Mac Jones-QB-Jaguars

Insane how some can justify taking Jones over Fields when Jones was a complete after thought before the season started and not even a 1st rounder until he put up numbers on a stacked team

Originally posted by FredFlintstone:
Insane how some can justify taking Jones over Fields when Jones was a complete after thought before the season started and not even a 1st rounder until he put up numbers on a stacked team

How is it insane....he's pretty much following a similar trajectory much like last years #1 overall Joe Burrow...and the year before that in Kyler Murray and even the year before that in Baker Mayfield.

Originally posted by BSofSF:

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:
I think if people are being truly objective, they can admit that Fields is the QB that most fits the view of what a Top 5 pick should be. Good size, upper level physical potential, high quality resume and production, fits all the necessary boxes on leadership ability and coachability.

Jones is someone I would have been completely happy with at #12 and if the 49ers take him at #3 then to me that's a sign that Shanahan believes he's getting Matt Ryan or better. Agree or disagree, I think that's the level of belief that it would take to pull the trigger on Jones that early after having traded up.

With Lance there's far more upside and potential but a limited resume and amount of production, even in a championship game you have a QB that did far more damage with legs than with his arm. Plenty of room to grow and improve but once again, if they draft him then to me that means that Shanahan believes he's getting a Josh Allen or pre-injury Carson Wentz with that pick. That has to be the belief to pull the trigger on Lance that early.

I'm primarily in the "don't draft a bust" category so I hope they end up with the right one, or at least the best of the three that will be available to them.

I can't get past the level of competition with Lance. He is a man playing amongst boys in his videos, but I don't see it ending as well when he tries to truck an NFL strong safety at the end of one of his runs. And I don't think NFL corners are going to spot his receivers 7 yards open on every downfield throw. Maybe he'll be an epic story, but it's a big gamble. Gotta go Fields if you're transitioning to a dual threat QB IMO. I'm fine with Jones and won't b***h about the trade, though I think it's too rich for his talent level. That's on Shanahan and Lynch. Wilson, I know the least about since it's been so widely reported he'll be gone. Interesting scenario above, though, that maybe the Jets become enamored with Fields and dropping Wilson to us.

The biggest red flag for me with Lance is he threw for under 80 yards in the FCS championship game. Even though he threw zero interceptions that season, in the biggest game of the season, his coach trusted his legs more than his arm. I think my Kaepernick PTSD, prevents me from getting on the Lance train.

Originally posted by FredFlintstone:
Insane how some can justify taking Jones over Fields when Jones was a complete after thought before the season started and not even a 1st rounder until he put up numbers on a stacked team

So like Joe Burrow in 2019 and Zach Wilson last year?

Originally posted by flynhayn15:

Originally posted by BSofSF:

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:
I think if people are being truly objective, they can admit that Fields is the QB that most fits the view of what a Top 5 pick should be. Good size, upper level physical potential, high quality resume and production, fits all the necessary boxes on leadership ability and coachability.

Jones is someone I would have been completely happy with at #12 and if the 49ers take him at #3 then to me that's a sign that Shanahan believes he's getting Matt Ryan or better. Agree or disagree, I think that's the level of belief that it would take to pull the trigger on Jones that early after having traded up.

With Lance there's far more upside and potential but a limited resume and amount of production, even in a championship game you have a QB that did far more damage with legs than with his arm. Plenty of room to grow and improve but once again, if they draft him then to me that means that Shanahan believes he's getting a Josh Allen or pre-injury Carson Wentz with that pick. That has to be the belief to pull the trigger on Lance that early.

I'm primarily in the "don't draft a bust" category so I hope they end up with the right one, or at least the best of the three that will be available to them.

I can't get past the level of competition with Lance. He is a man playing amongst boys in his videos, but I don't see it ending as well when he tries to truck an NFL strong safety at the end of one of his runs. And I don't think NFL corners are going to spot his receivers 7 yards open on every downfield throw. Maybe he'll be an epic story, but it's a big gamble. Gotta go Fields if you're transitioning to a dual threat QB IMO. I'm fine with Jones and won't b***h about the trade, though I think it's too rich for his talent level. That's on Shanahan and Lynch. Wilson, I know the least about since it's been so widely reported he'll be gone. Interesting scenario above, though, that maybe the Jets become enamored with Fields and dropping Wilson to us.

The biggest red flag for me with Lance is he threw for under 80 yards in the FCS championship game. Even though he threw zero interceptions that season, in the biggest game of the season, his coach trusted his legs more than his arm. I think my Kaepernick PTSD, prevents me from getting on the Lance train.

And Fields only threw for 114 yards and two picks against Northwestern in the Big 10 Championship...if it wasn't for his 5 star RB rushing for 331 yards and 2 TD's to carry him and Ohio State into that victory they wouldn't have even made it into the playoffs. Just two games later Fields only managed 194 yards in the biggest game of his career only to see his team blown out by a Mac Jones led Alabama.

But Lance on the other hand gets knocked for his 80 yards passing despite winning the FCS championship on a 40 yard TD run to add to his 166 yards on the ground that day.

Lance has the intangibles of a winner and you shouldn't fault him for the play calls his team makes.

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:

Originally posted by FredFlintstone:
Insane how some can justify taking Jones over Fields when Jones was a complete after thought before the season started and not even a 1st rounder until he put up numbers on a stacked team

So like Joe Burrow in 2019 and Zach Wilson last year?

Burrow is was such a better prospect than Jones and Wilson can be argued isn't better than Fields and is getting hyped up.

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:

Originally posted by FredFlintstone:
Insane how some can justify taking Jones over Fields when Jones was a complete after thought before the season started and not even a 1st rounder until he put up numbers on a stacked team

So like Joe Burrow in 2019 and Zach Wilson last year?

Mitchell Trubisky, Cam Newton, Mark Sanchez. Kyler Murray , Dwayne Haskins

Originally posted by jcs:

Originally posted by FredFlintstone:
Insane how some can justify taking Jones over Fields when Jones was a complete after thought before the season started and not even a 1st rounder until he put up numbers on a stacked team

How is it insane....he's pretty much following a similar trajectory much like last years #1 overall Joe Burrow...and the year before that in Kyler Murray and even the year before that in Baker Mayfield.

Jones isn't even in the same status as Murray for one and it was questionable as hell Mayfield was taken 1 in a weak class

Originally posted by blizzuntz:

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:

Originally posted by FredFlintstone:
Insane how some can justify taking Jones over Fields when Jones was a complete after thought before the season started and not even a 1st rounder until he put up numbers on a stacked team

So like Joe Burrow in 2019 and Zach Wilson last year?

Mitchell Trubisky, Cam Newton, Mark Sanchez. Kyler Murray , Dwayne Haskins

Most trash that every damn year get hyped up because teams desperately need qbs. Just like the Christian Ponder and EJ Manuel year. If anyone believes Jones is a better prospect than Fields and prefer him over Fields must be friends and family of Jones

Originally posted by FredFlintstone:

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:

Originally posted by FredFlintstone:
Insane how some can justify taking Jones over Fields when Jones was a complete after thought before the season started and not even a 1st rounder until he put up numbers on a stacked team

So like Joe Burrow in 2019 and Zach Wilson last year?

Burrow is was such a better prospect than Jones and Wilson can be argued isn't better than Fields and is getting hyped up.

What makes Burrow such a better prospect?...he didn't exactly play on a team loaded with scrubs. He was literally a 4th-5th round projection before he went into that season.

Originally posted by jcs:

Originally posted by FredFlintstone:

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:

Originally posted by FredFlintstone:
Insane how some can justify taking Jones over Fields when Jones was a complete after thought before the season started and not even a 1st rounder until he put up numbers on a stacked team

So like Joe Burrow in 2019 and Zach Wilson last year?

Burrow is was such a better prospect than Jones and Wilson can be argued isn't better than Fields and is getting hyped up.

What makes Burrow such a better prospect?...he didn't exactly play on a team loaded with scrubs. He was literally a 4th-5th round projection before he went into that season.

Mobility and a better arm and what was Jones projection before the season? Burrow does everything Jones' lovers claim he does but much better athlete

Originally posted by blizzuntz:
Mitchell Trubisky, Cam Newton, Mark Sanchez. Kyler Murray , Dwayne Haskins

Are we just randomly throwing out names or what? Kyler Murray has done fine thus far in the NFL. Cam Newton was league MVP. Haskins was just a dumbass who was never committed to being a pro and Trubisky is a case of a raw, athletic passer that has not properly developed the basic necessities for the position.

Originally posted by FredFlintstone:
Mobility and a better arm and what was Jones projection before the season? Burrow does everything Jones' lovers claim he does but much better athlete

Who cares? He has a first round projection now. You're so fixated on what he was before the season and we're talking about what he is now. You can agree or disagree with him however you like, he's a legit first rounder, whether he ends up with the 49ers or some other team.

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:

Originally posted by blizzuntz:
Mitchell Trubisky, Cam Newton, Mark Sanchez. Kyler Murray , Dwayne Haskins

Are we just randomly throwing out names or what? Kyler Murray has done fine thus far in the NFL. Cam Newton was league MVP. Haskins was just a dumbass who was never committed to being a pro and Trubisky is a case of a raw, athletic passer that has not properly developed the basic necessities for the position.

There is nothing random about that list (seemed obvious)

it's exactly what is being discussed