts it on Grappy's hand... so in so many ways, KS10 has gots to take as much blame as Grappy and that's what these followers needs to accept..

Jimmy was not all pro.. couldn't even be a Pro Bowler last year... but Shanny ain't GREAT.. so FARRRRRR from it..

. and I will always say the TRUE facts that Shanny had his chances to pull the plug on Grappy if he was not all in, had chance to trade for Brady and Staff but did NOT..

it can't be all on Grappy...

Originally posted by JoseCortez:
Yes I did expect a 3rd round qb of a coaching genius to at least last in the league as a backup. He's barely hang9ng on.

Why does Kyle get credit for Kirk? Wasn't his father the coach? And what's so great about Kirk "Mr 8-8" cousins? He's safe, and that's about it.

That's a lie he signed a 2 yr $5M deal last yr and currently the Jags backup.

It was well known Kyle pounded the table for Kirk...is he Josh Allen, no? but he's a starting QB in the NFL and has been for years. Last I check he just threw for 4,200 yards 33TDs and only 7INTs.