Jimmy Garoppolo, QB, Los Angeles Rams

Originally posted by Strwy2Hevn:
Day 16 Capt of the clipboard

famous last words

Originally posted by joanieb:

Originally posted by Strwy2Hevn:

Day 16 Capt of the clipboard

famous last words

Originally posted by jonnydel:
Egggsactly.

Again, I'll use the Bears as an example. Fields took 3 shots at Ward, all incomplete - didn't change how we played defense at all. The only time I can remember over the past 2 years any team doing that to us an us changing how we played defense was last year vs GB when Adams was abusing Lenoir. We've been a team that has scored around 28 ppg with Jimmy G not throwing the deep down the sideline throws a lot. That has a lot to do with staying on schedule, converting 3rd downs and keeping out of 2nd and 3rd and long all the time.

Has also had alot to do with having Kittle, legit homerun threats running the ball, not playing in horrid conditions every game, etc, as well.

Herbert cracked a rib last night. Every week there will be another dinged up starter that will start up the Jimmy trade talk.

Originally posted by jonnydel:

Originally posted by BoldRedandGold:

Originally posted by jonnydel:
No, those plays aren't less risky. The success rate of those throws is only like 35% league wide. You either need a speed guy, like Jerry Jeudy, Metcalf or a top tier WR who can win a bunch of different routes, like an Evans, Adams, etc. There's a reason you don't see Cooper Kupp running a bunch of fly routes. It also doesn't affect the defense when you just take shots. Fields took a # of shots at Ward on those throws Sunday and we didn't change the way we played defense, at all.

You run the risk of putting your team in 2nd and long and behind schedule or 3rd and long or 3rd down period to gain what? The LB's haven't been affected by that play. They don't have to now think about going and covering the deep 1/3 and the run.

Even if the catch rate is like 35% the pass interference rate is like 50/50 so that ups the play to successful 2/3 of the time. And those are either tds or huge gains.

It is significantly less risky than trey throwing 10 yards over the middle on his reads. All he has to do is throw to a spot and worry about where two guys are. The cornerback and the safety.

Over the middle he has to figure out where the lbs are the corners, linemen, how far each one has run. It's a literal minefield.

This is compounded way worse because of the zone running scheme. Basically most of our runs are off tackle. This incentives the linebackers to play deeper because it's more sideline to sideline.

Power up the middle draws them down to help plug holes. Zone running makes them sit deeper and makes it harder for lance to navigate the throw.

If you throw it up to ayuik or deebo and they know it's coming there going to win 90% of the time or more. They know it's coming and NFL corners rarely turn their head. the ball just has to be remotely close and even if it's underthrown they just fight through the corner and it's instant PI.

The thought was Jimmy was too inaccurate to throw 30 yard sideline passes to get.close enough to draw a pi or avoid an interception . Turns out Kyle just doesn't have any of those plays written in the playbook to deebo or ayuik there all to juice, kittle, or Jennings.

Ayuik and deebo must just be too fast to throw to deep.

I can tell you, I have Kyle's complete playbook, there are very, very, very few plays with fly routes that are even in the progression. There's a 4 verts concept where all 4 streaks are #1 in the progression and a sail concept. I think that's it, if I remember right. There's plays where those aren't even alerts, they're simply not even in the progression because they're clearing routes. There's many others that they're only streaks if the defense is in press-man, single safety. VS any type of zone or bump and run or 2-man they're comeback/curl/stop routes and even against press-man they're alerts.

Oh snap. JD dropping the ghost route knowledge.

Eric Davis talked about this a lot. He said once you gain experience, as a DB you learn quickly which routes are real and which are ghost (clearing routes) and when to abandon them in the play. This is why you see so many fans saying, "See, X was wide open!" after a DB just leaves that area.

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by jonnydel:

Originally posted by BoldRedandGold:

Originally posted by jonnydel:
No, those plays aren't less risky. The success rate of those throws is only like 35% league wide. You either need a speed guy, like Jerry Jeudy, Metcalf or a top tier WR who can win a bunch of different routes, like an Evans, Adams, etc. There's a reason you don't see Cooper Kupp running a bunch of fly routes. It also doesn't affect the defense when you just take shots. Fields took a # of shots at Ward on those throws Sunday and we didn't change the way we played defense, at all.

You run the risk of putting your team in 2nd and long and behind schedule or 3rd and long or 3rd down period to gain what? The LB's haven't been affected by that play. They don't have to now think about going and covering the deep 1/3 and the run.

Even if the catch rate is like 35% the pass interference rate is like 50/50 so that ups the play to successful 2/3 of the time. And those are either tds or huge gains.

It is significantly less risky than trey throwing 10 yards over the middle on his reads. All he has to do is throw to a spot and worry about where two guys are. The cornerback and the safety.

Over the middle he has to figure out where the lbs are the corners, linemen, how far each one has run. It's a literal minefield.

This is compounded way worse because of the zone running scheme. Basically most of our runs are off tackle. This incentives the linebackers to play deeper because it's more sideline to sideline.

Power up the middle draws them down to help plug holes. Zone running makes them sit deeper and makes it harder for lance to navigate the throw.

If you throw it up to ayuik or deebo and they know it's coming there going to win 90% of the time or more. They know it's coming and NFL corners rarely turn their head. the ball just has to be remotely close and even if it's underthrown they just fight through the corner and it's instant PI.

The thought was Jimmy was too inaccurate to throw 30 yard sideline passes to get.close enough to draw a pi or avoid an interception . Turns out Kyle just doesn't have any of those plays written in the playbook to deebo or ayuik there all to juice, kittle, or Jennings.

Ayuik and deebo must just be too fast to throw to deep.

I can tell you, I have Kyle's complete playbook, there are very, very, very few plays with fly routes that are even in the progression. There's a 4 verts concept where all 4 streaks are #1 in the progression and a sail concept. I think that's it, if I remember right. There's plays where those aren't even alerts, they're simply not even in the progression because they're clearing routes. There's many others that they're only streaks if the defense is in press-man, single safety. VS any type of zone or bump and run or 2-man they're comeback/curl/stop routes and even against press-man they're alerts.

Oh snap. JD dropping the ghost route knowledge.

Eric Davis talked about this a lot. He said once you gain experience, as a DB you learn quickly which routes are real and which are ghost (clearing routes) and when to abandon them in the play. This is why you see so many fans saying, "See, X was wide open!" after a DB just leaves that area.

If DB's are doing this on a consistent basis than why wouldn't OC's try to counter it? If they are just going to abandon the route because its a ghost route, why not take advantage of that?

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by jonnydel:

Originally posted by BoldRedandGold:

Originally posted by jonnydel:
No, those plays aren't less risky. The success rate of those throws is only like 35% league wide. You either need a speed guy, like Jerry Jeudy, Metcalf or a top tier WR who can win a bunch of different routes, like an Evans, Adams, etc. There's a reason you don't see Cooper Kupp running a bunch of fly routes. It also doesn't affect the defense when you just take shots. Fields took a # of shots at Ward on those throws Sunday and we didn't change the way we played defense, at all.

You run the risk of putting your team in 2nd and long and behind schedule or 3rd and long or 3rd down period to gain what? The LB's haven't been affected by that play. They don't have to now think about going and covering the deep 1/3 and the run.

Even if the catch rate is like 35% the pass interference rate is like 50/50 so that ups the play to successful 2/3 of the time. And those are either tds or huge gains.

It is significantly less risky than trey throwing 10 yards over the middle on his reads. All he has to do is throw to a spot and worry about where two guys are. The cornerback and the safety.

Over the middle he has to figure out where the lbs are the corners, linemen, how far each one has run. It's a literal minefield.

This is compounded way worse because of the zone running scheme. Basically most of our runs are off tackle. This incentives the linebackers to play deeper because it's more sideline to sideline.

Power up the middle draws them down to help plug holes. Zone running makes them sit deeper and makes it harder for lance to navigate the throw.

If you throw it up to ayuik or deebo and they know it's coming there going to win 90% of the time or more. They know it's coming and NFL corners rarely turn their head. the ball just has to be remotely close and even if it's underthrown they just fight through the corner and it's instant PI.

The thought was Jimmy was too inaccurate to throw 30 yard sideline passes to get.close enough to draw a pi or avoid an interception . Turns out Kyle just doesn't have any of those plays written in the playbook to deebo or ayuik there all to juice, kittle, or Jennings.

Ayuik and deebo must just be too fast to throw to deep.

I can tell you, I have Kyle's complete playbook, there are very, very, very few plays with fly routes that are even in the progression. There's a 4 verts concept where all 4 streaks are #1 in the progression and a sail concept. I think that's it, if I remember right. There's plays where those aren't even alerts, they're simply not even in the progression because they're clearing routes. There's many others that they're only streaks if the defense is in press-man, single safety. VS any type of zone or bump and run or 2-man they're comeback/curl/stop routes and even against press-man they're alerts.

Oh snap. JD dropping the ghost route knowledge.

Eric Davis talked about this a lot. He said once you gain experience, as a DB you learn quickly which routes are real and which are ghost (clearing routes) and when to abandon them in the play. This is why you see so many fans saying, "See, X was wide open!" after a DB just leaves that area.

If DB's are doing this on a consistent basis than why wouldn't OC's try to counter it? If they are just going to abandon the route because its a ghost route, why not take advantage of that?

One would expect that it is a timing issue. If the QB knows it is a clearing route his focus is probably going to be on the underneath routes that the deep route is making room for. Plus how long would it take for a DB to determine it was a ghost route and come off it? And how long would it take the QB to correctly make the determination that the DB has come off the route. And what is the pass rush doing? And if the plan is to "bait" the DB into thinking it's a ghost route but it really isn't then, by definition, it isn't a ghost route, it's a deep post or whatever. Where it might come into play is if the original concept breaks down and it turns into something off platform in which case, depending on the circumstance, like the QB not being in a position where he is running for his life. then he would have to have the presence of mind to remember that the clearing route might be open and have the time and ability to adequately plant his feet and get the ball down the field. That's just me guessing though. Jonnydel will undoubtedly have a better answer.

Originally posted by 49ers81:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by jonnydel:

Originally posted by BoldRedandGold:

Originally posted by jonnydel:
No, those plays aren't less risky. The success rate of those throws is only like 35% league wide. You either need a speed guy, like Jerry Jeudy, Metcalf or a top tier WR who can win a bunch of different routes, like an Evans, Adams, etc. There's a reason you don't see Cooper Kupp running a bunch of fly routes. It also doesn't affect the defense when you just take shots. Fields took a # of shots at Ward on those throws Sunday and we didn't change the way we played defense, at all.

You run the risk of putting your team in 2nd and long and behind schedule or 3rd and long or 3rd down period to gain what? The LB's haven't been affected by that play. They don't have to now think about going and covering the deep 1/3 and the run.

Even if the catch rate is like 35% the pass interference rate is like 50/50 so that ups the play to successful 2/3 of the time. And those are either tds or huge gains.

It is significantly less risky than trey throwing 10 yards over the middle on his reads. All he has to do is throw to a spot and worry about where two guys are. The cornerback and the safety.

Over the middle he has to figure out where the lbs are the corners, linemen, how far each one has run. It's a literal minefield.

This is compounded way worse because of the zone running scheme. Basically most of our runs are off tackle. This incentives the linebackers to play deeper because it's more sideline to sideline.

Power up the middle draws them down to help plug holes. Zone running makes them sit deeper and makes it harder for lance to navigate the throw.

If you throw it up to ayuik or deebo and they know it's coming there going to win 90% of the time or more. They know it's coming and NFL corners rarely turn their head. the ball just has to be remotely close and even if it's underthrown they just fight through the corner and it's instant PI.

The thought was Jimmy was too inaccurate to throw 30 yard sideline passes to get.close enough to draw a pi or avoid an interception . Turns out Kyle just doesn't have any of those plays written in the playbook to deebo or ayuik there all to juice, kittle, or Jennings.

Ayuik and deebo must just be too fast to throw to deep.

I can tell you, I have Kyle's complete playbook, there are very, very, very few plays with fly routes that are even in the progression. There's a 4 verts concept where all 4 streaks are #1 in the progression and a sail concept. I think that's it, if I remember right. There's plays where those aren't even alerts, they're simply not even in the progression because they're clearing routes. There's many others that they're only streaks if the defense is in press-man, single safety. VS any type of zone or bump and run or 2-man they're comeback/curl/stop routes and even against press-man they're alerts.

Oh snap. JD dropping the ghost route knowledge.

Eric Davis talked about this a lot. He said once you gain experience, as a DB you learn quickly which routes are real and which are ghost (clearing routes) and when to abandon them in the play. This is why you see so many fans saying, "See, X was wide open!" after a DB just leaves that area.

If DB's are doing this on a consistent basis than why wouldn't OC's try to counter it? If they are just going to abandon the route because its a ghost route, why not take advantage of that?

One would expect that it is a timing issue. If the QB knows it is a clearing route his focus is probably going to be on the underneath routes that the deep route is making room for. Plus how long would it take for a DB to determine it was a ghost route and come off it? And how long would it take the QB to correctly make the determination that the DB has come off the route. And what is the pass rush doing? And if the plan is to "bait" the DB into thinking it's a ghost route but it really isn't then, by definition, it isn't a ghost route, it's a deep post or whatever. Where it might come into play is if the original concept breaks down and it turns into something off platform in which case, depending on the circumstance, like the QB not being in a position where he is running for his life. then he would have to have the presence of mind to remember that the clearing route might be open and have the time and ability to adequately plant his feet and get the ball down the field. That's just me guessing though. Jonnydel will undoubtedly have a better answer.

I hope so. 😆 That is a lot of assumptions.

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by 49ers81:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by jonnydel:

Originally posted by BoldRedandGold:

Originally posted by jonnydel:
No, those plays aren't less risky. The success rate of those throws is only like 35% league wide. You either need a speed guy, like Jerry Jeudy, Metcalf or a top tier WR who can win a bunch of different routes, like an Evans, Adams, etc. There's a reason you don't see Cooper Kupp running a bunch of fly routes. It also doesn't affect the defense when you just take shots. Fields took a # of shots at Ward on those throws Sunday and we didn't change the way we played defense, at all.

You run the risk of putting your team in 2nd and long and behind schedule or 3rd and long or 3rd down period to gain what? The LB's haven't been affected by that play. They don't have to now think about going and covering the deep 1/3 and the run.

Even if the catch rate is like 35% the pass interference rate is like 50/50 so that ups the play to successful 2/3 of the time. And those are either tds or huge gains.

It is significantly less risky than trey throwing 10 yards over the middle on his reads. All he has to do is throw to a spot and worry about where two guys are. The cornerback and the safety.

Over the middle he has to figure out where the lbs are the corners, linemen, how far each one has run. It's a literal minefield.

This is compounded way worse because of the zone running scheme. Basically most of our runs are off tackle. This incentives the linebackers to play deeper because it's more sideline to sideline.

Power up the middle draws them down to help plug holes. Zone running makes them sit deeper and makes it harder for lance to navigate the throw.

If you throw it up to ayuik or deebo and they know it's coming there going to win 90% of the time or more. They know it's coming and NFL corners rarely turn their head. the ball just has to be remotely close and even if it's underthrown they just fight through the corner and it's instant PI.

The thought was Jimmy was too inaccurate to throw 30 yard sideline passes to get.close enough to draw a pi or avoid an interception . Turns out Kyle just doesn't have any of those plays written in the playbook to deebo or ayuik there all to juice, kittle, or Jennings.

Ayuik and deebo must just be too fast to throw to deep.

I can tell you, I have Kyle's complete playbook, there are very, very, very few plays with fly routes that are even in the progression. There's a 4 verts concept where all 4 streaks are #1 in the progression and a sail concept. I think that's it, if I remember right. There's plays where those aren't even alerts, they're simply not even in the progression because they're clearing routes. There's many others that they're only streaks if the defense is in press-man, single safety. VS any type of zone or bump and run or 2-man they're comeback/curl/stop routes and even against press-man they're alerts.

Oh snap. JD dropping the ghost route knowledge.

Eric Davis talked about this a lot. He said once you gain experience, as a DB you learn quickly which routes are real and which are ghost (clearing routes) and when to abandon them in the play. This is why you see so many fans saying, "See, X was wide open!" after a DB just leaves that area.

If DB's are doing this on a consistent basis than why wouldn't OC's try to counter it? If they are just going to abandon the route because its a ghost route, why not take advantage of that?

One would expect that it is a timing issue. If the QB knows it is a clearing route his focus is probably going to be on the underneath routes that the deep route is making room for. Plus how long would it take for a DB to determine it was a ghost route and come off it? And how long would it take the QB to correctly make the determination that the DB has come off the route. And what is the pass rush doing? And if the plan is to "bait" the DB into thinking it's a ghost route but it really isn't then, by definition, it isn't a ghost route, it's a deep post or whatever. Where it might come into play is if the original concept breaks down and it turns into something off platform in which case, depending on the circumstance, like the QB not being in a position where he is running for his life. then he would have to have the presence of mind to remember that the clearing route might be open and have the time and ability to adequately plant his feet and get the ball down the field. That's just me guessing though. Jonnydel will undoubtedly have a better answer.

I hope so. 😆 That is a lot of assumptions.

They're not assumptions, they're just questions. Well, actually, I guess the first one is an assumption. The rest are questions though

At this point if someone posted a video of Jimmy G at the strip club throwing $$$$, no one would care..
See the difference? 🤣

The HATE and Panic is REAL 🤣

Why hasn't anyone offered something for him yet? The story was as soon as he was healthy and able to pass a physical, teams would come knocking. Then it was as soon as there is an injury to another QB, their team would come knocking. He's healthy. Already had a couple QBs injured. Dallas is a potential playoff team, and they never considered him for a second. Why aren't any teams interested in him? They do know his winning % right?

Originally posted by NotAFinga42:
Why hasn't anyone offered something for him yet? The story was as soon as he was healthy and able to pass a physical, teams would come knocking. Then it was as soon as there is an injury to another QB, their team would come knocking. He's healthy. Already had a couple QBs injured. Dallas is a potential playoff team, and they never considered him for a second. Why aren't any teams interested in him? They do know his winning % right?

Dallas might come calling after tomorrow.

Originally posted by NotAFinga42:
Why hasn't anyone offered something for him yet?

Cuz we no trade jimmi. Comprende senor?

Originally posted by NotAFinga42:
Why hasn't anyone offered something for him yet? The story was as soon as he was healthy and able to pass a physical, teams would come knocking. Then it was as soon as there is an injury to another QB, their team would come knocking. He's healthy. Already had a couple QBs injured. Dallas is a potential playoff team, and they never considered him for a second. Why aren't any teams interested in him? They do know his winning % right?

Like who LMFAO? It's week two. Dallas is the only team with a need and it's only for a short time. To give up what the 49era want is probably quite a bit

Originally posted by NotAFinga42:
Why hasn't anyone offered something for him yet? The story was as soon as he was healthy and able to pass a physical, teams would come knocking. Then it was as soon as there is an injury to another QB, their team would come knocking. He's healthy. Already had a couple QBs injured. Dallas is a potential playoff team, and they never considered him for a second. Why aren't any teams interested in him? They do know his winning % right?