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Originally posted by linkboy:
Originally posted by CharlieSheen:
It wasn't the time to suddenly call things on technicalities.

If you're going 2mph over the speed limit, technically you're speeding and can get a ticket. Is that really what the law was made for though? Do cops even bother?

Now imagine the stakes get higher and they make speeding a felony. Now all of a sudden a cop decides to get technical and enforces 2mph "speeding".

That's basically what happened

Going by that logic, you're basically saying that the league should toss the rulebook out in the final two minutes.

Might as well just sent the refs home at that point.

How is that? The refs need to be there to enforce the rules based on why they were made, not end the season on some technicalities. Trust me I'm so happy that the eagles have to eat this, but I worry about the product of the game. Especially with the amount of people they've brainwashed into thinking that was a good call in that moment
Originally posted by linkboy:
Originally posted by brodiebluebanaszak:
Watch the play.

Learn the rules.

Please don't ever ref an important game.
Originally posted by blizzuntz:
Originally posted by brodiebluebanaszak:
Originally posted by linkboy:
Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:
If it was within 5 yards I do not believe so. But this, this is a foul. It's not even up for debate. It's an undeniable fact that this was holding. The only argument the Eagles fans can make is that given the gravity of the moment the refs should have let the foul occur and not called the (correct) call.

The five yard bump zone doesn't apply to defensive holding.

You're allowed to use your hands to try to knock the offensive player off his route, but you can't grab him or his jersey.

Also, the situation of a game doesn't matter, the rules are the rules. If you start letting the situation determine what called and isn't called, you're impacting the game in a much worse way.

AAgree with the poster who suggested that the stop photo is misleading. If you see the play in real time you realize there was almost zero impedance. So discretion would be perfectly valid to use in choosing not to throw a flag. The previous hold on Schuster should have been called and wasn't this hold shouldn't have been called but was. The net result was killing any chance Philly had to come back and tie the game. It was terrible decision making and most people recognize that.

Additionally most folks are still wondering what happened to the Philly defense which played like they were on horse tranquilizers the second half. It was a very unsatisfying Super Bowl on many competitive levels.

He has a hand full of jersey

It was an infraction that shouldn't have been called because it didn't meaningfully influence the play in a vital situation. Can't say it any simpler than that.
Originally posted by CharlieSheen:
Originally posted by linkboy:
Originally posted by CharlieSheen:
It wasn't the time to suddenly call things on technicalities.

If you're going 2mph over the speed limit, technically you're speeding and can get a ticket. Is that really what the law was made for though? Do cops even bother?

Now imagine the stakes get higher and they make speeding a felony. Now all of a sudden a cop decides to get technical and enforces 2mph "speeding".

That's basically what happened

Going by that logic, you're basically saying that the league should toss the rulebook out in the final two minutes.

Might as well just sent the refs home at that point.

How is that? The refs need to be there to enforce the rules based on why they were made, not end the season on some technicalities. Trust me I'm so happy that the eagles have to eat this, but I worry about the product of the game. Especially with the amount of people they've brainwashed into thinking that was a good call in that moment

Bradberry admitted as well that he pulled on his jersey.

With that said, it wasn't that bad and that's the type of play you should let be in the playoffs especially since the ball looked uncatchable. We have those unwritten rules in basically every sport when it comes playoff time, refs hold their whistle.
Originally posted by brodiebluebanaszak:
Please don't ever ref an important game.

I hope you don't because you'll toss the rulebook aside based on the situation.

Originally posted by brodiebluebanaszak:
It was an infraction that shouldn't have been called because it didn't meaningfully influence the play in a vital situation. Can't say it any simpler than that.

It did, you're just being ignorant of the rules.
Originally posted by GoreGoreGore:
Originally posted by CharlieSheen:
Originally posted by linkboy:
Originally posted by CharlieSheen:
It wasn't the time to suddenly call things on technicalities.

If you're going 2mph over the speed limit, technically you're speeding and can get a ticket. Is that really what the law was made for though? Do cops even bother?

Now imagine the stakes get higher and they make speeding a felony. Now all of a sudden a cop decides to get technical and enforces 2mph "speeding".

That's basically what happened

Going by that logic, you're basically saying that the league should toss the rulebook out in the final two minutes.

Might as well just sent the refs home at that point.

How is that? The refs need to be there to enforce the rules based on why they were made, not end the season on some technicalities. Trust me I'm so happy that the eagles have to eat this, but I worry about the product of the game. Especially with the amount of people they've brainwashed into thinking that was a good call in that moment

Bradberry admitted as well that he pulled on his jersey.

With that said, it wasn't that bad and that's the type of play you should let be in the playoffs especially since the ball looked uncatchable. We have those unwritten rules in basically every sport when it comes playoff time, refs hold their whistle.

exactly
Originally posted by linkboy:
Originally posted by brodiebluebanaszak:
It was an infraction that shouldn't have been called because it didn't meaningfully influence the play in a vital situation. Can't say it any simpler than that.

It did, you're just being ignorant of the rules.
How can you honestly say that the contact meaningfully influences shusters progress to the catch point about 3 seconds later?

Utterly trivial contact. The whole play, 1 yard behind the line of scrimmage was probably concocted by reid to draw the foul in my opinion. should be a precedent for that too. just like the law.
Originally posted by GoreGoreGore:
Bradberry admitted as well that he pulled on his jersey.

With that said, it wasn't that bad and that's the type of play you should let be in the playoffs especially since the ball looked uncatchable. We have those unwritten rules in basically every sport when it comes playoff time, refs hold their whistle.

The ball being uncatchable has no bearing on defensive holding.

It's not an unwritten, it's the deciding factor that separates defensive holding from pass interference.

Going by that logic, you might as well just toss the rulebook out, send the refs home and just let the playoffs be a free for all.

There's a difference between letting players play and straight up ignoring the rules.
Originally posted by linkboy:
Originally posted by GoreGoreGore:
Bradberry admitted as well that he pulled on his jersey.

With that said, it wasn't that bad and that's the type of play you should let be in the playoffs especially since the ball looked uncatchable. We have those unwritten rules in basically every sport when it comes playoff time, refs hold their whistle.

The ball being uncatchable has no bearing on defensive holding.

It's not an unwritten, it's the deciding factor that separates defensive holding from pass interference.

Going by that logic, you might as well just toss the rulebook out, send the refs home and just let the playoffs be a free for all.

There's a difference between letting players play and straight up ignoring the rules.

I get it. You can easily play both sides here.

Just saying, we see those calls often let go, especially in the playoffs.

By the rule it is holding though.
Originally posted by linkboy:
The ball being uncatchable has no bearing on defensive holding.

It's not an unwritten, it's the deciding factor that separates defensive holding from pass interference.

Going by that logic, you might as well just toss the rulebook out, send the refs home and just let the playoffs be a free for all.

There's a difference between letting players play and straight up ignoring the rules.

youre missing what everyone is talking about. You're talking about holding, everyone else is taking about discretion. Judgement.
Originally posted by brodiebluebanaszak:
Originally posted by GoreGoreGore:
Originally posted by CharlieSheen:
Originally posted by linkboy:
Originally posted by CharlieSheen:
It wasn't the time to suddenly call things on technicalities.

If you're going 2mph over the speed limit, technically you're speeding and can get a ticket. Is that really what the law was made for though? Do cops even bother?

Now imagine the stakes get higher and they make speeding a felony. Now all of a sudden a cop decides to get technical and enforces 2mph "speeding".

That's basically what happened

Going by that logic, you're basically saying that the league should toss the rulebook out in the final two minutes.

Might as well just sent the refs home at that point.

How is that? The refs need to be there to enforce the rules based on why they were made, not end the season on some technicalities. Trust me I'm so happy that the eagles have to eat this, but I worry about the product of the game. Especially with the amount of people they've brainwashed into thinking that was a good call in that moment

Bradberry admitted as well that he pulled on his jersey.

With that said, it wasn't that bad and that's the type of play you should let be in the playoffs especially since the ball looked uncatchable. We have those unwritten rules in basically every sport when it comes playoff time, refs hold their whistle.

exactly

I honestly think that shouldn't be called at any point in any game lol. Everyone watching it from the fox angle couldn't even tell there was a split second grab. It was so inconsequential to the play everyone needed another angle to catch a split second jersey grab to confirm it's all good lmao
Originally posted by brodiebluebanaszak:
How can you honestly say that the contact meaningfully influences shusters progress to the catch point about 3 seconds later?

Utterly trivial contact. The whole play, 1 yard behind the line of scrimmage was probably concocted by reid to draw the foul in my opinion. should be a precedent for that too. just like the law.

Because, as I've told you multiple times, which you're choosing to ignore for some reason, defensive holding is a penalty that occurs before the ball is thrown.

Ergo, since it can only occur before the ball is thrown, it doesn't matter where Juju's catch point is because there isn't a catch point because no pass has been thrown.

Once that ball leaves Mahomes hand, it turns into pass interference, and then Juju's catch point comes into play.
Originally posted by brodiebluebanaszak:
youre missing what everyone is talking about. You're talking about holding, everyone else is taking about discretion. Judgement.

And it was the refs discretion and judgment, per the NFL rules, that Bradberry committed holding, which it was.

I'm not missing anything, you're just refusing to acknowledge what I'm posting.
Originally posted by linkboy:
Originally posted by brodiebluebanaszak:
youre missing what everyone is talking about. You're talking about holding, everyone else is taking about discretion. Judgement.

And it was the refs discretion and judgment, per the NFL rules, that Bradberry committed holding, which it was.

I'm not missing anything, you're just refusing to acknowledge what I'm posting.

And it was terrible discretion and judgement to call the foul. Plain and simple.
Originally posted by linkboy:
And it was the refs discretion and judgment, per the NFL rules, that Bradberry committed holding, which it was.

I'm not missing anything, you're just refusing to acknowledge what I'm posting.

Back to the cop analogy, you would complain about cops not pulling people over at 2 mph over. It is clear speeding by the letter of the law. They can't just ignore the rules!!

Discretion, judgement.
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