Jimmy Garoppolo, QB, Los Angeles Rams

Originally posted by dj43:

Originally posted by TD49ers:

Originally posted by ChillninDaBay:

Originally posted by TD49ers:

Originally posted by ChillninDaBay:

Originally posted by VinculumJuris:
Dude the conversation is obviously soaring above your head. I hate the ignore feature because it makes conversations completely disjointed, but your idiotic posts are doing more harm in this instance. Take care.

Even if Jimmy wins a SB at the end of this season with this stacked team, Jimmy is still limited Jimmy and nothing more. He only had 2 games in his career so far with 4tds and no int which included the game vs AZ last Monday with still less than 300 yds with ALL the YAC says all.

BTW I was going to do the same to you when you said unreal when facts are real but my ignore list is full, so go ahead and put my posts on ignore so we don't have to respond to each other anymore, bye bye 🤣

Come on!
Give him 40 million, 10 year fully guaranteed and the yellow coat.

Just stop.

Steve young is ridiculous 🤣
He 110% needs a MRI to check for CTE issues 🤣

I love Steve Young. Not about JG but he does seem alittle scattered in his opinions.

He isn't scattered. He is just recognizing that Brian Griese appears to have connected with JG in such a way that Young now believes Garoppolo can be the long-term solution. That is a change in position from where he was four weeks ago when the Griese impact was not as clear as it appears to be now.

I was not talkimg about JG in that context, just overall how he communicates his opinions. Maybe its just me.

Originally posted by VinculumJuris:
To what extent do you think your subjective perception of Garoppolo is informed by what you've seen in years when he's played through injuries?

To your second paragraph, Drew Brees probably has something to say about your blanket rule that quarterbacks can't improve much after being in the league for some period of time. The Chargers made a mistake and lost out on the hall of fame part of his career.

Before you or anyone else flies off the handle, I'm not comparing the two players. I'm attacking the rule that disallows quarterback development after some period of time.

Good post, especially the part about player development. If we were to adopt the position that players can make significant improvements in the level of play, we could get rid of half the coaching staff.

A guy likes Jimmy and suddenly he has brain damage.

Originally posted by TD49ers:

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:

Originally posted by mayo49:

Originally posted by TD49ers:

Originally posted by ChillninDaBay:

Originally posted by TD49ers:

Originally posted by ChillninDaBay:

Originally posted by VinculumJuris:
Dude the conversation is obviously soaring above your head. I hate the ignore feature because it makes conversations completely disjointed, but your idiotic posts are doing more harm in this instance. Take care.

Even if Jimmy wins a SB at the end of this season with this stacked team, Jimmy is still limited Jimmy and nothing more. He only had 2 games in his career so far with 4tds and no int which included the game vs AZ last Monday with still less than 300 yds with ALL the YAC says all.

BTW I was going to do the same to you when you said unreal when facts are real but my ignore list is full, so go ahead and put my posts on ignore so we don't have to respond to each other anymore, bye bye 🤣

Come on!
Give him 40 million, 10 year fully guaranteed and the yellow coat.

Just stop.

Steve young is ridiculous 🤣
He 110% needs a MRI to check for CTE issues 🤣

I love Steve Young. Not about JG but he does seem alittle scattered in his opinions.

He's a moron, never liked him as an analyst.

Literally one of the smarter Americans. Dude could practice law if he wanted. You have to follow the nuances of what he says.

And if he's "scattered" in his comments about Jimmy, maybe that's because Jimmy's play itself is fairly scattered?

He was a scholar at BYU from my understanding and I have heard that about him., that he is of high intelligence.

He has a Juris Doctor (like a PhD in science or an MD in medicine, but in law).

Originally posted by dj43:

Originally posted by TD49ers:

Originally posted by ChillninDaBay:

Originally posted by TD49ers:

Originally posted by ChillninDaBay:

Originally posted by VinculumJuris:
Dude the conversation is obviously soaring above your head. I hate the ignore feature because it makes conversations completely disjointed, but your idiotic posts are doing more harm in this instance. Take care.

Even if Jimmy wins a SB at the end of this season with this stacked team, Jimmy is still limited Jimmy and nothing more. He only had 2 games in his career so far with 4tds and no int which included the game vs AZ last Monday with still less than 300 yds with ALL the YAC says all.

BTW I was going to do the same to you when you said unreal when facts are real but my ignore list is full, so go ahead and put my posts on ignore so we don't have to respond to each other anymore, bye bye 🤣

Come on!
Give him 40 million, 10 year fully guaranteed and the yellow coat.

Just stop.

Steve young is ridiculous 🤣
He 110% needs a MRI to check for CTE issues 🤣

I love Steve Young. Not about JG but he does seem alittle scattered in his opinions.

He isn't scattered. He is just recognizing that Brian Griese appears to have connected with JG in such a way that Young now believes Garoppolo can be the long-term solution. That is a change in position from where he was four weeks ago when the Griese impact was not as clear as it appears to be now.

I first mentioned Griese's impact in here after the ATL game. Nice to see folks finally catching up.

Originally posted by dj43:

Originally posted by TD49ers:

Originally posted by ChillninDaBay:

Originally posted by TD49ers:

Originally posted by ChillninDaBay:

Originally posted by VinculumJuris:
Dude the conversation is obviously soaring above your head. I hate the ignore feature because it makes conversations completely disjointed, but your idiotic posts are doing more harm in this instance. Take care.

Even if Jimmy wins a SB at the end of this season with this stacked team, Jimmy is still limited Jimmy and nothing more. He only had 2 games in his career so far with 4tds and no int which included the game vs AZ last Monday with still less than 300 yds with ALL the YAC says all.

BTW I was going to do the same to you when you said unreal when facts are real but my ignore list is full, so go ahead and put my posts on ignore so we don't have to respond to each other anymore, bye bye 🤣

Come on!
Give him 40 million, 10 year fully guaranteed and the yellow coat.

Just stop.

Steve young is ridiculous 🤣
He 110% needs a MRI to check for CTE issues 🤣

I love Steve Young. Not about JG but he does seem alittle scattered in his opinions.

He isn't scattered. He is just recognizing that Brian Griese appears to have connected with JG in such a way that Young now believes Garoppolo can be the long-term solution. That is a change in position from where he was four weeks ago when the Griese impact was not as clear as it appears to be now.

I see Griese helping Jimmy to get the ball out as quickly as possible and maybe extend some plays if possible and DON'T make any of his signature bonehead decisions and plays like bad throws and decisions that leads to INTs, if that's the case GJ Brain Griese, at least the 9ers are getting their money's worth from Jimmy 1 last time and getting Jimmy's highest ceiling possible with a stacked roster, and too bad this year wasn't spend on developing Trey to become a true franchise QB.

Originally posted by TD49ers:

Originally posted by dj43:

Originally posted by TD49ers:

Originally posted by ChillninDaBay:

Originally posted by TD49ers:

Originally posted by ChillninDaBay:

Originally posted by VinculumJuris:
Dude the conversation is obviously soaring above your head. I hate the ignore feature because it makes conversations completely disjointed, but your idiotic posts are doing more harm in this instance. Take care.

Even if Jimmy wins a SB at the end of this season with this stacked team, Jimmy is still limited Jimmy and nothing more. He only had 2 games in his career so far with 4tds and no int which included the game vs AZ last Monday with still less than 300 yds with ALL the YAC says all.

BTW I was going to do the same to you when you said unreal when facts are real but my ignore list is full, so go ahead and put my posts on ignore so we don't have to respond to each other anymore, bye bye 🤣

Come on!
Give him 40 million, 10 year fully guaranteed and the yellow coat.

Just stop.

Steve young is ridiculous 🤣
He 110% needs a MRI to check for CTE issues 🤣

I love Steve Young. Not about JG but he does seem alittle scattered in his opinions.

He isn't scattered. He is just recognizing that Brian Griese appears to have connected with JG in such a way that Young now believes Garoppolo can be the long-term solution. That is a change in position from where he was four weeks ago when the Griese impact was not as clear as it appears to be now.

I was not talkimg about JG in that context, just overall how he communicates his opinions. Maybe its just me.

He tends to weigh both sides of an argument, so maybe i can see that. But he's, again, always thoughtful and lets the evidence guide him to his positions (along with his own insight as a former QB).

Side note about the 1994 team: center Bart Oates also has a JD. I wonder if any other QB/C combo had two
Juris Doctors.

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by Furlow:

Originally posted by YACBros85:
Sooner or later Jimmy is going to have to hit those wide open receivers downfield though. Just because we have had some drops earlier in the season doesn't mean we should abandon them completely.

He's hitting them a lot more this year than ever before. He's never going to hit ALL of them, all QB's miss throws. That said I do agree he should have hit Aiyuk on that post against Arizona.

I am not saying that he hasn't taken any this season. Probably more this season than in any other season. I really haven't seen him take any shots since the ATL game though. Perhaps I missed them? I just think he stopped throwing them because of all the drops and he would rather take the high percentage play. If the high percentage plays are there than keep taking them. But like I said, sooner or later he is going to have to hit those shot plays when they are open.

He did have the one deep pass on the left side to Jennings. The ball was there but Jennings did not time his leap properly to highpoint the ball.

The deep balls will come. We have seen more in these more recent games than we have before. One thing we must consider: Kyle believes in stretching a defense horizontally more than vertically. That leads to more openings for his preferred running game. Now that does not mean that vertical routes are not important as those keep the safeties deeper. It is all a matter of preference in the style of the offense. Hence, there will never be as many deep shots in Kyle's offense as in Bruce Arians' offense.

Originally posted by ChillninDaBay:

Originally posted by dj43:

Originally posted by TD49ers:

Originally posted by ChillninDaBay:

Originally posted by TD49ers:

Originally posted by ChillninDaBay:

Originally posted by VinculumJuris:
Dude the conversation is obviously soaring above your head. I hate the ignore feature because it makes conversations completely disjointed, but your idiotic posts are doing more harm in this instance. Take care.

Even if Jimmy wins a SB at the end of this season with this stacked team, Jimmy is still limited Jimmy and nothing more. He only had 2 games in his career so far with 4tds and no int which included the game vs AZ last Monday with still less than 300 yds with ALL the YAC says all.

BTW I was going to do the same to you when you said unreal when facts are real but my ignore list is full, so go ahead and put my posts on ignore so we don't have to respond to each other anymore, bye bye 🤣

Come on!
Give him 40 million, 10 year fully guaranteed and the yellow coat.

Just stop.

Steve young is ridiculous 🤣
He 110% needs a MRI to check for CTE issues 🤣

I love Steve Young. Not about JG but he does seem alittle scattered in his opinions.

He isn't scattered. He is just recognizing that Brian Griese appears to have connected with JG in such a way that Young now believes Garoppolo can be the long-term solution. That is a change in position from where he was four weeks ago when the Griese impact was not as clear as it appears to be now.

I see Griese helping Jimmy to get the ball out as quickly as possible and maybe extend some plays if possible and DON'T make any of his signature bonehead decisions and plays like bad throws and decisions that leads to INTs, if that's the case GJ Brain Griese, at least the 9ers are getting their money's worth from Jimmy 1 last time and getting Jimmy's highest ceiling possible with a stacked roster, and too bad this year wasn't spend on developing Trey to become a true franchise QB.

Trey has at least two more years to develop before a decision has to be made. Given the dead money, he'll be here next year regardless. If we can give Jimmy six years we can give Trey four.

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:

Originally posted by TD49ers:

Originally posted by dj43:

Originally posted by TD49ers:

Originally posted by ChillninDaBay:

Originally posted by TD49ers:

Originally posted by ChillninDaBay:

Originally posted by VinculumJuris:
Dude the conversation is obviously soaring above your head. I hate the ignore feature because it makes conversations completely disjointed, but your idiotic posts are doing more harm in this instance. Take care.

Even if Jimmy wins a SB at the end of this season with this stacked team, Jimmy is still limited Jimmy and nothing more. He only had 2 games in his career so far with 4tds and no int which included the game vs AZ last Monday with still less than 300 yds with ALL the YAC says all.

BTW I was going to do the same to you when you said unreal when facts are real but my ignore list is full, so go ahead and put my posts on ignore so we don't have to respond to each other anymore, bye bye 🤣

Come on!
Give him 40 million, 10 year fully guaranteed and the yellow coat.

Just stop.

Steve young is ridiculous 🤣
He 110% needs a MRI to check for CTE issues 🤣

I love Steve Young. Not about JG but he does seem alittle scattered in his opinions.

He isn't scattered. He is just recognizing that Brian Griese appears to have connected with JG in such a way that Young now believes Garoppolo can be the long-term solution. That is a change in position from where he was four weeks ago when the Griese impact was not as clear as it appears to be now.

I was not talkimg about JG in that context, just overall how he communicates his opinions. Maybe its just me.

He tends to weigh both sides of an argument, so maybe i can see that. But he's, again, always thoughtful and lets the evidence guide him to his positions (along with his own insight as a former QB).

Side note about the 1994 team: center Bart Oates also has a JD. I wonder if any other QB/C combo had two
Juris Doctors.

haha. Good point. I did not know that about Oates. Gotta be a trivia winner there somewhere.

VinculumJuris will have the answer.

Originally posted by dj43:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by Furlow:

Originally posted by YACBros85:
Sooner or later Jimmy is going to have to hit those wide open receivers downfield though. Just because we have had some drops earlier in the season doesn't mean we should abandon them completely.

He's hitting them a lot more this year than ever before. He's never going to hit ALL of them, all QB's miss throws. That said I do agree he should have hit Aiyuk on that post against Arizona.

I am not saying that he hasn't taken any this season. Probably more this season than in any other season. I really haven't seen him take any shots since the ATL game though. Perhaps I missed them? I just think he stopped throwing them because of all the drops and he would rather take the high percentage play. If the high percentage plays are there than keep taking them. But like I said, sooner or later he is going to have to hit those shot plays when they are open.

He did have the one deep pass on the left side to Jennings. The ball was there but Jennings did not time his leap properly to highpoint the ball.

The deep balls will come. We have seen more in these more recent games than we have before. One thing we must consider: Kyle believes in stretching a defense horizontally more than vertically. That leads to more openings for his preferred running game. Now that does not mean that vertical routes are not important as those keep the safeties deeper. It is all a matter of preference in the style of the offense. Hence, there will never be as many deep shots in Kyle's offense as in Bruce Arians' offense.

Furlow did a fine job refreshing my memory on a couple deep passes Jimmy has made recently. He also threw a few deep passes in the SEA and ATL games as well.

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by dj43:

Originally posted by TD49ers:

Originally posted by ChillninDaBay:

Originally posted by TD49ers:

Originally posted by ChillninDaBay:

Originally posted by VinculumJuris:
Dude the conversation is obviously soaring above your head. I hate the ignore feature because it makes conversations completely disjointed, but your idiotic posts are doing more harm in this instance. Take care.

Even if Jimmy wins a SB at the end of this season with this stacked team, Jimmy is still limited Jimmy and nothing more. He only had 2 games in his career so far with 4tds and no int which included the game vs AZ last Monday with still less than 300 yds with ALL the YAC says all.

BTW I was going to do the same to you when you said unreal when facts are real but my ignore list is full, so go ahead and put my posts on ignore so we don't have to respond to each other anymore, bye bye 🤣

Come on!
Give him 40 million, 10 year fully guaranteed and the yellow coat.

Just stop.

Steve young is ridiculous 🤣
He 110% needs a MRI to check for CTE issues 🤣

I love Steve Young. Not about JG but he does seem alittle scattered in his opinions.

He isn't scattered. He is just recognizing that Brian Griese appears to have connected with JG in such a way that Young now believes Garoppolo can be the long-term solution. That is a change in position from where he was four weeks ago when the Griese impact was not as clear as it appears to be now.

I first mentioned Griese's impact in here after the ATL game. Nice to see folks finally catching up.

Not to nitpick your good observation, however, in the Shanahan thread I have been critical of him for his failure to provide quality QB coaching in the past. Post probably goes back about six weeks.

Good to know we are on the same page.

Originally posted by dj43:

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:

Originally posted by TD49ers:

Originally posted by dj43:

Originally posted by TD49ers:

Originally posted by ChillninDaBay:

Originally posted by TD49ers:

Originally posted by ChillninDaBay:

Originally posted by VinculumJuris:
Dude the conversation is obviously soaring above your head. I hate the ignore feature because it makes conversations completely disjointed, but your idiotic posts are doing more harm in this instance. Take care.

Even if Jimmy wins a SB at the end of this season with this stacked team, Jimmy is still limited Jimmy and nothing more. He only had 2 games in his career so far with 4tds and no int which included the game vs AZ last Monday with still less than 300 yds with ALL the YAC says all.

BTW I was going to do the same to you when you said unreal when facts are real but my ignore list is full, so go ahead and put my posts on ignore so we don't have to respond to each other anymore, bye bye 🤣

Come on!
Give him 40 million, 10 year fully guaranteed and the yellow coat.

Just stop.

Steve young is ridiculous 🤣
He 110% needs a MRI to check for CTE issues 🤣

I love Steve Young. Not about JG but he does seem alittle scattered in his opinions.

He isn't scattered. He is just recognizing that Brian Griese appears to have connected with JG in such a way that Young now believes Garoppolo can be the long-term solution. That is a change in position from where he was four weeks ago when the Griese impact was not as clear as it appears to be now.

I was not talkimg about JG in that context, just overall how he communicates his opinions. Maybe its just me.

He tends to weigh both sides of an argument, so maybe i can see that. But he's, again, always thoughtful and lets the evidence guide him to his positions (along with his own insight as a former QB).

Side note about the 1994 team: center Bart Oates also has a JD. I wonder if any other QB/C combo had two
Juris Doctors.

haha. Good point. I did not know that about Oates. Gotta be a trivia winner there somewhere.

VinculumJuris will have the answer.

I have copies of old games and they mentioned that in at least one of them. That was an amazing team. Of all of them, that's the one I come back to the most when feeling like delving into past glory. I just hope to be able to see at least one Super Bowl win in present time (I was alive in 1994, but managed to miss that Super Bowl. Among my greatest regrets).

Originally posted by VinculumJuris:

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:

Originally posted by VinculumJuris:

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:

Originally posted by JoseCortez:

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:
I'm happy that Jimmy ias played well the past 3 games since that helps the team. However I'm not going to be fooled into thinking that after 8+ seasons he suddenly got better.

This is the same Jimmy G we've seen since he's been here.The difference is he's stayed healthy and he has more weapons now. Oh and he's not throwing INTS. This team is loaded on offense at every spot. Plus several players that were injured early this year are back now. The entire team is playing better including Jimmy but his skillset hasn't changed a bit. Same short accurate passes with the occasional 20-25 yard throw down the middle. Kittle, Deebo and CMC racking up the YAC.

Yeah. Sounds like you're happy.

This is only the third true season we have seen with Jimmy. The other seasons hen was behind Brady. So let's stop using those years as evidence for making him look bad. And the other years he was injured. Even the 2nd year (last year) was marred by injury. So let's pump the brakes a bit on claiming we know who Jimmy is.

Who's making him look bad? I just said he's the same player he's always been. He's gone 3 games without an INT so that in of itself makes him look better but he's not throwing any more accurately than he always has. He's throwing the same type of passes he always has. His recewivers are racking up the YAC as always and he has one more really good weapon in CMC.

I'm not about to put him in the top 10 list anymore than I am Geno Smith. Both are have good years but neither is a top 10 QB. Please don't star twitht he stats. I don't care about those. I'm sure there are areas that Jimmy is ranked high but there are also areas that he ranks low. I just don't think a QB can improve much after being in the league as long as he has and playing in the same system now for his 6th year. We know what he is and so does the rest of the league.

To what extent do you think your subjective perception of Garoppolo is informed by what you've seen in years when he's played through injuries?

To your second paragraph, Drew Brees probably has something to say about your blanket rule that quarterbacks can't improve much after being in the league for some period of time. The Chargers made a mistake and lost out on the hall of fame part of his career.

Before you or anyone else flies off the handle, I'm not comparing the two players. I'm attacking the rule that disallows quarterback development after some period of time.

Drew Brees switched teams and got a new coach and system. He didn't just magically get better. As far as Jimmy playing through injuries that was the end of last year not his entire career. He was injury free in 2019 and most of 2021. I see the same player now as I saw then. I'll say it one more time. Jimmy is playing well right now but that doesn't change who he is. As long as he's not forced to make big plays downfield and use his legs, he's more than adequate. With our defense and the way the receivers can run after the catch as well as the good running game, he probably won't need to throw those deep outs to win a game. That's fine with me but it doesn't mean I can't hope for an even better QB in the future.

My point is your version of "who he is" is subjective and is informed by your assessment of the evidence. It's an opinion, and we disagree regarding the importance of nagging injuries to a quarterback's throwing shoulder and thumb as well as a torn ACL.

I didn't say Brees "magically" got better. He got better as a result of a lot of changes, both to his environment and to his own game. To say a quarterback can't change his game within the same (ever-evolving) system is vastly oversimplifying the equation.

No one is trying to stop you from hoping for an even better quarterback in the future. The issue is you're disqualifying Garoppolo from being that guy despite recent evidence to the contrary, and that bias is based on your reductive rule about quarterback development.

You're right. My opinion is subjective based on what I see from week to week. Jimmy is good some weeks and just okay on most. That's not what I want to see. I want a QB that can break a game open with a big throw or make a run for 15-20 yards in a key situation. I know you can win without those things but I still like to see them. Most people do.

It's going to be interesting to see how he does if he leaves. Teams that need a QB probably aren't going to have the weapons that he has now. Will he be able to carry a team without all that YAC and a good running game? We'll see.

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:

Originally posted by ChillninDaBay:

Originally posted by dj43:

Originally posted by TD49ers:

Originally posted by ChillninDaBay:

Originally posted by TD49ers:

Originally posted by ChillninDaBay:

Originally posted by VinculumJuris:
Dude the conversation is obviously soaring above your head. I hate the ignore feature because it makes conversations completely disjointed, but your idiotic posts are doing more harm in this instance. Take care.

Even if Jimmy wins a SB at the end of this season with this stacked team, Jimmy is still limited Jimmy and nothing more. He only had 2 games in his career so far with 4tds and no int which included the game vs AZ last Monday with still less than 300 yds with ALL the YAC says all.

BTW I was going to do the same to you when you said unreal when facts are real but my ignore list is full, so go ahead and put my posts on ignore so we don't have to respond to each other anymore, bye bye 🤣

Come on!
Give him 40 million, 10 year fully guaranteed and the yellow coat.

Just stop.

Steve young is ridiculous 🤣
He 110% needs a MRI to check for CTE issues 🤣

I love Steve Young. Not about JG but he does seem alittle scattered in his opinions.

He isn't scattered. He is just recognizing that Brian Griese appears to have connected with JG in such a way that Young now believes Garoppolo can be the long-term solution. That is a change in position from where he was four weeks ago when the Griese impact was not as clear as it appears to be now.

I see Griese helping Jimmy to get the ball out as quickly as possible and maybe extend some plays if possible and DON'T make any of his signature bonehead decisions and plays like bad throws and decisions that leads to INTs, if that's the case GJ Brain Griese, at least the 9ers are getting their money's worth from Jimmy 1 last time and getting Jimmy's highest ceiling possible with a stacked roster, and too bad this year wasn't spend on developing Trey to become a true franchise QB.

Trey has at least two more years to develop before a decision has to be made. Given the dead money, he'll be here next year regardless. If we can give Jimmy six years we can give Trey four.

We gave Jimmy 4 years:

2018
2019
2020
2021

2017 was an audition and 2022 he was signed to be the backup. Don't let 49att's spam posting infect you.