Originally posted by jonnydel:
Originally posted by ItsX4Number6:
Lol when I first started here a bit ago the conversation was about haters and I thought it was an immature conversation as I agreed that Jimmy is an ok QB but he's definitely flawed and saying so was being honest. But man... Some here go to any lengths, every...single...day... to harp on the guy. It's literally nonstop, every post. Say what you will but it's not non-bias talk, it's obvious one sided bias talk and it overwhelms what could and at some times is great football talk. Unfortunately that's far and between as it's always just putting the guy down.
I agree he is plenty upgradable and i am not going to lose any sleep once Trey gets healthy but finding any excuse just to be negative every day really ruins this place. He's not as bad as he's made out to be(or good by some but they don't over power threads). Even after wins. This thread since I've signed up has been nothing but breaking him down and b***hing and moaning despite being on a winning streak. It's kind of embarrassing really.
It's so true.
But, we're told, "being critical isn't being a hater *rolling eyes* *laughing emoji*
There's clearly a spectrum in which criticism should be judged as fair or unfair. The fact that we have so much trouble on this forum being able to collectively discern fair from unfair isn't solely due to these "haters" you and others continue to talk about, I'd argue it's mainly due to the political nature of the massive support Jimmy has on this forum.
3 separate polls were posted on the webzone recently. One was Jimmy's trade value thread this offseason, in which almost everyone overrated Jimmy's trade value immensely. Some could argue that Jimmy's injury was the sole reason he wasn't traded but his injury was known by every 49ers fan before the poll was made and it was discussed routinely as a clear factor in getting a deal done. How can a forum with so many "haters" overrate Jimmy's market value so badly? Hmmm..
Another one was Furlow's poll, in which 2/3 of the posters who voted that we should keep Jimmy for at least one season as opposed to trading him for 2 first round picks. This tells me that a good majority of the webzone believes that we have a very good chance of winning the SB with Jimmy this season and that they're so confident he will get it done that they're willing to forgo high draft picks that could help us tremendously in the future. The majority of this forum believes that losing Jimmy would end our season, again, where is this massive group of haters? Somehow Furlow believes 1/3 of the webzone must hate Jimmy for answering yes to his poll, but we've already heard from one poster that just has a difference in philosophy. Subsequently he's labeled a hater like many others for seeing things differently.
And the 3rd was my poll. The question was extremely simplistic and was as close to trolling as I've ever done on this forum, but I felt it showed some important data and reactions so it was worth it. What the poll showed was that nearly half of the people who voted believed Kyle Shanahan is more to blame for our offensive struggles than Jimmy is. Personally, I prefer more nuanced discussions about our struggles as a team, and I agreed with many posters well thought out answers in that thread, describing the RAW interior offensive line +MM, our injury woes, our penalty issues, and so on.
What made the thread worth it was to see the many posters who claimed the poll was designed to bash or hate on Jimmy… clearly not understanding the irony that nearly half of the voters selected Kyle Shanahan as more of the reason for our offensive struggles.
Not one poster said the poll was designed to hate on Kyle. Funny, it appears to me we have a Kyle hater problem.
So please save the "Everyone hates Jimmy" comments when you're clearly willing to attribute hatred to unbiased polls. You're willing to call any poster a hater, like myself, with zero evidence of bias other than criticizing one play. You're willing to question Kyle's tenure as our HC and ignore the many calls for his termination in his thread but yet you're active in calling people Jimmy haters. You're willing to make absolute claims about Trey's ability, or lack there of, before he plays a down of football and even more so after 4.5 quarters of play while simultaneously demanding fairness for Jimmy. You're willing to accept the hypothetical that Jimmy should return to the 49ers if he wins the super bowl, regardless of his performance, all while being closed off to to the idea that our future success relies on facts and objective analysis, not emotion.
When I say "you" that goes for anyone who's done those things. And I know it's a lot, I repeat, A LOT of posters. I think as a forum we're capable of rational discussion. But we have to start by acknowledging our biases and stop with these generic, "stop hating Jimmy" posts. The more specific you in highlighting unwarranted criticisms of Jimmy, the better our conversations are. I know of several posters who I've considered blocking for unwarranted criticism of Jimmy, and even more posters that attribute hate when it isn't there.
