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Apr 7, 2021 at 2:56 PM
Originally posted by Joecool:
Originally posted by Rathof44:
Originally posted by Joecool:
Originally posted by Rathof44:
Originally posted by Joecool:
Originally posted by NCommand:
Originally posted by fan49:
Originally posted by NCommand:
Originally posted by Joecool:
Originally posted by NCommand:

That's one of my big pet peeves. It is very rare a QB lifts his elbow higher than his wrist on the load and is consistently accurate or is able to throw from a tight pocket. He may be able to over come this, but I will go with the numbers on this one.

Dude is gonna have 50 strip fumbles and 100 sacks with his 3.18 TTT.

2nd round project.

Well what do you think about Mark Jones not being able to escape the pocket if his life depended on it. I don't see him even being able to go 5 yards to the right or left without having a linebacker or a defense of lineman smack in the crap out of him

You don't need to escape a pocket when you own it.

There have been far greater successful immobile QBs in terms of distributing the football than there have been 4.5 40 QBs. Being able to outrun a defense is a crutch as a QB. You have 5 players on your side of the ball that can do it better than you and your sole job is to get them the ball as quick as possible.

So being able to create when a play breaks down is not something Kyle interested in, cause his plays never break down and our OL doesn't allow any pressure. This is rich

A lot of reasons a play breaks down that is designed by an offensive guy like Kyle is because the QB missed an opportunity.

So it's the QBs fault? Will it still be the QBs fault if it's Mac Jones or does it default to OL, WR, etc? Cuz you know... he's a super fast processor. Lol. Getting deep in here.

Let's not act like Jones is Drew Bledsoe. The dude is tactically mobile.

He ran a 4.7 40, and didn't exactly suck in the 3 cone drill. Nobody will mistake him for Michael Vick, but he's about as mobile as you would need a quarterback of his mold to be.
Apr 7, 2021 at 2:57 PM
Originally posted by Cisco0623:
Originally posted by NCommand:
Originally posted by Cisco0623:
Originally posted by NinerBuff:
Originally posted by Cisco0623:
Wait.... do people expect Jones to elevate this offense compared to a healthy Jimmy? lol

I think they could be very similar, with Jimmy better on roll outs and Jones better on deep passes...

Yup. That just doesn't sound like much of an improvement, evolution etc or at or someone you trade 3 first round picks for.

Yes, because when making the trade, Miami said, "Oh, you're trading for Mac Jones? Our bad...how about just 1 first rounder in 2022 and we're good."
You lost me on that one. What does Miami care who we pick? Only we care. Lol

He's making the observation that we didn't give up 3 picks specifically for Mac Jones. We traded 3 picks to move up in the draft and get a better shot at drafting a qb, that might be Mac Jones.
Apr 7, 2021 at 2:57 PM
Originally posted by HawkBearPig:
Originally posted by Joecool:
Originally posted by Rathof44:
Originally posted by Joecool:
Originally posted by Rathof44:
Originally posted by Joecool:
Originally posted by NCommand:
Originally posted by fan49:
Originally posted by NCommand:
Originally posted by Joecool:
Originally posted by NCommand:

That's one of my big pet peeves. It is very rare a QB lifts his elbow higher than his wrist on the load and is consistently accurate or is able to throw from a tight pocket. He may be able to over come this, but I will go with the numbers on this one.

Dude is gonna have 50 strip fumbles and 100 sacks with his 3.18 TTT.

2nd round project.

Well what do you think about Mark Jones not being able to escape the pocket if his life depended on it. I don't see him even being able to go 5 yards to the right or left without having a linebacker or a defense of lineman smack in the crap out of him

You don't need to escape a pocket when you own it.

There have been far greater successful immobile QBs in terms of distributing the football than there have been 4.5 40 QBs. Being able to outrun a defense is a crutch as a QB. You have 5 players on your side of the ball that can do it better than you and your sole job is to get them the ball as quick as possible.

So being able to create when a play breaks down is not something Kyle interested in, cause his plays never break down and our OL doesn't allow any pressure. This is rich

A lot of reasons a play breaks down that is designed by an offensive guy like Kyle is because the QB missed an opportunity.

So it's the QBs fault? Will it still be the QBs fault if it's Mac Jones or does it default to OL, WR, etc? Cuz you know... he's a super fast processor. Lol. Getting deep in here.

Let's not act like Jones is Drew Bledsoe. The dude is tactically mobile.

He ran a 4.7 40, and didn't exactly suck in the 3 cone drill. Nobody will mistake him for Michael Vick, but he's about as mobile as you would need a quarterback of his mold to be.

Nah, he's 10 times more mobile than a QB of his mold is supposed to be.
[ Edited by Joecool on Apr 7, 2021 at 2:58 PM ]
Apr 7, 2021 at 2:57 PM
Originally posted by HawkBearPig:
Originally posted by Cisco0623:
Originally posted by NCommand:
Originally posted by Cisco0623:
Originally posted by NinerBuff:
Originally posted by Cisco0623:
Wait.... do people expect Jones to elevate this offense compared to a healthy Jimmy? lol

I think they could be very similar, with Jimmy better on roll outs and Jones better on deep passes...

Yup. That just doesn't sound like much of an improvement, evolution etc or at or someone you trade 3 first round picks for.

Yes, because when making the trade, Miami said, "Oh, you're trading for Mac Jones? Our bad...how about just 1 first rounder in 2022 and we're good."
You lost me on that one. What does Miami care who we pick? Only we care. Lol

He's making the observation that we didn't give up 3 picks specifically for Mac Jones. We traded 3 picks to move up in the draft and get a better shot at drafting a qb, that might be Mac Jones.

Ah okay. If it's Jones it's a waste. Lol
Apr 7, 2021 at 3:04 PM
I'm so conflicted on Jones. Sitting at 12 I was talking myself into him being one of my top 3 favorite picks at that spot and how in many ways he could be a bitter fit than Fields and way less projection than Lance (immediate thought after the NC was it wouldn't shock me if Jones went ahead of Fields).

I think Jones is a much better athlete than people give him credit for....
- not a power arm but can make any realistic throw outside of a total off platform bomb
- not a scrambling qb, but I'd argue he might have the best pocket presence in this draft in how he climbs the ladder and slides around the pocket. In fact I think he may be more mobile than Lance. Jones ran a significantly faster time than Mahomes / Jimmy G and Lance looks fast bc he's running on the same field as insurance salesman and runs them over but notice he didn't run at his Pro Day.
- elite fast processor / decision maker (best qb in the draft to get the ball out to the right read as fast as possible and not really close - there's many plays where he throws a bomb just 2 sec in and if he held it .5 sec longer would've been sacked which makes his OL look better than it actually was)

I think alot of the overly negative reaction comes from these external factors:

1) The media was probably WAY too low on him this whole offseason (anyone saying he isn't a first rd talent needs their press pass revoked - he's pretty clearly a top 10 guy in most drafts)

2) The 49ers gave up 3 first rd picks, which even many known quantities at qb wouldn't fetch. Yes I know "rookie contract", but anything short of a bonafide top 10 qb year in and year out and this pick is a HUGE failure. 3 firsts is what you give up for a guy with top 3-5 upside and given his athletic limitations he has the Brady-like 1 in a million uphill battle to live up to that which is why those types of prospects don't go top 5 in NFL drafts and why trading up to 3 was a massive wasted of capital if that's the case.

I'm at the stage where I can totally understand why we might fixate on Jones, but can't understand any reasonable explanation for why we traded so much value away - especially for a talent that won't carry the team but would rely on great players and system (acquired via great draft picks). It would feel like the McGlinchey / Beathard / Pettis / Joe Williams moves all bundled into one massive reach on steroids and something I hope our front office learned from to keep Kyle in check (he has a 0% hit rate on offensive players that aren't "value picks"). His skillset is no better than Jimmy as a whole so there's a solid chance he's a worse player and there's no guarantee he's not injury prone since he's only played 17 games and was banged up in the NC + Sr Bowl (more than Jimmy was in college). If you trade 3 firsts you better be guaranteed a better talent than the one on your roster.
[ Edited by 49oz2superbowl on Apr 7, 2021 at 3:06 PM ]
Apr 7, 2021 at 3:20 PM
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Originally posted by NCommand:
Kyle brought in another pocket passer.

That's 20 now to 0.

Apr 7, 2021 at 3:26 PM
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Originally posted by DonnieDarko:
Originally posted by NCommand:

god i hope shanahan fixes fields' mechanics

Not sure Shannahan is the 'fix-it' type of HC. He would rather spend more time teaching the kid his playbook and how to read defenses. It's why M.Jones makes better sense. Reality is it's on the player to do it and if fields doesn't it could easily go the Bortles route...

Apr 7, 2021 at 3:28 PM
Originally posted by jcs:
Originally posted by DonnieDarko:
Originally posted by NCommand:

god i hope shanahan fixes fields' mechanics

Not sure Shannahan is the 'fix-it' type of HC. He would rather spend more time teaching the kid his playbook and how to read defenses. It's why M.Jones makes better sense. Reality is it's on the player to do it and if fields doesn't it could easily go the Bortles route...


I think if Fields. sits for a year behind Jimmy then he could. If he starts immediately then probably not.
Apr 7, 2021 at 3:31 PM
Originally posted by Cisco0623:
Originally posted by HawkBearPig:
Originally posted by Cisco0623:
Originally posted by NCommand:
Originally posted by Cisco0623:
Originally posted by NinerBuff:
Originally posted by Cisco0623:
Wait.... do people expect Jones to elevate this offense compared to a healthy Jimmy? lol

I think they could be very similar, with Jimmy better on roll outs and Jones better on deep passes...

Yup. That just doesn't sound like much of an improvement, evolution etc or at or someone you trade 3 first round picks for.

Yes, because when making the trade, Miami said, "Oh, you're trading for Mac Jones? Our bad...how about just 1 first rounder in 2022 and we're good."
You lost me on that one. What does Miami care who we pick? Only we care. Lol

He's making the observation that we didn't give up 3 picks specifically for Mac Jones. We traded 3 picks to move up in the draft and get a better shot at drafting a qb, that might be Mac Jones.

Ah okay. If it's Jones it's a waste. Lol

LOL
Apr 7, 2021 at 3:37 PM
Originally posted by Joecool:
Originally posted by HawkBearPig:
Originally posted by Joecool:
Originally posted by Rathof44:
Originally posted by Joecool:
Originally posted by Rathof44:
Originally posted by Joecool:
Originally posted by NCommand:
Originally posted by fan49:
Originally posted by NCommand:
Originally posted by Joecool:
Originally posted by NCommand:

That's one of my big pet peeves. It is very rare a QB lifts his elbow higher than his wrist on the load and is consistently accurate or is able to throw from a tight pocket. He may be able to over come this, but I will go with the numbers on this one.

Dude is gonna have 50 strip fumbles and 100 sacks with his 3.18 TTT.

2nd round project.

Well what do you think about Mark Jones not being able to escape the pocket if his life depended on it. I don't see him even being able to go 5 yards to the right or left without having a linebacker or a defense of lineman smack in the crap out of him

You don't need to escape a pocket when you own it.

There have been far greater successful immobile QBs in terms of distributing the football than there have been 4.5 40 QBs. Being able to outrun a defense is a crutch as a QB. You have 5 players on your side of the ball that can do it better than you and your sole job is to get them the ball as quick as possible.

So being able to create when a play breaks down is not something Kyle interested in, cause his plays never break down and our OL doesn't allow any pressure. This is rich

A lot of reasons a play breaks down that is designed by an offensive guy like Kyle is because the QB missed an opportunity.

So it's the QBs fault? Will it still be the QBs fault if it's Mac Jones or does it default to OL, WR, etc? Cuz you know... he's a super fast processor. Lol. Getting deep in here.

Let's not act like Jones is Drew Bledsoe. The dude is tactically mobile.

He ran a 4.7 40, and didn't exactly suck in the 3 cone drill. Nobody will mistake him for Michael Vick, but he's about as mobile as you would need a quarterback of his mold to be.

Nah, he's 10 times more mobile than a QB of his mold is supposed to be.

This keeps getting better and better, anything short of Peyton Manning now is underselling this clown. Rejoice in that Kyle found his Kirk Cousins true love, mediocrity awaits. Please Jimmy stay healthy this year.
Apr 7, 2021 at 3:37 PM
How's Kittle going to take this ?

https://www.nfl.com/news/back-2-campus/joker-s-wild-why-alabama-qb-mac-jones-is-getting-the-last-laugh
Apr 7, 2021 at 3:45 PM
Mac Jones thread 552 pages. Justin Fields thread 288 pages. Looks like Mac is the pick
Apr 7, 2021 at 3:46 PM
Originally posted by DonnieDarko:
Originally posted by jcs:
Originally posted by DonnieDarko:
Originally posted by NCommand:

god i hope shanahan fixes fields' mechanics

Not sure Shannahan is the 'fix-it' type of HC. He would rather spend more time teaching the kid his playbook and how to read defenses. It's why M.Jones makes better sense. Reality is it's on the player to do it and if fields doesn't it could easily go the Bortles route...


I think if Fields. sits for a year behind Jimmy then he could. If he starts immediately then probably not.

Lmfaoooo wow Bortles was a total s**t show! How the hell he went that long with no one trying to fix that release? I've never seen anything like that, Leftwich had like a baseball wind up but nothing ridiculous like that
Apr 7, 2021 at 3:48 PM
Originally posted by NCommand:
Kyle brought in another pocket passer.

That's 20 now to 0.

it's worked out well for him too, all those SB rings. Funny, if he had someone who create outside the pocket or even scramble for a few yards late in the game for a first down, he'd probably be 2-0 in SB.
[ Edited by Rathof44 on Apr 7, 2021 at 3:48 PM ]
Apr 7, 2021 at 3:54 PM
Originally posted by Joecool:
Originally posted by flynhayn15:
I agree but not at a rookie price.

Does it really matter if it gets a ring?

No i meant if we traded 4 picks for Watson, we also are paying him 30+ Mil/yr which means we can't keep the nucleus of the team together.
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