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Originally posted by 1swift:
Originally posted by NCommand:
Originally posted by leonbanton:
Almost made it to 10,000!
I don't classify myself as a hater, but I see a lot of comments confused about the emotional reaction to Mac Jones. I know he would have been a little more accepted if we took him at 12. But to give up what we did to move up to take what people are calling "a great processor" is gonna fan some flames.
I would take the best non quarterback on the board to help the team this year, and classify as an all pro before I can accept Mac Jones. Don't hate em'. Not a good use of resources.

It's really all about philosophy like Cossell said, whether you're inside NFL circles, coaches, personnel or fans.

Mac - elite accuracy, intelligence, processing and leadership. Physically, average and below average off schedule ability. Sarkisian threw everything but the kitchen sink at Jones in the Crimson Tide offense and gave him more freedom than any QB he's ever had. The end results spoke for themselves

Fields/Lance - elite top athletic profiles, mobility to escape and create off schedule throws but run as a last resort, excellent for a move offense, eye popping 40's, big arms, untapped ceiling and diversity. Very very bright.

Mac's college experience is further proof all 3 should sit for a year. All have unique elite skill sets. Kyle will get the max from each.

Can't wait for 2022.

Thats the thing. You're stating Mac has elite accuracy, intelligence, processing, and leadership but failing to mention those attributes to Fields/Lance etc. Nothing says either of those guys are not smart or great leaders etc. Fields, at least, has shown to be consistently accurate as well. And Processing is debatable as well. Even you think Mac is better in all these qualities (I don't) I think each is up for debate if he's better and if so, how much better is he and is he better in such a way that with good coaching the other prospects could not catch up.

Whereas the qualities you've listed for Fields/Lance we know the gap is wide and Mac is never catching up no matter how much better shape he can get into and those attributes are generally not coachable.

Plain and simple he's a lesser prospect with a media machine pumping him up artificially.

This. It'd be really nice to see Jones' supposedly superior intelligence, processing speed, etc. quantified in some way. There's video of all the the top QBs making multiple reads, looking off safeties, adjusting protections, etc. They all worked with big, complex playbooks. But for some reason we're supposed to just accept that Mac Jones is light years better at this stuff than everyone else? Lololol Why?

Jones is a good player, Shanny will draft whoever he wants and I'll live with it, but I don't see the point of granting Jones superpowers that we're not actually sure he possesses.
Originally posted by a49erfan77:
Originally posted by NCommand:
100% of mastering a playbook is still done within the pocket. Off schedule plays are actually not in the playbook.

Bootlegs and designed roll-outs are getting out of the pocket, sir.

Still designed in the playbook (how to block, routes and timing).

How many bootlegs do you think Kyle runs here?
[ Edited by NCommand on Apr 12, 2021 at 12:45 PM ]
Really "opened up" that offense lol

Originally posted by Hysterikal:
Originally posted by NCommand:
It just get crazier and crazier.


This confirms we shouldn't take Jones. Never take advice from someone who wants you fired.

Originally posted by NCommand:
Originally posted by a49erfan77:
Originally posted by NCommand:
100% of mastering a playbook is still done within the pocket. Off schedule plays are actually not in the playbook.

Bootlegs and designed roll-outs are getting out of the pocket, sir.

Still designed in the playbook (how to block, routes and timing).

How many bootlegs do you think Kyle runs here?

boot-action? a f**k ton.
Originally posted by NCommand:
Still designed in the playbook (how to block, routes and timing).

How many bootlegs do you think Kyle runs here?

I know that he'd like to be able to run more than zero of them.
Originally posted by NCommand:
It just get crazier and crazier.


Lol,...a few replies down tho...


Gold.
Originally posted by random49er:
Originally posted by NCommand:
It just get crazier and crazier.


Lol,...a few replies down tho...


Gold.



Does get crazier and crazier loool
Originally posted by NYniner85:
Originally posted by NCommand:
What? How would Ben know what Steve Sarkisian meant by freedom at the line? He has no clue if box reading was his only task. And neither do I as to what it meant by opening up his full offense to a level he's never done before. He's merely deflecting to a semantical "term." You'd have to ask Steve Sarkisian that one. But if it was so easy, he probably would have done it for others? Like Tua?

Now, to the point. We're looking for traits that translate to the NFL. Mastering a Steve Sarkisian offense off-field while fast tracking to an early undergraduate and master's degree and then on-field, getting better and better, is probably a skill set, esp. someone like Kyle with his playbook, is probably high on. Right?

I certainly believe you about the company line here. I've never seen you this convicted about one player. So no worries.

What was overall different? What was opened up? What I got from that comment was they opened the offense up from what they originally had in place for Jones NOT from what they were running overall with Tua.

you didn't like the answer, so you got to your old faithful term...defecting

Mastering a spread offense full of wide open first reads & a ton of RPO/bubble screens stop it. Kid sat for THREE yrs learning the offense. Good on Mac he got a degree at Bama. bravo. Also look like he had some time to go get a DUI and party it up. quite the multitasker.

Unlike you I actually have no problem standing on the table for a prospect (instead of saying you like everyone at a certain position) especially when the team has made the biggest trade in franchise history. If Jones is the pick it's one of the most arrogant picks in NFL history. plain and simple.

A fanboy calling a HC "arrogant" for taking a QB HE feels best for HIS system that HE'S run since he was in diapers is ACTUALLY the most arrogant thing I've read today.
Originally posted by 4ML:
Originally posted by random49er:
Originally posted by NCommand:
It just get crazier and crazier.


Lol,...a few replies down tho...


Gold.



Does get crazier and crazier loool

Full media frenzy. "I'm not saying I disagree with him, just that I disagree with him. If i had to pick today...but all are being considered."

We're about to cycle to Fields then Lance and finally, back to Mac a couple days before the draft.
Originally posted by Jcool:
Just because someone is passionate doesn't mean they are wrong.
Absolutely passionate about his bias no doubt about it.
Originally posted by a49erfan77:
I know that he'd like to be able to run more than zero of them.

Originally posted by NCommand:
It just get crazier and crazier.


Why would i care what Matt Miller thinks about scheme fit? He is barely a good draft evaluator anymore.
Originally posted by DaleGribble:
Originally posted by Jcool:
Just because someone is passionate doesn't mean they are wrong.
Absolutely passionate about his bias no doubt about it.

You sound super objective....
Originally posted by Jcool:
You sound super objective....
Yep I'm the one that lacks objectivity
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