Jimmy Garoppolo, QB, Los Angeles Rams

Originally posted by dj43:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by dj43:

Originally posted by TD49ers:

Originally posted by ChillninDaBay:

Originally posted by TD49ers:

Originally posted by ChillninDaBay:

Originally posted by VinculumJuris:
Dude the conversation is obviously soaring above your head. I hate the ignore feature because it makes conversations completely disjointed, but your idiotic posts are doing more harm in this instance. Take care.

Even if Jimmy wins a SB at the end of this season with this stacked team, Jimmy is still limited Jimmy and nothing more. He only had 2 games in his career so far with 4tds and no int which included the game vs AZ last Monday with still less than 300 yds with ALL the YAC says all.

BTW I was going to do the same to you when you said unreal when facts are real but my ignore list is full, so go ahead and put my posts on ignore so we don't have to respond to each other anymore, bye bye 🤣

Come on!
Give him 40 million, 10 year fully guaranteed and the yellow coat.

Just stop.

Steve young is ridiculous 🤣
He 110% needs a MRI to check for CTE issues 🤣

I love Steve Young. Not about JG but he does seem alittle scattered in his opinions.

He isn't scattered. He is just recognizing that Brian Griese appears to have connected with JG in such a way that Young now believes Garoppolo can be the long-term solution. That is a change in position from where he was four weeks ago when the Griese impact was not as clear as it appears to be now.

I first mentioned Griese's impact in here after the ATL game. Nice to see folks finally catching up.

Not to nitpick your good observation, however, in the Shanahan thread I have been critical of him for his failure to provide quality QB coaching in the past. Post probably goes back about six weeks.

Good to know we are on the same page.

My observation came mainly from Jimmy's sudden willingness to throw outside the numbers and take shots down the field. I also saw his footwork becoming more consistent and the way he was stepping into his throws.

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by dj43:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by dj43:

Originally posted by TD49ers:

Originally posted by ChillninDaBay:

Originally posted by TD49ers:

Originally posted by ChillninDaBay:

Originally posted by VinculumJuris:
Dude the conversation is obviously soaring above your head. I hate the ignore feature because it makes conversations completely disjointed, but your idiotic posts are doing more harm in this instance. Take care.

Even if Jimmy wins a SB at the end of this season with this stacked team, Jimmy is still limited Jimmy and nothing more. He only had 2 games in his career so far with 4tds and no int which included the game vs AZ last Monday with still less than 300 yds with ALL the YAC says all.

BTW I was going to do the same to you when you said unreal when facts are real but my ignore list is full, so go ahead and put my posts on ignore so we don't have to respond to each other anymore, bye bye 🤣

Come on!
Give him 40 million, 10 year fully guaranteed and the yellow coat.

Just stop.

Steve young is ridiculous 🤣
He 110% needs a MRI to check for CTE issues 🤣

I love Steve Young. Not about JG but he does seem alittle scattered in his opinions.

He isn't scattered. He is just recognizing that Brian Griese appears to have connected with JG in such a way that Young now believes Garoppolo can be the long-term solution. That is a change in position from where he was four weeks ago when the Griese impact was not as clear as it appears to be now.

I first mentioned Griese's impact in here after the ATL game. Nice to see folks finally catching up.

Not to nitpick your good observation, however, in the Shanahan thread I have been critical of him for his failure to provide quality QB coaching in the past. Post probably goes back about six weeks.

Good to know we are on the same page.

My observation came mainly from Jimmy's sudden willingness to throw outside the numbers and take shots down the field. I also saw his footwork becoming more consistent and the way he was stepping into his throws.

Jimmy has been here long enough to give us a great idea of who he is as a QB overall. He's played great for 3 games now, coincidentally since CMC arrived. I hope he keeps it up the remainder of the season and most importantly, THROUGH THE PLAYOFFS. If he does, speculation on him staying here would be warranted. Right now it's more like a battered wife thinking THIS time her husband really will change.

Originally posted by Furlow:

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:

Originally posted by ChillninDaBay:

Originally posted by dj43:

Originally posted by TD49ers:

Originally posted by ChillninDaBay:

Originally posted by TD49ers:

Originally posted by ChillninDaBay:

Originally posted by VinculumJuris:
Dude the conversation is obviously soaring above your head. I hate the ignore feature because it makes conversations completely disjointed, but your idiotic posts are doing more harm in this instance. Take care.

Even if Jimmy wins a SB at the end of this season with this stacked team, Jimmy is still limited Jimmy and nothing more. He only had 2 games in his career so far with 4tds and no int which included the game vs AZ last Monday with still less than 300 yds with ALL the YAC says all.

BTW I was going to do the same to you when you said unreal when facts are real but my ignore list is full, so go ahead and put my posts on ignore so we don't have to respond to each other anymore, bye bye 🤣

Come on!
Give him 40 million, 10 year fully guaranteed and the yellow coat.

Just stop.

Steve young is ridiculous 🤣
He 110% needs a MRI to check for CTE issues 🤣

I love Steve Young. Not about JG but he does seem alittle scattered in his opinions.

He isn't scattered. He is just recognizing that Brian Griese appears to have connected with JG in such a way that Young now believes Garoppolo can be the long-term solution. That is a change in position from where he was four weeks ago when the Griese impact was not as clear as it appears to be now.

I see Griese helping Jimmy to get the ball out as quickly as possible and maybe extend some plays if possible and DON'T make any of his signature bonehead decisions and plays like bad throws and decisions that leads to INTs, if that's the case GJ Brain Griese, at least the 9ers are getting their money's worth from Jimmy 1 last time and getting Jimmy's highest ceiling possible with a stacked roster, and too bad this year wasn't spend on developing Trey to become a true franchise QB.

Trey has at least two more years to develop before a decision has to be made. Given the dead money, he'll be here next year regardless. If we can give Jimmy six years we can give Trey four.

We gave Jimmy 4 years:

2018
2019
2020
2021

2017 was an audition and 2022 he was signed to be the backup. Don't let 49att's spam posting infect you.

I see no reason why 2017 doesn't count, as 2018-2021 were audition years too.

And 2022 is still an audition year, just like Trey's 5th year option will be (in that QBs get their contract after year three or four usually).

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:

Originally posted by Furlow:

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:

Originally posted by ChillninDaBay:

Originally posted by dj43:

Originally posted by TD49ers:

Originally posted by ChillninDaBay:

Originally posted by TD49ers:

Originally posted by ChillninDaBay:

Originally posted by VinculumJuris:
Dude the conversation is obviously soaring above your head. I hate the ignore feature because it makes conversations completely disjointed, but your idiotic posts are doing more harm in this instance. Take care.

Even if Jimmy wins a SB at the end of this season with this stacked team, Jimmy is still limited Jimmy and nothing more. He only had 2 games in his career so far with 4tds and no int which included the game vs AZ last Monday with still less than 300 yds with ALL the YAC says all.

BTW I was going to do the same to you when you said unreal when facts are real but my ignore list is full, so go ahead and put my posts on ignore so we don't have to respond to each other anymore, bye bye 🤣

Come on!
Give him 40 million, 10 year fully guaranteed and the yellow coat.

Just stop.

Steve young is ridiculous 🤣
He 110% needs a MRI to check for CTE issues 🤣

I love Steve Young. Not about JG but he does seem alittle scattered in his opinions.

He isn't scattered. He is just recognizing that Brian Griese appears to have connected with JG in such a way that Young now believes Garoppolo can be the long-term solution. That is a change in position from where he was four weeks ago when the Griese impact was not as clear as it appears to be now.

I see Griese helping Jimmy to get the ball out as quickly as possible and maybe extend some plays if possible and DON'T make any of his signature bonehead decisions and plays like bad throws and decisions that leads to INTs, if that's the case GJ Brain Griese, at least the 9ers are getting their money's worth from Jimmy 1 last time and getting Jimmy's highest ceiling possible with a stacked roster, and too bad this year wasn't spend on developing Trey to become a true franchise QB.

Trey has at least two more years to develop before a decision has to be made. Given the dead money, he'll be here next year regardless. If we can give Jimmy six years we can give Trey four.

We gave Jimmy 4 years:

2018
2019
2020
2021

2017 was an audition and 2022 he was signed to be the backup. Don't let 49att's spam posting infect you.

I see no reason why 2017 doesn't count, as 2018-2021 were audition years too.

And 2022 is still an audition year, just like Trey's 5th year option will be (in that QBs get their contract after year three or four usually).

2017 was 5 games, we were out of the playoffs, and he was a free agent going into that off season. So we didn't "give" him anything until AFTER that season. And you're right, 2022 is also an audition year so why would you count that as a year we're "giving" him to develop? We didn't, it was given to Trey.

Originally posted by NotAFinga42:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by dj43:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by dj43:

Originally posted by TD49ers:

Originally posted by ChillninDaBay:

Originally posted by TD49ers:

Originally posted by ChillninDaBay:

Originally posted by VinculumJuris:
Dude the conversation is obviously soaring above your head. I hate the ignore feature because it makes conversations completely disjointed, but your idiotic posts are doing more harm in this instance. Take care.

Even if Jimmy wins a SB at the end of this season with this stacked team, Jimmy is still limited Jimmy and nothing more. He only had 2 games in his career so far with 4tds and no int which included the game vs AZ last Monday with still less than 300 yds with ALL the YAC says all.

BTW I was going to do the same to you when you said unreal when facts are real but my ignore list is full, so go ahead and put my posts on ignore so we don't have to respond to each other anymore, bye bye 🤣

Come on!
Give him 40 million, 10 year fully guaranteed and the yellow coat.

Just stop.

Steve young is ridiculous 🤣
He 110% needs a MRI to check for CTE issues 🤣

I love Steve Young. Not about JG but he does seem alittle scattered in his opinions.

He isn't scattered. He is just recognizing that Brian Griese appears to have connected with JG in such a way that Young now believes Garoppolo can be the long-term solution. That is a change in position from where he was four weeks ago when the Griese impact was not as clear as it appears to be now.

I first mentioned Griese's impact in here after the ATL game. Nice to see folks finally catching up.

Not to nitpick your good observation, however, in the Shanahan thread I have been critical of him for his failure to provide quality QB coaching in the past. Post probably goes back about six weeks.

Good to know we are on the same page.

My observation came mainly from Jimmy's sudden willingness to throw outside the numbers and take shots down the field. I also saw his footwork becoming more consistent and the way he was stepping into his throws.

Jimmy has been here long enough to give us a great idea of who he is as a QB overall. He's played great for 3 games now, coincidentally since CMC arrived. I hope he keeps it up the remainder of the season and most importantly, THROUGH THE PLAYOFFS. If he does, speculation on him staying here would be warranted. Right now it's more like a battered wife thinking THIS time her husband really will change.

Originally posted by NotAFinga42:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by dj43:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by dj43:

Originally posted by TD49ers:

Originally posted by ChillninDaBay:

Originally posted by TD49ers:

Originally posted by ChillninDaBay:

Originally posted by VinculumJuris:
Dude the conversation is obviously soaring above your head. I hate the ignore feature because it makes conversations completely disjointed, but your idiotic posts are doing more harm in this instance. Take care.

Even if Jimmy wins a SB at the end of this season with this stacked team, Jimmy is still limited Jimmy and nothing more. He only had 2 games in his career so far with 4tds and no int which included the game vs AZ last Monday with still less than 300 yds with ALL the YAC says all.

BTW I was going to do the same to you when you said unreal when facts are real but my ignore list is full, so go ahead and put my posts on ignore so we don't have to respond to each other anymore, bye bye 🤣

Come on!
Give him 40 million, 10 year fully guaranteed and the yellow coat.

Just stop.

Steve young is ridiculous 🤣
He 110% needs a MRI to check for CTE issues 🤣

I love Steve Young. Not about JG but he does seem alittle scattered in his opinions.

He isn't scattered. He is just recognizing that Brian Griese appears to have connected with JG in such a way that Young now believes Garoppolo can be the long-term solution. That is a change in position from where he was four weeks ago when the Griese impact was not as clear as it appears to be now.

I first mentioned Griese's impact in here after the ATL game. Nice to see folks finally catching up.

Not to nitpick your good observation, however, in the Shanahan thread I have been critical of him for his failure to provide quality QB coaching in the past. Post probably goes back about six weeks.

Good to know we are on the same page.

My observation came mainly from Jimmy's sudden willingness to throw outside the numbers and take shots down the field. I also saw his footwork becoming more consistent and the way he was stepping into his throws.

Jimmy has been here long enough to give us a great idea of who he is as a QB overall. He's played great for 3 games now, coincidentally since CMC arrived. I hope he keeps it up the remainder of the season and most importantly, THROUGH THE PLAYOFFS. If he does, speculation on him staying here would be warranted. Right now it's more like a battered wife thinking THIS time her husband really will change.

Um...what? These observations came well before CMC arrived. Has CMC made an impact? Most certainly. But Jimmy's game was starting to evolve well before then.

As far as Jimmy's future. I find it hard to believe he will be back next year due to cap reasons. Although, I did not think he'd take the paycut he did to stay here through this year. So who knows?

Originally posted by Furlow:

Originally posted by NotAFinga42:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by dj43:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by dj43:

Originally posted by TD49ers:

Originally posted by ChillninDaBay:

Originally posted by TD49ers:

Originally posted by ChillninDaBay:

Originally posted by VinculumJuris:
Dude the conversation is obviously soaring above your head. I hate the ignore feature because it makes conversations completely disjointed, but your idiotic posts are doing more harm in this instance. Take care.

Even if Jimmy wins a SB at the end of this season with this stacked team, Jimmy is still limited Jimmy and nothing more. He only had 2 games in his career so far with 4tds and no int which included the game vs AZ last Monday with still less than 300 yds with ALL the YAC says all.

BTW I was going to do the same to you when you said unreal when facts are real but my ignore list is full, so go ahead and put my posts on ignore so we don't have to respond to each other anymore, bye bye 🤣

Come on!
Give him 40 million, 10 year fully guaranteed and the yellow coat.

Just stop.

Steve young is ridiculous 🤣
He 110% needs a MRI to check for CTE issues 🤣

I love Steve Young. Not about JG but he does seem alittle scattered in his opinions.

He isn't scattered. He is just recognizing that Brian Griese appears to have connected with JG in such a way that Young now believes Garoppolo can be the long-term solution. That is a change in position from where he was four weeks ago when the Griese impact was not as clear as it appears to be now.

I first mentioned Griese's impact in here after the ATL game. Nice to see folks finally catching up.

Not to nitpick your good observation, however, in the Shanahan thread I have been critical of him for his failure to provide quality QB coaching in the past. Post probably goes back about six weeks.

Good to know we are on the same page.

My observation came mainly from Jimmy's sudden willingness to throw outside the numbers and take shots down the field. I also saw his footwork becoming more consistent and the way he was stepping into his throws.

Jimmy has been here long enough to give us a great idea of who he is as a QB overall. He's played great for 3 games now, coincidentally since CMC arrived. I hope he keeps it up the remainder of the season and most importantly, THROUGH THE PLAYOFFS. If he does, speculation on him staying here would be warranted. Right now it's more like a battered wife thinking THIS time her husband really will change.

Originally posted by YACBros85:
Um...what? These observations came well before CMC arrived. Has CMC made an impact? Most certainly. But Jimmy's game was starting to evolve well before then.

As far as Jimmy's future. I find it hard to believe he will be back next year due to cap reasons. Although, I did not think he'd take the paycut he did to stay here through this year. So who knows?

I look at the numbers and end result more than footwork and mechanics. Could care less how his form is if he's throwing pics and losing games. And his numbers started getting better when CMC arrived. His longest career streak without an interception is a whopping 3 games now.

Originally posted by NotAFinga42:

Originally posted by YACBros85:
Um...what? These observations came well before CMC arrived. Has CMC made an impact? Most certainly. But Jimmy's game was starting to evolve well before then.

As far as Jimmy's future. I find it hard to believe he will be back next year due to cap reasons. Although, I did not think he'd take the paycut he did to stay here through this year. So who knows?

I look at the numbers and end result more than footwork and mechanics. Could care less how his form is if he's throwing pics and losing games. And his numbers started getting better when CMC arrived. His longest career streak without an interception is a whopping 3 games now.

No. That is not true. His turnover worthy plays as well as INT percentage has been down all season. Because he has been more willing to make passes deep and outside the numbers is probably the biggest contributing factor to his turnover and turnover worthy plays being career lows this season. The middle of the field was becoming more and more congested and were the leading cause of a majority of his turnovers. These changes were noticeable well before the arrival of CMC but apparently you haven't been paying attention or looking at the numbers.

Originally posted by Furlow:

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:

Originally posted by Furlow:

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:

Originally posted by ChillninDaBay:

Originally posted by dj43:

Originally posted by TD49ers:

Originally posted by ChillninDaBay:

Originally posted by TD49ers:

Originally posted by ChillninDaBay:

Originally posted by VinculumJuris:
Dude the conversation is obviously soaring above your head. I hate the ignore feature because it makes conversations completely disjointed, but your idiotic posts are doing more harm in this instance. Take care.

Even if Jimmy wins a SB at the end of this season with this stacked team, Jimmy is still limited Jimmy and nothing more. He only had 2 games in his career so far with 4tds and no int which included the game vs AZ last Monday with still less than 300 yds with ALL the YAC says all.

BTW I was going to do the same to you when you said unreal when facts are real but my ignore list is full, so go ahead and put my posts on ignore so we don't have to respond to each other anymore, bye bye 🤣

Come on!
Give him 40 million, 10 year fully guaranteed and the yellow coat.

Just stop.

Steve young is ridiculous 🤣
He 110% needs a MRI to check for CTE issues 🤣

I love Steve Young. Not about JG but he does seem alittle scattered in his opinions.

He isn't scattered. He is just recognizing that Brian Griese appears to have connected with JG in such a way that Young now believes Garoppolo can be the long-term solution. That is a change in position from where he was four weeks ago when the Griese impact was not as clear as it appears to be now.

I see Griese helping Jimmy to get the ball out as quickly as possible and maybe extend some plays if possible and DON'T make any of his signature bonehead decisions and plays like bad throws and decisions that leads to INTs, if that's the case GJ Brain Griese, at least the 9ers are getting their money's worth from Jimmy 1 last time and getting Jimmy's highest ceiling possible with a stacked roster, and too bad this year wasn't spend on developing Trey to become a true franchise QB.

Trey has at least two more years to develop before a decision has to be made. Given the dead money, he'll be here next year regardless. If we can give Jimmy six years we can give Trey four.

We gave Jimmy 4 years:

2018
2019
2020
2021

2017 was an audition and 2022 he was signed to be the backup. Don't let 49att's spam posting infect you.

I see no reason why 2017 doesn't count, as 2018-2021 were audition years too.

And 2022 is still an audition year, just like Trey's 5th year option will be (in that QBs get their contract after year three or four usually).

2017 was 5 games, we were out of the playoffs, and he was a free agent going into that off season. So we didn't "give" him anything until AFTER that season. And you're right, 2022 is also an audition year so why would you count that as a year we're "giving" him to develop? We didn't, it was given to Trey.

So if you want to say Jimmy only got four, then you ought to give Trey 2023 and 2024 if we're talking fairness here. And fortunately for Trey, he has at minimum two more years under contract, and given the dead money, there's almost no chance he'll be traded. Which means even if Jimmy is part of a Super Bowl winning team and decides to come back, it will be with Trey breathing down his neck, and almost certainly will NOT be a long term deal unless it comes with easy outs.

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:

Originally posted by Sanfran_chrisco:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by 49ersRing:

Himmy G🧊 pic.twitter.com/r4N7CJd7hh

— NFL GameDay (@NFLGameDay) November 25, 2022

I wonder why there is such a large discrepancy with pff? Pff has Jimmy at 71.2 passer rating when under pressure.

I still don't get where this "HIMMY" nick name came from lol

J in Spanish is pronounced like an "h."

oh I'm aware, I just had no idea that's the reason his name was being spelled like that based on the pronunciation out loud of his name in Spanish lol

Originally posted by ChillninDaBay:

Originally posted by VinculumJuris:
To what extent do you think your subjective perception of Garoppolo is informed by what you've seen in years when he's played through injuries?

To your second paragraph, Drew Brees probably has something to say about your blanket rule that quarterbacks can't improve much after being in the league for some period of time. The Chargers made a mistake and lost out on the hall of fame part of his career.

Before you or anyone else flies off the handle, I'm not comparing the two players. I'm attacking the rule that disallows quarterback development after some period of time.

Can't compare a HOF to a good backup QB or even a Nick Foles. Brees was stuck in a bad and average at best chargers team, the 9ers should have traded for him and hired someone else at HC instead of Nolan.

he literally just said,

Originally posted by ChillninDaBay:

Originally posted by VinculumJuris:

Originally posted by ChillninDaBay:

Originally posted by VinculumJuris:
Can you read the last two sentences of my post?

Doesn't matter, Brees (a proven QB and HOF) shouldn't even be in the same sentence as Jimmy who is a backup QB right now whom no other team even wanted to trade a 2nd rd pick for, even if Jimmy wins the SB at the end of this season, is he better than a Nick Foles who has 1 probowl and was SB MVP? Probably not, and that's if he wins the SB at the end of the season and is SB MVP, think on that one for a second..

Unreal.

Originally posted by VinculumJuris:

Originally posted by ChillninDaBay:

Originally posted by VinculumJuris:
Can you read the last two sentences of my post?

Doesn't matter, Brees (a proven QB and HOF) shouldn't even be in the same sentence as Jimmy who is a backup QB right now whom no other team even wanted to trade a 2nd rd pick for, even if Jimmy wins the SB at the end of this season, is he better than a Nick Foles who has 1 probowl and was SB MVP? Probably not, and that's if he wins the SB at the end of the season and is SB MVP, think on that one for a second..

Unreal.

Facts are real. Jimmy is still Jimmy with his limitations, he will never be a HOFer, SB win or not.

none of what you just said is a fact. that's purely all opinion.

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by NotAFinga42:

Originally posted by YACBros85:
Um...what? These observations came well before CMC arrived. Has CMC made an impact? Most certainly. But Jimmy's game was starting to evolve well before then.

As far as Jimmy's future. I find it hard to believe he will be back next year due to cap reasons. Although, I did not think he'd take the paycut he did to stay here through this year. So who knows?

I look at the numbers and end result more than footwork and mechanics. Could care less how his form is if he's throwing pics and losing games. And his numbers started getting better when CMC arrived. His longest career streak without an interception is a whopping 3 games now.

No. That is not true. His turnover worthy plays as well as INT percentage has been down all season. Because he has been more willing to make passes deep and outside the numbers is probably the biggest contributing factor to his turnover and turnover worthy plays being career lows this season. The middle of the field was becoming more and more congested and were the leading cause of a majority of his turnovers. These changes were noticeable well before the arrival of CMC but apparently you haven't been paying attention or looking at the numbers.

What isn't true? His streak without an interception? WTF is a turnover WORTHY play? Again, end results. One could debate whether it was "worthy". One could not debate whether it was a TO. Was it a turnover or was it not? He is currently riding his longest streak of not. 3 games.

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:

Originally posted by VinculumJuris:

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:

Originally posted by JoseCortez:

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:
I'm happy that Jimmy ias played well the past 3 games since that helps the team. However I'm not going to be fooled into thinking that after 8+ seasons he suddenly got better.

This is the same Jimmy G we've seen since he's been here.The difference is he's stayed healthy and he has more weapons now. Oh and he's not throwing INTS. This team is loaded on offense at every spot. Plus several players that were injured early this year are back now. The entire team is playing better including Jimmy but his skillset hasn't changed a bit. Same short accurate passes with the occasional 20-25 yard throw down the middle. Kittle, Deebo and CMC racking up the YAC.

Yeah. Sounds like you're happy.

This is only the third true season we have seen with Jimmy. The other seasons hen was behind Brady. So let's stop using those years as evidence for making him look bad. And the other years he was injured. Even the 2nd year (last year) was marred by injury. So let's pump the brakes a bit on claiming we know who Jimmy is.

Who's making him look bad? I just said he's the same player he's always been. He's gone 3 games without an INT so that in of itself makes him look better but he's not throwing any more accurately than he always has. He's throwing the same type of passes he always has. His recewivers are racking up the YAC as always and he has one more really good weapon in CMC.

I'm not about to put him in the top 10 list anymore than I am Geno Smith. Both are have good years but neither is a top 10 QB. Please don't star twitht he stats. I don't care about those. I'm sure there are areas that Jimmy is ranked high but there are also areas that he ranks low. I just don't think a QB can improve much after being in the league as long as he has and playing in the same system now for his 6th year. We know what he is and so does the rest of the league.

To what extent do you think your subjective perception of Garoppolo is informed by what you've seen in years when he's played through injuries?

To your second paragraph, Drew Brees probably has something to say about your blanket rule that quarterbacks can't improve much after being in the league for some period of time. The Chargers made a mistake and lost out on the hall of fame part of his career.

Before you or anyone else flies off the handle, I'm not comparing the two players. I'm attacking the rule that disallows quarterback development after some period of time.

Drew Brees switched teams and got a new coach and system. He didn't just magically get better. As far as Jimmy playing through injuries that was the end of last year not his entire career. He was injury free in 2019 and most of 2021. I see the same player now as I saw then. I'll say it one more time. Jimmy is playing well right now but that doesn't change who he is. As long as he's not forced to make big plays downfield and use his legs, he's more than adequate. With our defense and the way the receivers can run after the catch as well as the good running game, he probably won't need to throw those deep outs to win a game. That's fine with me but it doesn't mean I can't hope for an even better QB in the future.

None of this makes sense.

Brees needed to change teams and get a new coach, but Jimmy can't? apparently Jimmy is already defined no matter what.

And Jimmy didn't play injury free in 2021. He had the ankle sprain first, then broke his finger, then injured his shoulder.

You're rewriting history.