Super Bowl LVII - First ever Super Bowl to feature two African American Quarterbacks.

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:
If it was within 5 yards I do not believe so. But this, this is a foul. It's not even up for debate. It's an undeniable fact that this was holding. The only argument the Eagles fans can make is that given the gravity of the moment the refs should have let the foul occur and not called the (correct) call.

As long as you do it consistently. What you shouldn't do is call Chris Culliver for holding in the field of play but then allow Jimmy Smith to do the same thing to Crabtree in the endzone.

The issue with the refs is consistency. Or lack thereof

So you would prefer that they call a penalty on every other play. They could if they wanted to be consistent. They don't have the advantage of slowing the game and looking at the play from different angles. Most of them are average size people who's view can often be blocked by some huge lineman. They can't possibly see every foul and they can't call every one they see. The games would take 4 hours to play if they started doing that.

It was the right call. But why does it seem like the "right" calls are only called in favor of KC? If Bosa is awarded holding on 3rd and 15 would people be upset? No, because it was the right call. Refs just decided to eat their whistles in that situation.

It was a good game that was close all the way. The officials didn't ruin the game by calling too many penalties There wasn't a lot of injuries. Both QBs played well. In the end one team made 3 big mistakes that cost them the game. The other one didn't make any and won. Just like you would predict prior to a game matching evenly matched teams. The one that makes the fewest mistakes usually wins.

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:
I think there's discretion with any call. If it were like the one they missed earlier on Juju I'd agree with the call, but when you literally have to get a still at the perfect angle to justify a penalty, I don't think there's nearly enough there to decide the season on that call

The only person who's decision matters, the official who made the call, has a better view then any tv camera angle we'll ever see.

The reason that flag was thrown was because the official saw Bradberry pulling on Juju's jersey.

I guarantee you that it doesn't get thrown if he doesn't pull at the jersey.

Want to say massive respect to Bradbury for not pointing fingers and manning up big time. You don't see that very often. How refreshing. Can't remember the last time a guy said I fouled in any spot, let alone Super Bowl final moments.

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:
So you would prefer that they call a penalty on every other play. They could if they wanted to be consistent. They don't have the advantage of slowing the game and looking at the play from different angles. Most of them are average size people who's view can often be blocked by some huge lineman. They can't possibly see every foul and they can't call every one they see. The games would take 4 hours to play if they started doing that.

I'd like consistency. You can bet they let holding like Bradberry did go multiple times in the game.

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:

So you would prefer that they call a penalty on every other play. They could if they wanted to be consistent. They don't have the advantage of slowing the game and looking at the play from different angles. Most of them are average size people who's view can often be blocked by some huge lineman. They can't possibly see every foul and they can't call every one they see. The games would take 4 hours to play if they started doing that.

I'd like consistency. You can bet they let holding like Bradberry did go multiple times in the game.

Exactly. If we broke down every play, we would find these technical penalties 95% of the time (if not 100%). If you're going to close what could have been an all time game out on a penalty, it just can't be one that's routinely ignored.

Did Hirts arm get hit on that Hail Mary? If not, it was one of the worst tries ever.

Originally posted by Bluesbro:
Did Hirts arm get hit on that Hail Mary? If not, it was one of the worst tries ever.

Tried to put too much mustard on it and it ended up being mustard juice.

Originally posted by Bluesbro:
Did Hirts arm get hit on that Hail Mary? If not, it was one of the worst tries ever.

His foot stepped on Kelce's

https://www.sportskeeda.com/nfl/news-why-jalen-hurts-hail-mary-pass-woefully-short-video-shows-real-reason-behind-eagles-qb-s-weak-attempt

Originally posted by Leathaface:
It was the right call. But why does it seem like the "right" calls are only called in favor of KC? If Bosa is awarded holding on 3rd and 15 would people be upset? No, because it was the right call. Refs just decided to eat their whistles in that situation.

By not calling any holding the indirectly protect the NFL money making golden child QB.

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:

Originally posted by Oscar8325:
Colin Cowherd was absolutely right this morning. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u_WDxLkPagQ. The Philly defense wasn't as good as advertised because they were not tested all season long. The 70 sacks that made them a "juggernaut" were against very bad teams with below average QB's. Very good defense against bad teams, put them against a good team, good QB, they are just average. We saw it last night.

You could say the same about the 49ers defense.

When? Are you talking about the game where we had no QB which lead to continuous 3 and outs that gave the ball to Eagle offense for 37 minutes. The defense was tired and frustrated. In this superbowl, KC had ball for only 24 minutes, scored on every possession in the second half. Philly's defense should of been rested and ready to go.

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:

Originally posted by Rathof44:

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:

Originally posted by Rathof44:

Originally posted by Stanley:
Jalen Hurts is about to get a massive contract. Without this team around him, it's gonna end up biting Philly in the ass

Maybe. IMO, he did just outplay Mahomes

He cost his team a 14 point swing with that fumble so I'd say he didn't.

To each his own. 14 point swing? lol. You have no idea if Philly scores a TD or a FG on that drive, they just went from 3rd and inches to 3rd and 6,

At minimum it's a seven point swing in a three point game.

His QB rating was lower than Mahomes even though he had more yards. You get penalized big time when you throw an INT or lose a fumble. Mahomes played a flawless game even though his ankle was still an issue. He refused to let it keep him from performing. Look at that big run he had in the 4th quarter.

That run tells me his ankle wasn't an issue at all, drama queen. Hurts accounted 70% of his teams rushing yards and 29 of its 35 points. 3 rushing TDs was NFL record. Really carried his entire team and the defense that led the leagues in sacks yet shat down it's leg in the SB. Don't forget Philly was still up by 10 at halftime despite Hurt's mistake. Defense was the main reason Philly lost, plain and simple. And no defense is gonna get a call when Mahomes is on the other side.

Originally posted by linkboy:

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:
If it was within 5 yards I do not believe so. But this, this is a foul. It's not even up for debate. It's an undeniable fact that this was holding. The only argument the Eagles fans can make is that given the gravity of the moment the refs should have let the foul occur and not called the (correct) call.

The five yard bump zone doesn't apply to defensive holding.

You're allowed to use your hands to try to knock the offensive player off his route, but you can't grab him or his jersey.

Also, the situation of a game doesn't matter, the rules are the rules. If you start letting the situation determine what called and isn't called, you're impacting the game in a much worse way.

AAgree with the poster who suggested that the stop photo is misleading. If you see the play in real time you realize there was almost zero impedance. So discretion would be perfectly valid to use in choosing not to throw a flag. The previous hold on Schuster should have been called and wasn't this hold shouldn't have been called but was. The net result was killing any chance Philly had to come back and tie the game. It was terrible decision making and most people recognize that.

Additionally most folks are still wondering what happened to the Philly defense which played like they were on horse tranquilizers the second half. It was a very unsatisfying Super Bowl on many competitive levels.