Mac Jones-QB-Jaguars

Originally posted by BOI49er:
I think it goes 1) John Lynch has the draft, trades, and free agency, 2)Kyle has the 53 man roster, and 3) I expect you guys to work together and get along.

Originally posted by Heroism:
Nah, I vividly remember someone(maybe Maiocco) reporting that Kyle has final say on QBs.

Mike Lombardi mentioned it a month ago: "I'm going to be very clear here. Kyle is going to make this pick. It's in his contract. It's not a question of whether he's going to do it by his personality. The Shanahans run the 49ers. Lynch is there to do what he's told to do."

@3:02 This video is about a month old, but Lombardi may have been the first person to report the divide in the 49ers organization.

Many people are predicting the 49ers to select Trey Lance with the 3rd pick in the NFL draft. @mlombardiNFl explains to @TheWrapRadio why he believes San Francisco will be heading in a different direction. #LombardiLine pic.twitter.com/3fBAaCILSs

— VSiN (@VSiNLive) March 28, 2021

I can buy that. They do have to work together and it probably is somewhere in the contract that not only do they have to work together but Kyle has the QB decision. To me it makes sense that they would have put that in some sort of agreement. Even if it's not there, common sense would say that Kyle need to make that decision vs John.

Originally posted by FL9er:
Very interesting discussion, it's not going to make the "anyone but Jones" fans any happier, but interesting nonetheless.





Here, Pollack speculates that the 49ers want Jones, but this whole deep dive on Lance/Fields is CYA so if they pass on them and they become stars, they can say, "Hey we really liked them! It was close, but ultimately decided #10 was the best fit."

f**k. What a bunch of horses**t. So basically if they become stars, you don't know what the f**k you're looking for. Awesome. That "hey, we liked them. It was close" won't save you from s**t.

Already hedging??? Lol

Originally posted by 1swift:

Originally posted by BOI49er:
Let's get real.

McVay said Goof can't do progressions, and he wanted Matt Stanford. The Rams went out and made it happen.

Kyle (presumably plus) wants Mac Jones. We just gave Kyle a contract extension. Lynch has final say. What do we do?

If you say no, and draft Lance or anybody else, after every loss, it's "well, he can't do what I asked. It's not My fault. I Told You So. It's Your fault."

The Shanahans were forced out of Washington because they didn't want to play RGIII (whom they made Rookie of the Year, with an offense they Knew couldn't take them far), and Did want to play a 4th round Cousins.

Kyle begged for permission to get out of his contract early to leave Cleveland, when they drafted Johnny Football Manziel. He got it.

Kyle Shanahan is GONE if you force a player on him that can't run his offense.

I know, there are M A N Y fools on this board with the hubris to value Their Pick at quarterback over retaining the smartest coach in the league. Do that, and we ain't Never seeing a Lombardi again in decades. Kyle made RGIII Rookie of the year, and Matt Ryan the NFL Offensive Player of the Year and the Most Valuable Player, and he took this horrible crappy team to the Super Bowl in his third year, and I'll lay odds he'll make Mac Jones Rookie of the Year this year. But NO. You guys know best.

"Beam me up, Scotty. There is no intelligent life down here."

I can't wait to start picking apart this league with Intelligence. That's how we got the first 5 Lombardi's, and it's how we'll get the next 5. Or not.

This is a lot of Kool-aid sipping.

I respect KS, I think you may be right that he's the smartest HC. But you know what, he's not above reproach. He fell short in 2 superbowls now. He's had 3/4 losing seasons as HC. It is not inarguable that it is he who needs to adapt, not the players.

Also if you want to get real, the words out of his mouth is that there are 5, count that FIVE, QBs he has evaluated as NFL Starting QB caliber. So, unless you're saying he's lying, making him draft Fields or Lance who are presumably within those 5 is not forcing him to take a QB he doesn't think can run this offense.

He could have easily said there's 3 guys who he thinks can get it done and therefore at 3 only 1 is left so if you make him take anyone else its not on him, but he said 5. There's presumably gonna be 3/5 of those left when SF is called to the podium so that kind of invalidates the argument we'd be forcing him out if someone could make him not take Mac but take one of the other 5 who he also believes is a starting QB.

NFL starting quarterbacks, let alone guys that can best run a Shanahan offense, is not the same thing. And, a starting quarterback does not equal a SB contending quarterback. Therefore, taking any of the five "is not forcing him to take a QB he doesn't think can run his offense" is flawed deductive reasoning, and ignores my position that he will quit.

Originally posted by BOI49er:
Lombardi did say that. It's not what the team said at the time. I think he's wrong. And I don't think Maiocco ever said that at all.

Not the point. In any case, my point I was making is that if you force a quarterback on Kyle he doesn't want, and deny one he does, he will not stay. Do you disagree?

Well, Lynch already has kind of forced a QB on Shanahan in Jimmy, so I don't expect Kyle to concede in that war room. He's going to get his guy.

But in the event that Kyle capitulates to Lynch and the guy they draft doesn't become what Kyle wants, I expect Lynch to be fired before Shanahan can even attempt to leave. Jed York ain't letting Shanahan go if he can help it. He knows without Shanny, he's back to digging through dumpsters for the next Singletary or Tomsula, perenially losing and an empty Levi's stadium--aka the York family way.

Mac Jones running plays straight out of Shanahan's playbook.

Originally posted by BOI49er:

Originally posted by 1swift:

Originally posted by BOI49er:
Let's get real.

McVay said Goof can't do progressions, and he wanted Matt Stanford. The Rams went out and made it happen.

Kyle (presumably plus) wants Mac Jones. We just gave Kyle a contract extension. Lynch has final say. What do we do?

If you say no, and draft Lance or anybody else, after every loss, it's "well, he can't do what I asked. It's not My fault. I Told You So. It's Your fault."

The Shanahans were forced out of Washington because they didn't want to play RGIII (whom they made Rookie of the Year, with an offense they Knew couldn't take them far), and Did want to play a 4th round Cousins.

Kyle begged for permission to get out of his contract early to leave Cleveland, when they drafted Johnny Football Manziel. He got it.

Kyle Shanahan is GONE if you force a player on him that can't run his offense.

I know, there are M A N Y fools on this board with the hubris to value Their Pick at quarterback over retaining the smartest coach in the league. Do that, and we ain't Never seeing a Lombardi again in decades. Kyle made RGIII Rookie of the year, and Matt Ryan the NFL Offensive Player of the Year and the Most Valuable Player, and he took this horrible crappy team to the Super Bowl in his third year, and I'll lay odds he'll make Mac Jones Rookie of the Year this year. But NO. You guys know best.

"Beam me up, Scotty. There is no intelligent life down here."

I can't wait to start picking apart this league with Intelligence. That's how we got the first 5 Lombardi's, and it's how we'll get the next 5. Or not.

This is a lot of Kool-aid sipping.

I respect KS, I think you may be right that he's the smartest HC. But you know what, he's not above reproach. He fell short in 2 superbowls now. He's had 3/4 losing seasons as HC. It is not inarguable that it is he who needs to adapt, not the players.

Also if you want to get real, the words out of his mouth is that there are 5, count that FIVE, QBs he has evaluated as NFL Starting QB caliber. So, unless you're saying he's lying, making him draft Fields or Lance who are presumably within those 5 is not forcing him to take a QB he doesn't think can run this offense.

He could have easily said there's 3 guys who he thinks can get it done and therefore at 3 only 1 is left so if you make him take anyone else its not on him, but he said 5. There's presumably gonna be 3/5 of those left when SF is called to the podium so that kind of invalidates the argument we'd be forcing him out if someone could make him not take Mac but take one of the other 5 who he also believes is a starting QB.

NFL starting quarterbacks, let alone guys that can best run a Shanahan offense, is not the same thing. And, a starting quarterback does not equal a SB contending quarterback. Therefore, taking any of the five "is not forcing him to take a QB he doesn't think can run his offense" is flawed deductive reasoning, and ignores my position that he will quit.

I think that's obtuse. I'd accept an argument he's saying 5 to be PC and not offend the non drafted top guys but if you really think he's saying 5, and actually means 5, but only believes 1 or 2 to be able to run his offense or win a SB that doesn't make sense. Why would he consider any QB prospect draftable if he didn't think he could win with them? He has no incentive.

Originally posted by 49ers808:

Originally posted by Heroism:
Nah, I vividly remember someone(maybe Maiocco) reporting that Kyle has final say on QBs.

Mike Lombardi mentioned it a month ago: "I'm going to be very clear here. Kyle is going to make this pick. It's in his contract. It's not a question of whether he's going to do it by his personality. The Shanahans run the 49ers. Lynch is there to do what he's told to do."

@3:02 This video is about a month old, but Lombardi may have been the first person to report the divide in the 49ers organization.

Many people are predicting the 49ers to select Trey Lance with the 3rd pick in the NFL draft. @mlombardiNFl explains to @TheWrapRadio why he believes San Francisco will be heading in a different direction. #LombardiLine pic.twitter.com/3fBAaCILSs

— VSiN (@VSiNLive) March 28, 2021

I do believe this is true, however, in the press conference yesterday I swear Lynch made a comment like "the draft is mine" and then said he will always DEFER to Kyle with the QB position. That comment kind of caught me by suprise

Yeah, Lynch just Told you it's in his contract, as the team did at the original time of their hiring. I see no basis for questioning it.

Originally posted by Heroism:
Well, Lynch already has kind of forced a QB on Shanahan in Jimmy, so I don't expect Kyle to concede in that war room. He's going to get his guy.

But in the event that Kyle capitulates to Lynch and the guy they draft doesn't become what Kyle wants, I expect Lynch to be fired before Shanahan can even attempt to leave. Jed York ain't letting Shanahan go if he can help it. He knows without Shanny, he's back to digging through dumpsters for the next Singletary or Tomsula, perenially losing and an empty Levi's stadium--aka the York family way.

If Shanahan gets pushed into taking a QB that he's not completely sold on and that guy flops, I imagine that Kyle would go on the warpath, firing Lynch, Peters and every single scout in the entire organization. He'd then go hire his dad as the new GM.

Originally posted by Heroism:

Originally posted by BOI49er:
Lombardi did say that. It's not what the team said at the time. I think he's wrong. And I don't think Maiocco ever said that at all.

Not the point. In any case, my point I was making is that if you force a quarterback on Kyle he doesn't want, and deny one he does, he will not stay. Do you disagree?

Well, Lynch already has kind of forced a QB on Shanahan in Jimmy, so I don't expect Kyle to concede in that war room. He's going to get his guy.

But in the event that Kyle capitulates to Lynch and the guy they draft doesn't become what Kyle wants, I expect Lynch to be fired before Shanahan can even attempt to leave. Jed York ain't letting Shanahan go if he can help it. He knows without Shanny, he's back to digging through dumpsters for the next Singletary or Tomsula, perenially losing and an empty Levi's stadium--aka the York family way.

The other side of the coin is that if Mac is the pick and turns out to be average while Lance or Fields become stars, there's no way you can keep Kyle after the draft capital that was given up. Thered just be too much pressure on Jed. I'd rather Kyle stick around for a while as a coach and let the evaluators do their job. Let Lynch or Peters fall in the sword if the pick is wrong. The fact that we know who Kyle allegedly likes as differing from the other decision makers means Kyle's fate is tied to Mac Jones should he be the pick (conversely Lynch/Peters would be tied to Lance).

Originally posted by 1swift:

Originally posted by BOI49er:

Originally posted by 1swift:

Originally posted by BOI49er:
Let's get real.

McVay said Goof can't do progressions, and he wanted Matt Stanford. The Rams went out and made it happen.

Kyle (presumably plus) wants Mac Jones. We just gave Kyle a contract extension. Lynch has final say. What do we do?

If you say no, and draft Lance or anybody else, after every loss, it's "well, he can't do what I asked. It's not My fault. I Told You So. It's Your fault."

The Shanahans were forced out of Washington because they didn't want to play RGIII (whom they made Rookie of the Year, with an offense they Knew couldn't take them far), and Did want to play a 4th round Cousins.

Kyle begged for permission to get out of his contract early to leave Cleveland, when they drafted Johnny Football Manziel. He got it.

Kyle Shanahan is GONE if you force a player on him that can't run his offense.

I know, there are M A N Y fools on this board with the hubris to value Their Pick at quarterback over retaining the smartest coach in the league. Do that, and we ain't Never seeing a Lombardi again in decades. Kyle made RGIII Rookie of the year, and Matt Ryan the NFL Offensive Player of the Year and the Most Valuable Player, and he took this horrible crappy team to the Super Bowl in his third year, and I'll lay odds he'll make Mac Jones Rookie of the Year this year. But NO. You guys know best.

"Beam me up, Scotty. There is no intelligent life down here."

I can't wait to start picking apart this league with Intelligence. That's how we got the first 5 Lombardi's, and it's how we'll get the next 5. Or not.

This is a lot of Kool-aid sipping.

I respect KS, I think you may be right that he's the smartest HC. But you know what, he's not above reproach. He fell short in 2 superbowls now. He's had 3/4 losing seasons as HC. It is not inarguable that it is he who needs to adapt, not the players.

Also if you want to get real, the words out of his mouth is that there are 5, count that FIVE, QBs he has evaluated as NFL Starting QB caliber. So, unless you're saying he's lying, making him draft Fields or Lance who are presumably within those 5 is not forcing him to take a QB he doesn't think can run this offense.

He could have easily said there's 3 guys who he thinks can get it done and therefore at 3 only 1 is left so if you make him take anyone else its not on him, but he said 5. There's presumably gonna be 3/5 of those left when SF is called to the podium so that kind of invalidates the argument we'd be forcing him out if someone could make him not take Mac but take one of the other 5 who he also believes is a starting QB.

NFL starting quarterbacks, let alone guys that can best run a Shanahan offense, is not the same thing. And, a starting quarterback does not equal a SB contending quarterback. Therefore, taking any of the five "is not forcing him to take a QB he doesn't think can run his offense" is flawed deductive reasoning, and ignores my position that he will quit.

I think that's obtuse. I'd accept an argument he's saying 5 to be PC and not offend the non drafted top guys but if you really think he's saying 5, and actually means 5, but only believes 1 or 2 to be able to run his offense or win a SB that doesn't make sense. Why would he consider any QB prospect draftable if he didn't think he could win with them? He has no incentive.

Who's being obtuse? Draftable by Who? Someone Who wants to run a dual threat offense, or Him. He's proven Twice he's not going to do that. He's a Head Coach now. You can't make him. If you don't want him, someone else will.

Obtuse is right. I'm out.

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:

Originally posted by Heroism:
Well, Lynch already has kind of forced a QB on Shanahan in Jimmy, so I don't expect Kyle to concede in that war room. He's going to get his guy.

But in the event that Kyle capitulates to Lynch and the guy they draft doesn't become what Kyle wants, I expect Lynch to be fired before Shanahan can even attempt to leave. Jed York ain't letting Shanahan go if he can help it. He knows without Shanny, he's back to digging through dumpsters for the next Singletary or Tomsula, perenially losing and an empty Levi's stadium--aka the York family way.

If Shanahan gets pushed into taking a QB that he's not completely sold on and that guy flops, I imagine that Kyle would go on the warpath, firing Lynch, Peters and every single scout in the entire organization. He'd then go hire his dad as the new GM.

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:

Originally posted by Heroism:
Well, Lynch already has kind of forced a QB on Shanahan in Jimmy, so I don't expect Kyle to concede in that war room. He's going to get his guy.

But in the event that Kyle capitulates to Lynch and the guy they draft doesn't become what Kyle wants, I expect Lynch to be fired before Shanahan can even attempt to leave. Jed York ain't letting Shanahan go if he can help it. He knows without Shanny, he's back to digging through dumpsters for the next Singletary or Tomsula, perenially losing and an empty Levi's stadium--aka the York family way.

If Shanahan gets pushed into taking a QB that he's not completely sold on and that guy flops, I imagine that Kyle would go on the warpath, firing Lynch, Peters and every single scout in the entire organization. He'd then go hire his dad as the new GM.

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by BOI49er:
Let's get real.

McVay said Goof can't do progressions, and he wanted Matt Stanford. The Rams went out and made it happen.

Kyle (presumably plus) wants Mac Jones. We just gave Kyle a contract extension. Lynch has final say. What do we do?

If you say no, and draft Lance or anybody else, after every loss, it's "well, he can't do what I asked. It's not My fault. I Told You So. It's Your fault."

The Shanahans were forced out of Washington because they didn't want to play RGIII (whom they made Rookie of the Year, with an offense they Knew couldn't take them far), and Did want to play a 4th round Cousins.

Kyle begged for permission to get out of his contract early to leave Cleveland, when they drafted Johnny Football Manziel. He got it.

Kyle Shanahan is GONE if you force a player on him that can't run his offense.

I know, there are M A N Y fools on this board with the hubris to value Their Pick at quarterback over retaining the smartest coach in the league. Do that, and we ain't Never seeing a Lombardi again in decades. Kyle made RGIII Rookie of the year, and Matt Ryan the NFL Offensive Player of the Year and the Most Valuable Player, and he took this horrible crappy team to the Super Bowl in his third year, and I'll lay odds he'll make Mac Jones Rookie of the Year this year. But NO. You guys know best.

"Beam me up, Scotty. There is no intelligent life down here."

I can't wait to start picking apart this league with Intelligence. That's how we got the first 5 Lombardi's, and it's how we'll get the next 5. Or not.

I never thought of that point above. Very good point! I think if Lynch picks the QB, other than it being a really bad idea, it would probably break their friendship and relationship and that won't ever heal again.

Why did KS go out of his way to say he feels there's 5 guys? If he believes there's 5 there shouldn't be a problem as long as its one of those 5, right? He didn't have to say that. He could've easily said 3