Jimmy Garoppolo, QB, Los Angeles Rams

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by dj43:

Originally posted by NYniner85:
Say bye to Bosa if you want to sign Jimmy to $30M per. Say bye to Jimmie Ward. Say bye to upgrading RT. Say bye to getting another CB. Say bye to upgrading anything. Say bye to Lance because you're all but telling him and the league he was a bust after 4 QRs of football….yeah I don't see this FO, ownership and coaching staff going in that direction.

if they win the SB, it then gives Kyle more breathing room to develop Lance and gives the team money to keep everything around the QB going long-term.

I disagree that resigning JG would mean we lose multiple other players.

Consider this: Let's use Stafford and Derek Carr as examples of mid-to-upper-level QB contracts. Both are getting paid $40M/yr. I would assert JG is better than either of those two, although that is not my main point. What I am suggesting is that we look at Garoppolo as being willing to stay here (he won't find a better spot) at $25-30M/yr. That plus Lance's $9.8M cap number for 2023 brings us to a QB tab of $40M/yr. Considering that we have no idea what we will get from Lance next season but we know what we have now with Garoppolo, is it unreasonable to pay the market rate for what we are now getting from Jimmy?

With the 2025 cap number projected to go from the current $208,000,000 to $256,000,000, there are multiple scenarios in which Marathe can maneuver those contract extensions, along with some options in a new contract for JG, to keep the guys you mention. Backload those contracts with that additional $46M in cap money and we keep winning.

Jimmy is still a big question mark , this is year 6 and a contract year.

Originally posted by dj43:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by dj43:

Originally posted by NYniner85:
Say bye to Bosa if you want to sign Jimmy to $30M per. Say bye to Jimmie Ward. Say bye to upgrading RT. Say bye to getting another CB. Say bye to upgrading anything. Say bye to Lance because you're all but telling him and the league he was a bust after 4 QRs of football….yeah I don't see this FO, ownership and coaching staff going in that direction.

if they win the SB, it then gives Kyle more breathing room to develop Lance and gives the team money to keep everything around the QB going long-term.

I disagree that resigning JG would mean we lose multiple other players.

Consider this: Let's use Stafford and Derek Carr as examples of mid-to-upper-level QB contracts. Both are getting paid $40M/yr. I would assert JG is better than either of those two, although that is not my main point. What I am suggesting is that we look at Garoppolo as being willing to stay here (he won't find a better spot) at $25-30M/yr. That plus Lance's $9.8M cap number for 2023 brings us to a QB tab of $40M/yr. Considering that we have no idea what we will get from Lance next season but we know what we have now with Garoppolo, is it unreasonable to pay the market rate for what we are now getting from Jimmy?

With the 2025 cap number projected to go from the current $208,000,000 to $256,000,000, there are multiple scenarios in which Marathe can maneuver those contract extensions, along with some options in a new contract for JG, to keep the guys you mention. Backload those contracts with that additional $46M in cap money and we keep winning.

Jimmy is still a big question mark , this is year 6 and a contract year.

Do you have a comment on the main point of my post, the role of Brian Griese?

Originally posted by Furlow:

Originally posted by dj43:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by dj43:

Originally posted by NYniner85:
Say bye to Bosa if you want to sign Jimmy to $30M per. Say bye to Jimmie Ward. Say bye to upgrading RT. Say bye to getting another CB. Say bye to upgrading anything. Say bye to Lance because you're all but telling him and the league he was a bust after 4 QRs of football….yeah I don't see this FO, ownership and coaching staff going in that direction.

if they win the SB, it then gives Kyle more breathing room to develop Lance and gives the team money to keep everything around the QB going long-term.

I disagree that resigning JG would mean we lose multiple other players.

Consider this: Let's use Stafford and Derek Carr as examples of mid-to-upper-level QB contracts. Both are getting paid $40M/yr. I would assert JG is better than either of those two, although that is not my main point. What I am suggesting is that we look at Garoppolo as being willing to stay here (he won't find a better spot) at $25-30M/yr. That plus Lance's $9.8M cap number for 2023 brings us to a QB tab of $40M/yr. Considering that we have no idea what we will get from Lance next season but we know what we have now with Garoppolo, is it unreasonable to pay the market rate for what we are now getting from Jimmy?

With the 2025 cap number projected to go from the current $208,000,000 to $256,000,000, there are multiple scenarios in which Marathe can maneuver those contract extensions, along with some options in a new contract for JG, to keep the guys you mention. Backload those contracts with that additional $46M in cap money and we keep winning.

Jimmy is still a big question mark , this is year 6 and a contract year.

Do you have a comment on the main point of my post, the role of Brian Griese?

Originally posted by JTB1974:
People are happy with Jimmy now but that could quickly change. Remember, regular season Jimmy is not the issue, Playoff Jimmy is.

Originally posted by Alfienator:

Originally posted by JTB1974:
People are happy with Jimmy now but that could quickly change. Remember, regular season Jimmy is not the issue, Playoff Jimmy is.

False, it's when bad Jimmy plays people are mad. Regardless if it's regular or playoffs

Originally posted by JTB1974:
People are happy with Jimmy now but that could quickly change. Remember, regular season Jimmy is not the issue, Playoff Jimmy is.

Originally posted by Furlow:

Originally posted by Alfienator:

Originally posted by JTB1974:
People are happy with Jimmy now but that could quickly change. Remember, regular season Jimmy is not the issue, Playoff Jimmy is.

False, it's when bad Jimmy plays people are mad. Regardless if it's regular or playoffs

Some people are even more mad when he does play well.

Originally posted by dj43:

Originally posted by 49ers81:
I never know what to make of Steve's comments these days. One minute he's all in on Lance and how Jimmy got 'fired' from the team because of this that and the other thing and how he isn't the guy to carry the team forward. And now this quote. You gotta love the fact that Steve remains a 49er through and through but I'm not sure these contrary takes really help the narrative around the team.

A lot of the usual suspects are in here giving Jimmy grudging credit for playing well while at the same time insisting he will inevitably return to what they deem his normal play. My take is that Jimmy is playing to his potential and that his current success doesn't surprise me at all. It is something he has always been capable of but which has occasionally been untracked by a tendency for errant throws and kind of head scratching picks. Clearly McCaffrey's presence has helped a lot by giving him a reliable check down option that keeps him from feeling he needs to try and force the ball into tight windows to make a play.

There has been a lot of chatter about a play you mentioned in your recent breakdown where Jimmy hit McCaffrey on a short route that picked up a first down when he possibly had an opportunity for a bigger play with Aiyuk further down the field. And of course all of the usual suspects are latching onto this as proof of Jimmy not being a "big play" QB. The situation isn't helped of course by the fact that career back-up, I never took any team to a playoff game, JT O'Sullivan chose to highlight that play and insist that any real QB has to make that throw. With all that in mind I would be curious as to your take on the current level of Jimmy's play. Is he actually playing better than he has in the past or is he just finally in a better position with McCaffrey's presence to utilize the traits he has always possessed?

One thing that I have been harping about for weeks, and Steve Young mentioned it down toward the end of his comments is the role that Brian Griese is playing in all this. He also recalled that he felt there was a lack of trust on Kyle Shanahan's part toward JG. Steve tied the two together and asserted that Griese has had a large role in building trust by teaching Garoppolo some of those details that had been lacking. For that reason, Young now believes Jimmy should stay here for 10 years.

Some of you may recall that I leveled criticism of Shanahan after his comment that he didn't care about the QB details as long as the ball arrived on time. Now, while there may be more to that, the fact we have gone through multiple QB coaches during Kyle's time here, with little or no improvements from any of them, speaks to the importance of good position coaching on the finer points of playing the position. Now enter Brian Griese and we see JG seeing the field, making reads and throws that he had not made previously with any regularity. Certainly the addition of CMC has had an impact on that, however, the QB still has to see the field and set up the throw. That is where Griese comes in. The fact Garoppolo is doing technical things he has not done before should inform us as to the value of the work Griese is doing. The light that is shining there is why Steve Young has now changed his view of the situation. The greatest proof of that was demonstrated in the AZ game where the running game was being stuffed in the beginning but Kyle was willing to put the game on Jimmy's shoulders to open it up by passing the ball, and that opened up an offense we have not seen before. Trust.

The timeline also points to the emergence of a better offense via better QB coaching. Garoppolo had no opportunity to work with Griese prior to the start of the season, and even then, it was not until the third week that they began working together daily. Over the succeeding weeks, the time spent together resulted in Jimmy acquiring those details just in time to put them all in play when CMC arrived. Perfect storm.

Originally posted by Furlow:

Originally posted by Alfienator:

Originally posted by JTB1974:
People are happy with Jimmy now but that could quickly change. Remember, regular season Jimmy is not the issue, Playoff Jimmy is.

False, it's when bad Jimmy plays people are mad. Regardless if it's regular or playoffs

Some people are even more mad when he does play well.

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by dj43:

Originally posted by NYniner85:
Say bye to Bosa if you want to sign Jimmy to $30M per. Say bye to Jimmie Ward. Say bye to upgrading RT. Say bye to getting another CB. Say bye to upgrading anything. Say bye to Lance because you're all but telling him and the league he was a bust after 4 QRs of football….yeah I don't see this FO, ownership and coaching staff going in that direction.

if they win the SB, it then gives Kyle more breathing room to develop Lance and gives the team money to keep everything around the QB going long-term.

I disagree that resigning JG would mean we lose multiple other players.

Consider this: Let's use Stafford and Derek Carr as examples of mid-to-upper-level QB contracts. Both are getting paid $40M/yr. I would assert JG is better than either of those two, although that is not my main point. What I am suggesting is that we look at Garoppolo as being willing to stay here (he won't find a better spot) at $25-30M/yr. That plus Lance's $9.8M cap number for 2023 brings us to a QB tab of $40M/yr. Considering that we have no idea what we will get from Lance next season but we know what we have now with Garoppolo, is it unreasonable to pay the market rate for what we are now getting from Jimmy?

With the 2025 cap number projected to go from the current $208,000,000 to $256,000,000, there are multiple scenarios in which Marathe can maneuver those contract extensions, along with some options in a new contract for JG, to keep the guys you mention. Backload those contracts with that additional $46M in cap money and we keep winning.

Jimmy is still a big question mark , this is year 6 and a contract year.

Originally posted by Sanfran_chrisco:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by dj43:

Originally posted by NYniner85:
Say bye to Bosa if you want to sign Jimmy to $30M per. Say bye to Jimmie Ward. Say bye to upgrading RT. Say bye to getting another CB. Say bye to upgrading anything. Say bye to Lance because you're all but telling him and the league he was a bust after 4 QRs of football….yeah I don't see this FO, ownership and coaching staff going in that direction.

if they win the SB, it then gives Kyle more breathing room to develop Lance and gives the team money to keep everything around the QB going long-term.

I disagree that resigning JG would mean we lose multiple other players.

Consider this: Let's use Stafford and Derek Carr as examples of mid-to-upper-level QB contracts. Both are getting paid $40M/yr. I would assert JG is better than either of those two, although that is not my main point. What I am suggesting is that we look at Garoppolo as being willing to stay here (he won't find a better spot) at $25-30M/yr. That plus Lance's $9.8M cap number for 2023 brings us to a QB tab of $40M/yr. Considering that we have no idea what we will get from Lance next season but we know what we have now with Garoppolo, is it unreasonable to pay the market rate for what we are now getting from Jimmy?

With the 2025 cap number projected to go from the current $208,000,000 to $256,000,000, there are multiple scenarios in which Marathe can maneuver those contract extensions, along with some options in a new contract for JG, to keep the guys you mention. Backload those contracts with that additional $46M in cap money and we keep winning.

Jimmy is still a big question mark , this is year 6 and a contract year.

you could've posted this without directly quoting dj

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by Sanfran_chrisco:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by dj43:

Originally posted by NYniner85:
Say bye to Bosa if you want to sign Jimmy to $30M per. Say bye to Jimmie Ward. Say bye to upgrading RT. Say bye to getting another CB. Say bye to upgrading anything. Say bye to Lance because you're all but telling him and the league he was a bust after 4 QRs of football….yeah I don't see this FO, ownership and coaching staff going in that direction.

if they win the SB, it then gives Kyle more breathing room to develop Lance and gives the team money to keep everything around the QB going long-term.

I disagree that resigning JG would mean we lose multiple other players.

Consider this: Let's use Stafford and Derek Carr as examples of mid-to-upper-level QB contracts. Both are getting paid $40M/yr. I would assert JG is better than either of those two, although that is not my main point. What I am suggesting is that we look at Garoppolo as being willing to stay here (he won't find a better spot) at $25-30M/yr. That plus Lance's $9.8M cap number for 2023 brings us to a QB tab of $40M/yr. Considering that we have no idea what we will get from Lance next season but we know what we have now with Garoppolo, is it unreasonable to pay the market rate for what we are now getting from Jimmy?

With the 2025 cap number projected to go from the current $208,000,000 to $256,000,000, there are multiple scenarios in which Marathe can maneuver those contract extensions, along with some options in a new contract for JG, to keep the guys you mention. Backload those contracts with that additional $46M in cap money and we keep winning.

Jimmy is still a big question mark , this is year 6 and a contract year.

you could've posted this without directly quoting dj

It has everything to do with his post. We will lose depth with not many high draft picks due to the Lance and cmc trades

do we risk it to sign a player in a contract year. Who is playing way above his normal play. Similar to the vide (not play) in 2017

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by Sanfran_chrisco:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by dj43:

Originally posted by NYniner85:
Say bye to Bosa if you want to sign Jimmy to $30M per. Say bye to Jimmie Ward. Say bye to upgrading RT. Say bye to getting another CB. Say bye to upgrading anything. Say bye to Lance because you're all but telling him and the league he was a bust after 4 QRs of football….yeah I don't see this FO, ownership and coaching staff going in that direction.

if they win the SB, it then gives Kyle more breathing room to develop Lance and gives the team money to keep everything around the QB going long-term.

I disagree that resigning JG would mean we lose multiple other players.

Consider this: Let's use Stafford and Derek Carr as examples of mid-to-upper-level QB contracts. Both are getting paid $40M/yr. I would assert JG is better than either of those two, although that is not my main point. What I am suggesting is that we look at Garoppolo as being willing to stay here (he won't find a better spot) at $25-30M/yr. That plus Lance's $9.8M cap number for 2023 brings us to a QB tab of $40M/yr. Considering that we have no idea what we will get from Lance next season but we know what we have now with Garoppolo, is it unreasonable to pay the market rate for what we are now getting from Jimmy?

With the 2025 cap number projected to go from the current $208,000,000 to $256,000,000, there are multiple scenarios in which Marathe can maneuver those contract extensions, along with some options in a new contract for JG, to keep the guys you mention. Backload those contracts with that additional $46M in cap money and we keep winning.

Jimmy is still a big question mark , this is year 6 and a contract year.

you could've posted this without directly quoting dj

It has everything to do with his post. We will lose depth with not many high draft picks due to the Lance and cmc trades

do we risk it to sign a player in a contract year. Who is playing way above his normal play. Similar to the vide (not play) in 2017