Mac Jones-QB-Jaguars

Originally posted by frenchmov:

Originally posted by DonnieDarko:
he can make every throw though

So can Jimmy G. But he doesn't because it's the nfl. Those windows are tighter, and a fields type arm is needed. Mac has an ok arm, like Jim, but as history has shown eventually it's going to hamstring your offense. Macs pass chart looks an awful lot like Jimmy's. Fields can and will get the ball to any and every spot on the field

Jimmy is getting pushed out because he can no longer be trusted to stay healthy, not because of his arm.

Originally posted by DonnieDarko:
Jimmy is getting pushed out because he can no longer be trusted to stay healthy, not because of his arm.

Taje a look at his pass chart and how teams have played him. He doesn't throw outside, doesn't throw deep. That is what Mac will be with his arm

Originally posted by frenchmov:

Originally posted by DonnieDarko:
Jimmy is getting pushed out because he can no longer be trusted to stay healthy, not because of his arm.

Taje a look at his pass chart and how teams have played him. He doesn't throw outside, doesn't throw deep. That is what Mac will be with his arm

I saw Mac connect plenty downfield, not worried in the slightest. My only knock on him is his athleticism. If Kyle values that then Mac aint his guy.

Originally posted by frenchmov:

Originally posted by DonnieDarko:
Jimmy is getting pushed out because he can no longer be trusted to stay healthy, not because of his arm.

Taje a look at his pass chart and how teams have played him. He doesn't throw outside, doesn't throw deep. That is what Mac will be with his arm

Mac throws with much better anticipation than Jimmy does. He'll be fine.

Originally posted by 49erBigMac:

Originally posted by BSofSF:

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:
I think if people are being truly objective, they can admit that Fields is the QB that most fits the view of what a Top 5 pick should be. Good size, upper level physical potential, high quality resume and production, fits all the necessary boxes on leadership ability and coachability.

Jones is someone I would have been completely happy with at #12 and if the 49ers take him at #3 then to me that's a sign that Shanahan believes he's getting Matt Ryan or better. Agree or disagree, I think that's the level of belief that it would take to pull the trigger on Jones that early after having traded up.

With Lance there's far more upside and potential but a limited resume and amount of production, even in a championship game you have a QB that did far more damage with legs than with his arm. Plenty of room to grow and improve but once again, if they draft him then to me that means that Shanahan believes he's getting a Josh Allen or pre-injury Carson Wentz with that pick. That has to be the belief to pull the trigger on Lance that early.

I'm primarily in the "don't draft a bust" category so I hope they end up with the right one, or at least the best of the three that will be available to them.

I can't get past the level of competition with Lance. He is a man playing amongst boys in his videos, but I don't see it ending as well when he tries to truck an NFL strong safety at the end of one of his runs. And I don't think NFL corners are going to spot his receivers 7 yards open on every downfield throw. Maybe he'll be an epic story, but it's a big gamble. Gotta go Fields if you're transitioning to a dual threat QB IMO. I'm fine with Jones and won't b***h about the trade, though I think it's too rich for his talent level. That's on Shanahan and Lynch. Wilson, I know the least about since it's been so widely reported he'll be gone. Interesting scenario above, though, that maybe the Jets become enamored with Fields and dropping Wilson to us.

I love that write up Phoenix, and that pretty much sums up my thoughts.

The only thing I disagree with is downgrading Lance for running a lot, so many were designed runs, and I don't ding people for things out of their control.

BS, I disagree that you take Fields or Lance to transition into a dual threat QB offense, you just take the player that you think will have the best career with your team, and help you win the most.

You can't hold designed runs against him, but the coaches tell you home much they trust him to throw by the play calls.

Originally posted by FredFlintstone:

Mobility and a better arm and what was Jones projection before the season? Burrow does everything Jones' lovers claim he does but much better athlete

Not true. Burrow was a 4.9 40, Mac is a 4.7. Mac had good 3 cone and shuttle. Arm strength about the same

Originally posted by flynhayn15:

Originally posted by 49erBigMac:

Originally posted by BSofSF:

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:
I think if people are being truly objective, they can admit that Fields is the QB that most fits the view of what a Top 5 pick should be. Good size, upper level physical potential, high quality resume and production, fits all the necessary boxes on leadership ability and coachability.

Jones is someone I would have been completely happy with at #12 and if the 49ers take him at #3 then to me that's a sign that Shanahan believes he's getting Matt Ryan or better. Agree or disagree, I think that's the level of belief that it would take to pull the trigger on Jones that early after having traded up.

With Lance there's far more upside and potential but a limited resume and amount of production, even in a championship game you have a QB that did far more damage with legs than with his arm. Plenty of room to grow and improve but once again, if they draft him then to me that means that Shanahan believes he's getting a Josh Allen or pre-injury Carson Wentz with that pick. That has to be the belief to pull the trigger on Lance that early.

I'm primarily in the "don't draft a bust" category so I hope they end up with the right one, or at least the best of the three that will be available to them.

I can't get past the level of competition with Lance. He is a man playing amongst boys in his videos, but I don't see it ending as well when he tries to truck an NFL strong safety at the end of one of his runs. And I don't think NFL corners are going to spot his receivers 7 yards open on every downfield throw. Maybe he'll be an epic story, but it's a big gamble. Gotta go Fields if you're transitioning to a dual threat QB IMO. I'm fine with Jones and won't b***h about the trade, though I think it's too rich for his talent level. That's on Shanahan and Lynch. Wilson, I know the least about since it's been so widely reported he'll be gone. Interesting scenario above, though, that maybe the Jets become enamored with Fields and dropping Wilson to us.

I love that write up Phoenix, and that pretty much sums up my thoughts.

The only thing I disagree with is downgrading Lance for running a lot, so many were designed runs, and I don't ding people for things out of their control.

BS, I disagree that you take Fields or Lance to transition into a dual threat QB offense, you just take the player that you think will have the best career with your team, and help you win the most.

You can't hold designed runs against him, but the coaches tell you home much they trust him to throw by the play calls.

Yeah I agree with that to a point, the issue is how devastating he was as a runner, it might not be that they don't trust him, just want him to either take layups or use his superior running ability.

Again I don't blame him, but if anyone wants to say, well that has left him a less developed passer I'd agree.

It comes down to whether you think you can develop it, or if you want to go with someone who has already developed.

Which level will end up higher, and what will help you win over the span of their careers, that's what our guys need to answer

Originally posted by maxsmart:

Originally posted by FredFlintstone:
Mobility and a better arm and what was Jones projection before the season? Burrow does everything Jones' lovers claim he does but much better athlete

Not true. Burrow was a 4.9 40, Mac is a 4.7. Mac had good 3 cone and shuttle. Arm strength about the same

Please show me a clip of Mac doing this or anything close to it:

Does Jones being leaked to the Niners make it less likely of him being the pick? How often does the Niners draft the player people expect? Last year everyone was expecting one of the top 3 WR's,Jeudy,Lamb, or Ruggs to be the pick at 13 but instead they traded back 1 spot and with still Lamb and Jeudy on the board they drafted Kinlaw. Then traded up to draft Aiyuk, A WR that wasn't even on the Niners radar as far as the media was concerned. I am expecting more surprises this year. Something is going to happen that nobody expected, Not even the most credible reporters.

Originally posted by a49erfan77:

Originally posted by maxsmart:

Originally posted by FredFlintstone:
Mobility and a better arm and what was Jones projection before the season? Burrow does everything Jones' lovers claim he does but much better athlete

Not true. Burrow was a 4.9 40, Mac is a 4.7. Mac had good 3 cone and shuttle. Arm strength about the same

Please show me a clip of Mac doing this or anything close to it:

Absolutely, and it's not just running ability, one of Burrows strengths was his ability to create out of structure. Mac has about one play of doing that.

Mac is a good QB prospect, but I'm not sure what's more annoying, people trying to pump him up as a great one, or people dumping on him suggesting he's trash.

Both are utterly incorrect.

Originally posted by 49erBigMac:
Absolutely, and it's not just running ability, one of Burrows strengths was his ability to create out of structure. Mac has about one play of doing that.

Mac is a good QB prospect, but I'm not sure what's more annoying, people trying to pump him up as a great one, or people dumping on him suggesting he's trash.

Both are utterly incorrect.

Agreed. I don't think he is trash, I just don't want him at #3.

I don't like the idea of Jones at 3, but if he is the pick, then let's hope he's special.

I think, in fairness to him, he has shown a willingness to throw it outside and to throw it deep, which is encouraging. Now will the ball get there safely in the NFL? That's a question for Shanahan and Lynch to determine. If he has similar limitations to Jimmy in regard to where he can throw the ball in the NFL, then I think it's a waste of a pick considering the alternatives, even if we are fairly successful with him.

I heard this on a podcast and it makes a huge amount of sense once you think about it. Atlanta are really trying to trade down from 4 with a QB needy team. They'll obviously only do it if they get a decent haul in return. Could they be the team who have spread the Mac to the Niners at 3 story? Now, you have Justin Fields or in a fairly unlikely scenario, maybe even Zach Wilson available at 4 and 4 is a much more appealing pick to QB needy teams. As it stands, teams like Denver and New England might be happy enough to wait for Lance or Jones to fall to them or move up only a few spots to grab them. If Atlanta spread the Mac rumor, they potentially stand to gain a lot of draft capital as a result.

Originally posted by Irishniner:
I don't like the idea of Jones at 3, but if he is the pick, then let's hope he's special.

I think, in fairness to him, he has shown a willingness to throw it outside and to throw it deep, which is encouraging. Now will the ball get there safely in the NFL? That's a question for Shanahan and Lynch to determine. If he has similar limitations to Jimmy in regard to where he can throw the ball in the NFL, then I think it's a waste of a pick considering the alternatives, even if we are fairly successful with him.

I heard this on a podcast and it makes a huge amount of sense once you think about it. Atlanta are really trying to trade down from 4 with a QB needy team. They'll obviously only do it if they get a decent haul in return. Could they be the team who have spread the Mac to the Niners at 3 story? Now, you have Justin Fields or in a fairly unlikely scenario, maybe even Zach Wilson available at 4 and 4 is a much more appealing pick to QB needy teams. As it stands, teams like Denver and New England might be happy enough to wait for Lance or Jones to fall to them or move up only a few spots to grab them. If Atlanta spread the Mac rumor, they potentially stand to gain a lot of draft capital as a result.

Have to imagine that no team is dumb enough to trade up to 4 until the 49ers have made their pick and it's clear which QBs are still there.

Originally posted by DonnieDarko:

Originally posted by frenchmov:

Originally posted by DonnieDarko:
Jimmy is getting pushed out because he can no longer be trusted to stay healthy, not because of his arm.

Taje a look at his pass chart and how teams have played him. He doesn't throw outside, doesn't throw deep. That is what Mac will be with his arm

I saw Mac connect plenty downfield, not worried in the slightest. My only knock on him is his athleticism. If Kyle values that then Mac aint his guy.

Agree, I dont know where folks think his arm is a noodle arm. Its NFL caliber and can make every pass Kyle will want him to make. I think there is a video in his *high school* days of him throwing a 65 yard TD. I like all three QBs, but any of theses QBs has like a 40% chance of being a bust despite all the film study us amatures do on them.