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Originally posted by jcs:
And Fields only threw for 114 yards and two picks against Northwestern in the Big 10 Championship...if it wasn't for his 5 star RB rushing for 331 yards and 2 TD's to carry him and Ohio State into that victory they wouldn't have even made it into the playoffs. Just two games later Fields only managed 194 yards in the biggest game of his career only to see his team blown out by a Mac Jones led Alabama.

But Lance on the other hand gets knocked for his 80 yards passing despite winning the FCS championship on a 40 yard TD run to add to his 166 yards on the ground that day.

Lance has the intangibles of a winner and you shouldn't fault him for the play calls his team makes.

Strange you leave out fields having one of the greatest performances in playoff history and doing it w broken ribs
Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:
Originally posted by FredFlintstone:
Mobility and a better arm and what was Jones projection before the season? Burrow does everything Jones' lovers claim he does but much better athlete

Who cares? He has a first round projection now. You're so fixated on what he was before the season and we're talking about what he is now. You can agree or disagree with him however you like, he's a legit first rounder, whether he ends up with the 49ers or some other team.

Nah I'm fixated he can't hold Fields' jockstrap and shouldn't be the pick.
Originally posted by blizzuntz:
Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:
Originally posted by blizzuntz:
Mitchell Trubisky, Cam Newton, Mark Sanchez. Kyler Murray , Dwayne Haskins

Are we just randomly throwing out names or what? Kyler Murray has done fine thus far in the NFL. Cam Newton was league MVP. Haskins was just a dumbass who was never committed to being a pro and Trubisky is a case of a raw, athletic passer that has not properly developed the basic necessities for the position.

There is nothing random about that list (seemed obvious)

it's exactly what is being discussed

Exactly, qbs getting pushed up rounds because every damn year teams need qbs. Nothing random about that list
Originally posted by FredFlintstone:
Nah I'm fixated he can't hold Fields' jockstrap and shouldn't be the pick.

Eitherway its out of your control. Whether the 49ers draft Fields, Lance or Jones, I'll see your 49ers-addicted ass on here next season, just admit it and let's move on.
Originally posted by blizzuntz:
There is nothing random about that list (seemed obvious)

it's exactly what is being discussed

Except two of those names aren't helping your case any. Kyler Murray looks like a very good quarterback thus far, he's got some limitations, the biggest being how inept his offensive coordinator/OC is but he's done damn well. Burrow was looking pretty good before he got injured after coming out of nowhere his final year in college. Cam had some very good years in the NFL as well. Someone's going to make Jones a first rounder and he's going to be a starter in the NFL sooner rather than later.
Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:
Originally posted by blizzuntz:
There is nothing random about that list (seemed obvious)

it's exactly what is being discussed

Except two of those names aren't helping your case any. Kyler Murray looks like a very good quarterback thus far, he's got some limitations, the biggest being how inept his offensive coordinator/OC is but he's done damn well. Burrow was looking pretty good before he got injured after coming out of nowhere his final year in college. Cam had some very good years in the NFL as well. Someone's going to make Jones a first rounder and he's going to be a starter in the NFL sooner rather than later.

Lol what's my case ?

you named 2 one year starters, I named the rest since 2000

stop being so sensitive
[ Edited by blizzuntz on Apr 12, 2021 at 9:01 PM ]
Originally posted by blizzuntz:
Lol what's my case ?

you named 2 one year starters, I named the rest since 2000

stop being so sensitive


Wilson isn't a one year starter so I'm not sure why you thought that was my point to begin with. The point I was trying to make is that QB's come from largely out of nowhere nearly every single year. It isn't unusual whatsoever.

Whether they were one year, two year or three year starters, there's always QB's that blow up and move into the first round discussion. Lamar Jackson was another. No one had him anywhere near the first round after his sophomore year and many thought he'd have to change position in the NFL. Carson Wentz sure wasn't in the discussion as a first rounder, let alone a Top 10 pick. There were people that had Mahomes as a fifth or sixth rounder back in 2016. Next year will be the same thing, some QB is going to have a monster final year and move way up into the first round discussion.
Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:
Originally posted by blizzuntz:
Lol what's my case ?

you named 2 one year starters, I named the rest since 2000

stop being so sensitive


Wilson isn't a one year starter so I'm not sure why you thought that was my point to begin with. The point I was trying to make is that QB's come from largely out of nowhere nearly every single year. It isn't unusual whatsoever.

Whether they were one year, two year or three year starters, there's always QB's that blow up and move into the first round discussion. Lamar Jackson was another. No one had him anywhere near the first round after his sophomore year and many thought he'd have to change position in the NFL. Carson Wentz sure wasn't in the discussion as a first rounder, let alone a Top 10 pick.

Not ever hearing of Zach until this year I made the wrong assumption that he was a one year starter

which explains the confusion
Originally posted by BSofSF:
Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:
I think if people are being truly objective, they can admit that Fields is the QB that most fits the view of what a Top 5 pick should be. Good size, upper level physical potential, high quality resume and production, fits all the necessary boxes on leadership ability and coachability.

Jones is someone I would have been completely happy with at #12 and if the 49ers take him at #3 then to me that's a sign that Shanahan believes he's getting Matt Ryan or better. Agree or disagree, I think that's the level of belief that it would take to pull the trigger on Jones that early after having traded up.

With Lance there's far more upside and potential but a limited resume and amount of production, even in a championship game you have a QB that did far more damage with legs than with his arm. Plenty of room to grow and improve but once again, if they draft him then to me that means that Shanahan believes he's getting a Josh Allen or pre-injury Carson Wentz with that pick. That has to be the belief to pull the trigger on Lance that early.

I'm primarily in the "don't draft a bust" category so I hope they end up with the right one, or at least the best of the three that will be available to them.

I can't get past the level of competition with Lance. He is a man playing amongst boys in his videos, but I don't see it ending as well when he tries to truck an NFL strong safety at the end of one of his runs. And I don't think NFL corners are going to spot his receivers 7 yards open on every downfield throw. Maybe he'll be an epic story, but it's a big gamble. Gotta go Fields if you're transitioning to a dual threat QB IMO. I'm fine with Jones and won't b***h about the trade, though I think it's too rich for his talent level. That's on Shanahan and Lynch. Wilson, I know the least about since it's been so widely reported he'll be gone. Interesting scenario above, though, that maybe the Jets become enamored with Fields and dropping Wilson to us.

I love that write up Phoenix, and that pretty much sums up my thoughts.

The only thing I disagree with is downgrading Lance for running a lot, so many were designed runs, and I don't ding people for things out of their control.

BS, I disagree that you take Fields or Lance to transition into a dual threat QB offense, you just take the player that you think will have the best career with your team, and help you win the most.
PFF Pros and Cons

5. MAC JONES, ALABAMA Biggest pro: Accuracy Jones was deadly accurate week in and week out this past season. Just 14% of his passes beyond the line of scrimmage were deemed inaccurate by PFF's ball-charting process. Not only did that top all quarterbacks in 2020, but it was better than any quarterback since PFF began charting that data in 2018 — including Joe Burrow. Pinpoint accuracy was a key reason that Jones finished 2020 with the lowest single-season negatively graded throw rate in PFF's seven years of grading college football.

This throw from Mac Jones is stupid good pic.twitter.com/6XR30J2Fyi

— Clint Lamb (@ClintRLamb) November 21, 2020

Biggest con: Easy situation The biggest criticisms of Jones center on his middling physical tools and the near-perfect situation around him at Alabama, with now-Texas head coach Steve Sarkisian calling plays and Heisman Trophy winner DeVonta Smith featuring as the team's top target. That said, Jones' timing was pristine, and he was vital in the execution of a historically great offense that put up the highest successful pass play rate in the PFF College era (61%).
https://www.pff.com/news/draft-2021-nfl-draft-biggest-pro-con-top-qb-prospects
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Jones lacks arm strength - that's my biggest bug a boo with him.
Originally posted by mayo49:
Jones lacks arm strength - that's my biggest bug a boo with him.

he can make every throw though
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Originally posted by DonnieDarko:
Originally posted by mayo49:
Jones lacks arm strength - that's my biggest bug a boo with him.

he can make every throw though

Yeah, he makes up for it with great anticipation.
Originally posted by DonnieDarko:
he can make every throw though

So can Jimmy G. But he doesn't because it's the nfl. Those windows are tighter, and a fields type arm is needed. Mac has an ok arm, like Jim, but as history has shown eventually it's going to hamstring your offense. Macs pass chart looks an awful lot like Jimmy's. Fields can and will get the ball to any and every spot on the field
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