Mac Jones-QB-Jaguars

Originally posted by tjd808185:

Originally posted by flynhayn15:
Tarrt, Kwan, and Kwon were out that game (Al Shair and Marcell Harris were torched that game, especially before Cook got hurt). Moseley was banged us so Spoon started. And Sherman left the game early, then and injured Moseley was playing nickel and gave up a TD because he didn't know he was supposed to kick outside when Sherman went out and two people were covering the slot WR.

That defense, when healthy, didn't struggle against pocket QBs. Even Rodgers had no shot.

You can run down the injury report on every game including the ones vs scrambling qb's. It's pointless and only done to marginalize an @ kicking that we took. The team also lost to the Falcons and Matty Ice and Matty didn't light us up but 220 2 tds, 0 picks. 29 points. That's better than what Mahomes did to us.

But last time I checked it's not like we're going to play ourselves anyways. Taking a mobile QB to beat our defense doesn't quite add up.

My point is, when pocket QBs play a top defense at full strength they have very few escape valves, Which in my opinion is why Brady threw so many INTs in the NFC championship game. If you draft a pocket QB, you also need to invest in a top slot WR (Welker or Edelman) and a pass catching 3rd down back (White or Dion) and of course a solid TE which we already invested in.

But even then Brady couldn't beat the Giants and the Eagles Dline, not to mention that game against the Chiefs when Jimmy was still there when people thought he was done.

I so badly wish it were possible for Lynch to wait till the week before the draft to make this trade, but he bought early because Miami might've sold the pick to another potential buyer and left us on the outside looking in. Now we have this place turning on a guy who might be the face of this franchise soon, or calling for the heads of 2 guys who just had us minutes away from a superbowl title in YEAR 3! of a rebuild.

My thoughts still are that Mac Jones is my favorite QB in this ENTIRE draft because I see no real bust potential with him, since at worst he'll be a competent starting game manager, but at best he'll be the next great pocket passer as these older guys fade out.

I also don't think we traded 2 future 1st and a 3rd to play it safe though. Even if Mac Jones hits his ceiling and becomes MVP Matt Ryan, I don't think Lynch and Shanny are giving up that much for a guy that doesn't have transcendent qualities other than his brain, which is obviously a necessity for the position and way too many are underrating it. Still, I don't see us giving up that much to get a Ryan clone because even Matt Ryan can't continuously drag the Falcons into the playoffs since Shanny left. Lynch and Shanny would have to see Mac's upside as even higher than MVP Ryan, meaning Brady/Brees and that's unrealistic expectations for any prospect.

I still think this trade was done for Lance or Fields, with an outside shot that the Jets guys that used to work here, told Lynch that Wilson could be had if we wanted to jump to #2 on draft night. I'm good with whatever choice we make, even if it's not my preferred player being selected. All these QB's have star potential if developed right, but I just feel Mac Jones doesn't need as much as the others do and he'll have a long career no matter what, while the others could be superstars or out of the league in 5 years, after getting everyone fired.

Originally posted by flynhayn15:
My point is, when pocket QBs play a top defense at full strength they have very few escape valves, Which in my opinion is why Brady threw so many INTs in the NFC championship game. If you draft a pocket QB, you also need to invest in a top slot WR (Welker or Edelman) and a pass catching 3rd down back (White or Dion) and of course a solid TE which we already invested in.

But even then Brady couldn't beat the Giants and the Eagles Dline, not to mention that game against the Chiefs when Jimmy was still there when people thought he was done.

Brady has 7 rings while no other QB since free agency began has more than 2. So pointing out a few games that he lost seems a bit off. Right. There's no guarantee what you run into.

Either way you draft the best QB for your offense. You don't want to factor in playing to a few teams.

I don't think we'd need a slot receiver. Who was Matt Ryan's slot receiver when Shanny turned him into the MVP? The talent is already there at receiver but I do think a pass catching back would be a necessity.

Originally posted by tjd808185:

Originally posted by flynhayn15:
My point is, when pocket QBs play a top defense at full strength they have very few escape valves, Which in my opinion is why Brady threw so many INTs in the NFC championship game. If you draft a pocket QB, you also need to invest in a top slot WR (Welker or Edelman) and a pass catching 3rd down back (White or Dion) and of course a solid TE which we already invested in.

But even then Brady couldn't beat the Giants and the Eagles Dline, not to mention that game against the Chiefs when Jimmy was still there when people thought he was done.

Brady has 7 rings while no other QB since free agency began has more than 2. So pointing out a few games that he lost seems a bit off. Right. There's no guarantee what you run into.

Either way you draft the best QB for your offense. You don't want to factor in playing to a few teams.

I don't think we'd need a slot receiver. Who was Matt Ryan's slot receiver when Shanny turned him into the MVP? The talent is already there at receiver but I do think a pass catching back would be a necessity.

We could def use another WR.

I feel like we could use Rondale Moore to his full potential better than any other team in the NFL. He's, probably, the most explosive player in the draft at any position. His size and injury history are going to push him down the board, but if we could snag him a little later in the draft he could be a huge piece for us.

He might be long gone, but if he were there when out 3rd rounder comes around I'd love to get him there.

Originally posted by flynhayn15:
My point is, when pocket QBs play a top defense at full strength they have very few escape valves, Which in my opinion is why Brady threw so many INTs in the NFC championship game. If you draft a pocket QB, you also need to invest in a top slot WR (Welker or Edelman) and a pass catching 3rd down back (White or Dion) and of course a solid TE which we already invested in.

But even then Brady couldn't beat the Giants and the Eagles Dline, not to mention that game against the Chiefs when Jimmy was still there when people thought he was done.

I suppose next your going to point to all the super bowls Cam Newton, Kapernick, Vick and Mahomes won?

Last i checked it was about as many as Trent Dilfer.

Originally posted by Nastastical:
I so badly wish it were possible for Lynch to wait till the week before the draft to make this trade, but he bought early because Miami might've sold the pick to another potential buyer and left us on the outside looking in. Now we have this place turning on a guy who might be the face of this franchise soon, or calling for the heads of 2 guys who just had us minutes away from a superbowl title in YEAR 3! of a rebuild.

My thoughts still are that Mac Jones is my favorite QB in this ENTIRE draft because I see no real bust potential with him, since at worst he'll be a competent starting game manager, but at best he'll be the next great pocket passer as these older guys fade out.

I also don't think we traded 2 future 1st and a 3rd to play it safe though. Even if Mac Jones hits his ceiling and becomes MVP Matt Ryan, I don't think Lynch and Shanny are giving up that much for a guy that doesn't have transcendent qualities other than his brain, which is obviously a necessity for the position and way too many are underrating it. Still, I don't see us giving up that much to get a Ryan clone because even Matt Ryan can't continuously drag the Falcons into the playoffs since Shanny left. Lynch and Shanny would have to see Mac's upside as even higher than MVP Ryan, meaning Brady/Brees and that's unrealistic expectations for any prospect.

I still think this trade was done for Lance or Fields, with an outside shot that the Jets guys that used to work here, told Lynch that Wilson could be had if we wanted to jump to #2 on draft night. I'm good with whatever choice we make, even if it's not my preferred player being selected. All these QB's have star potential if developed right, but I just feel Mac Jones doesn't need as much as the others do and he'll have a long career no matter what, while the others could be superstars or out of the league in 5 years, after getting everyone fired.

Wow favorite in the entire class with no bust potential for you huh? I don't know how you come away with that for a guy with one season on the best team and best supporting cast in the Country but you do you brah. I feel the complete opposite. I honestly think that it's this team or bust for him. I honestly don't see him being even an average starter on any other team. When you say that he doesn't need as much as the others do and he'll have a long career no matter what, what do you mean by that? You think this guy can go to any team and be a top tier starting QB? We shall see

Originally posted by tjd808185:

Originally posted by flynhayn15:
My point is, when pocket QBs play a top defense at full strength they have very few escape valves, Which in my opinion is why Brady threw so many INTs in the NFC championship game. If you draft a pocket QB, you also need to invest in a top slot WR (Welker or Edelman) and a pass catching 3rd down back (White or Dion) and of course a solid TE which we already invested in.

But even then Brady couldn't beat the Giants and the Eagles Dline, not to mention that game against the Chiefs when Jimmy was still there when people thought he was done.

Brady has 7 rings while no other QB since free agency began has more than 2. So pointing out a few games that he lost seems a bit off. Right. There's no guarantee what you run into.

Either way you draft the best QB for your offense. You don't want to factor in playing to a few teams.

I don't think we'd need a slot receiver. Who was Matt Ryan's slot receiver when Shanny turned him into the MVP? The talent is already there at receiver but I do think a pass catching back would be a necessity.

No one has lost as many Super Bowls in that time period either.

Answer this, if you put Brady on KC and Mahomes on TB, who wins?

Finally, if Ryan had a slot WR he would have fumbled nor got sacked out of FG range and he would have a ring as well.

If they trade up to #3 overall to pick Mac Jones on draft day I will punch somebody in the mouth.

Originally posted by Dshearn:

Originally posted by flynhayn15:
My point is, when pocket QBs play a top defense at full strength they have very few escape valves, Which in my opinion is why Brady threw so many INTs in the NFC championship game. If you draft a pocket QB, you also need to invest in a top slot WR (Welker or Edelman) and a pass catching 3rd down back (White or Dion) and of course a solid TE which we already invested in.

But even then Brady couldn't beat the Giants and the Eagles Dline, not to mention that game against the Chiefs when Jimmy was still there when people thought he was done.

I suppose next your going to point to all the super bowls Cam Newton, Kapernick, Vick and Mahomes won?

Last i checked it was about as many as Trent Dilfer.

1. Only one of those guys was as accurate from the pocket as Fields is.

2. Why are you conveniently leaving out Russell and Rodgers and even Big Ben who is harder to bring down than Jones?

3. What do you think has the greatest chance of happening Mac reaching Brady's ceiling or Fields reaching Russell's cieling? Please, give some reason why you think so.

Originally posted by 49ers808:

Originally posted by Nastastical:
I so badly wish it were possible for Lynch to wait till the week before the draft to make this trade, but he bought early because Miami might've sold the pick to another potential buyer and left us on the outside looking in. Now we have this place turning on a guy who might be the face of this franchise soon, or calling for the heads of 2 guys who just had us minutes away from a superbowl title in YEAR 3! of a rebuild.

My thoughts still are that Mac Jones is my favorite QB in this ENTIRE draft because I see no real bust potential with him, since at worst he'll be a competent starting game manager, but at best he'll be the next great pocket passer as these older guys fade out.

I also don't think we traded 2 future 1st and a 3rd to play it safe though. Even if Mac Jones hits his ceiling and becomes MVP Matt Ryan, I don't think Lynch and Shanny are giving up that much for a guy that doesn't have transcendent qualities other than his brain, which is obviously a necessity for the position and way too many are underrating it. Still, I don't see us giving up that much to get a Ryan clone because even Matt Ryan can't continuously drag the Falcons into the playoffs since Shanny left. Lynch and Shanny would have to see Mac's upside as even higher than MVP Ryan, meaning Brady/Brees and that's unrealistic expectations for any prospect.

I still think this trade was done for Lance or Fields, with an outside shot that the Jets guys that used to work here, told Lynch that Wilson could be had if we wanted to jump to #2 on draft night. I'm good with whatever choice we make, even if it's not my preferred player being selected. All these QB's have star potential if developed right, but I just feel Mac Jones doesn't need as much as the others do and he'll have a long career no matter what, while the others could be superstars or out of the league in 5 years, after getting everyone fired.

Wow favorite in the entire class with no bust potential for you huh? I don't know how you come away with that for a guy with one season on the best team and best supporting cast in the Country but you do you brah. I feel the complete opposite. I honestly think that it's this team or bust for him. I honestly don't see him being even an average starter on any other team. When you say that he doesn't need as much as the others do and he'll have a long career no matter what, what do you mean by that? You think this guy can go to any team and be a top tier starting QB? We shall see

He has a skillset that usually works in the NFL. It might not turn him into a superstar QB, but it will allow him to stick around for years. The only reason he might bust is because of what we gave up to select him, if he is the choice. You expect a superstar when you trade that many assets to move up. He could be that one day, but I don't see our guys taking that gamble because most guys don't reach their ceiling. His floor is much higher than ANYONE in this draft though because at worst he's still a starting QB in this league, when the others could be looking for a new team before their rookie contract ends. I just don't see that with Mac. He's safer, but I don't think we gave up that much for a safe pick. Lynch and Shanny are swinging for the fences imo.

Originally posted by Nastastical:

Originally posted by 49ers808:

Originally posted by Nastastical:
I so badly wish it were possible for Lynch to wait till the week before the draft to make this trade, but he bought early because Miami might've sold the pick to another potential buyer and left us on the outside looking in. Now we have this place turning on a guy who might be the face of this franchise soon, or calling for the heads of 2 guys who just had us minutes away from a superbowl title in YEAR 3! of a rebuild.

My thoughts still are that Mac Jones is my favorite QB in this ENTIRE draft because I see no real bust potential with him, since at worst he'll be a competent starting game manager, but at best he'll be the next great pocket passer as these older guys fade out.

I also don't think we traded 2 future 1st and a 3rd to play it safe though. Even if Mac Jones hits his ceiling and becomes MVP Matt Ryan, I don't think Lynch and Shanny are giving up that much for a guy that doesn't have transcendent qualities other than his brain, which is obviously a necessity for the position and way too many are underrating it. Still, I don't see us giving up that much to get a Ryan clone because even Matt Ryan can't continuously drag the Falcons into the playoffs since Shanny left. Lynch and Shanny would have to see Mac's upside as even higher than MVP Ryan, meaning Brady/Brees and that's unrealistic expectations for any prospect.

I still think this trade was done for Lance or Fields, with an outside shot that the Jets guys that used to work here, told Lynch that Wilson could be had if we wanted to jump to #2 on draft night. I'm good with whatever choice we make, even if it's not my preferred player being selected. All these QB's have star potential if developed right, but I just feel Mac Jones doesn't need as much as the others do and he'll have a long career no matter what, while the others could be superstars or out of the league in 5 years, after getting everyone fired.

Wow favorite in the entire class with no bust potential for you huh? I don't know how you come away with that for a guy with one season on the best team and best supporting cast in the Country but you do you brah. I feel the complete opposite. I honestly think that it's this team or bust for him. I honestly don't see him being even an average starter on any other team. When you say that he doesn't need as much as the others do and he'll have a long career no matter what, what do you mean by that? You think this guy can go to any team and be a top tier starting QB? We shall see

He has a skillset that usually works in the NFL. It might not turn him into a superstar QB, but it will allow him to stick around for years. The only reason he might bust is because of what we gave up to select him, if he is the choice. You expect a superstar when you trade that many assets to move up. He could be that one day, but I don't see our guys taking that gamble because most guys don't reach their ceiling. His floor is much higher than ANYONE in this draft though because at worst he's still a starting QB in this league, when the others could be looking for a new team before their rookie contract ends. I just don't see that with Mac. He's safer, but I don't think we gave up that much for a safe pick. Lynch and Shanny are swinging for the fences imo.

With the Salary cap and the going rate for QBs, the non super star QBs are the worst way to build a team. You either need a cheap QB whose limitations can be covered up by the team you put around him or an expensive one that can cover up the limitations of the team. The teams with average and above QBs will always struggle.

Originally posted by Nastastical:
I so badly wish it were possible for Lynch to wait till the week before the draft to make this trade, but he bought early because Miami might've sold the pick to another potential buyer and left us on the outside looking in. Now we have this place turning on a guy who might be the face of this franchise soon, or calling for the heads of 2 guys who just had us minutes away from a superbowl title in YEAR 3! of a rebuild.

My thoughts still are that Mac Jones is my favorite QB in this ENTIRE draft because I see no real bust potential with him, since at worst he'll be a competent starting game manager, but at best he'll be the next great pocket passer as these older guys fade out.

I also don't think we traded 2 future 1st and a 3rd to play it safe though. Even if Mac Jones hits his ceiling and becomes MVP Matt Ryan, I don't think Lynch and Shanny are giving up that much for a guy that doesn't have transcendent qualities other than his brain, which is obviously a necessity for the position and way too many are underrating it. Still, I don't see us giving up that much to get a Ryan clone because even Matt Ryan can't continuously drag the Falcons into the playoffs since Shanny left. Lynch and Shanny would have to see Mac's upside as even higher than MVP Ryan, meaning Brady/Brees and that's unrealistic expectations for any prospect.

I still think this trade was done for Lance or Fields, with an outside shot that the Jets guys that used to work here, told Lynch that Wilson could be had if we wanted to jump to #2 on draft night. I'm good with whatever choice we make, even if it's not my preferred player being selected. All these QB's have star potential if developed right, but I just feel Mac Jones doesn't need as much as the others do and he'll have a long career no matter what, while the others could be superstars or out of the league in 5 years, after getting everyone fired.

No bust potential, no real ceiling either. It's like playing nickel slots in Vegas, sure you're not going to lose a lot of money nor will you win any.

Traded 2 first rounders for nickel slots? I'm trying to curb my overwhelming enthusiasm.

Originally posted by Cisco0623:

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:
If this thread gets to 800 pages by Draft day, the 49ers are definitely Mac Jones.

This is rigged! His thread was already very active because we assumed he would be the only an around at our original pick #12. We need to measure the posts from each qb's thread once the trade went public lol

I was bored, so I figured it out. Since the trade their have been 365 pages and 5,485 posts not including this one. It might be kind of lame, but I couldn't resist a challenge.

Originally posted by SanDiego49er:
If they trade up to #3 overall to pick Mac Jones on draft day I will punch somebody in the mouth.

My thoughts exactly.

A question for Mac Stan's, would you still be ok with him if we traded to #1? Or if Trevor was somehow available at #3?