New Principle Owner Jed York Thread

Originally posted by jcs:

Originally posted by captveg:

Originally posted by mrbusinessman499:
Fire Kyle. Bring back Jim. Championship

Harbaugh wouldn't win with the current defensive secondary either.

The current secondary wouldn't be so soft under Harbaugh either.

Talent isn't there, though. It's as bad as 1980 talent-wise right now.

I hope for those who write what seems to me as a lot of nonsense, it's right off the tough emotions after (yet another) dismal performance by our niners vs cards.
If we want to criticise the Yorks at least let's do it for the right reasons. Sorry but they aren't responsible for the roster and the way the teams play (let's talk about Shanalynch in their threads) even if ultimately everything fall on them.

The board, as in any responsible firm, is mostly responsible to validate the balance sheet, taking care of real estate (stadium and team's facility), strategic plan and hiring the CEO / GM that will operate the house on every other level. And sometimes hire the HC (many times it seems it is just a formal approval of the GM's choice but the fact they validate means they are also partly responsible)

Balance sheet : we dont have any access to it but when you see the league's revenue, the Packers' one and you try to figure out for other teams, you gotta believe that any owner is making a ton of money even if they are completely incompetent. Grade : N/A

Real estate : the Yorks finally got a stadium build for a reasonable price (which is no small feat in Cali) so they could increase (season) tickets prices although when you look at our stadium, it was already outdated from the start. They put their team's facility next to the stadium to lower the cost. Or was it the other way around. maybe the Yorks were the first owners to choose their stadium site because of their team's facility and not the other stuff like, you know, overall fan experience. Grade : C

Strategic plan : The NFL is a closed and monopolistic business so it is probably thought to increase the revenues by any means but as we have no insight on what those revenues are through the years it's tough to judge. GRADE : N/A

Hiring CEO / GM and or coach : When you hired 7 head coaches and 4 GM in 18 years, your team has a winning season in only 4 (read FOUR) of those years, the debate is relatively short. They didnt miss on Harbaugh and Shanahan (yeah remember you were all in with this choice), and on Mc Cloughan. They were certainly well advised on the best whiskey and all. And there were two SB appearances. Grade : C (it should be D but i am biased as i could fulfill a boy's dream and a bucket list item by going to the superbowl twice, once with my wife and although we lost, those remains once - should say twice - in a lifetime experience)

OVERALL : You are responsible for a losing product on the field although it is a winning product financially (but you cant lose money in the NFL so it doesn't count). Grade : F like in failure or with more salt to it : Fvck the Yorks.

Should be my last post in this section as :
- i dont see any changes in the not so near future on any level
- the Yorks can't fire themselves as bright Jed told us once.

Originally posted by captveg:
Jed is contractually restricted from interfering with Lynch and Shanahan's personnel decisions. Which is as it should be. Sure, he could talk to them and ask them if there's new approaches they should consider, but unless he gets them to agree to a revision to their contracts (LOL) or fires them he cannot interfere.

I dont think this is true. Kyle has stated the final call is always the owner's decision, at least for the draft

Originally posted by JoseCortez:
This is 100% an ownership problem. The 49ers will not be any good consistently without an ownership change. See the warriors.

Horrible example. The warriors are way over the salary cap and they have their hof qb.

Originally posted by glorydayz:

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:

Originally posted by glorydayz:

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:

Originally posted by glorydayz:

Originally posted by libertyforever:

Originally posted by libertyforever:
The York family fired 2 winning HC (Harbaugh and Mariucci), and the result is 1 winning season out of 14 seasons (2003 to 2010, 2015-2020).

Harbaugh knew they were kicking him out. York should have giving him a contract extension in his 3rd season with the team.

This is sad, because it leads to a league wide understanding that you will not be rewarded for success with the San Francisco 49ers. As a coach or player, it all comes down to if they like you and not what you do on the field.

How can you explain Compton making the team, and then starting a game after a rookie started and played well at tackle this year? How is Jimmy G still starting? Is player development and scouting THAT bad?

The Debartolo-York era will be most known for the players they passed up in the draft and the winning coaches they moved on from in order to clear the way for losing coaches. Whereas the Eddie D Era was very successful by bringing in the right coaches, drafting well, and creating a very challenging environment for everyone. Eddie D would do whatever it took to win, accountability was always present within the 49ers organization because there was a real Leader/Boss in charge.

You can't compare the Eddie D days to the current regime. Eddie had no salary cap so he spent whatever he wanted. There was no free agency to deal with either. Eddie screwed up big time with his first GM hire. Joe Thomas made a terrible trade that for O J Simpson. (one1st, 2 seconds, a 3rd and a 4th) Simpson could barely run at that point. Eddie realized after a couple years that Thomas was the wrong guy and hit pay dirt with Walsh.

BINGO

& the 5 Super Bowl trophy's that followed proves my point. Not only did Eddie D have a salary cap towards the end, Eddie is probably the soul reason why most sports have a salary cap.

There was no cap until 1994 when the Niners manipulated some contracts and pushed them down the road so they could bring in every future HOF player that was available. The Niners had some good drafts under Walsh but he had his share of misses including some 1st rounders. Walsh never has to deal with free agency since that didn't start until 1993. There were also 12 rounds in the draft so every team had more chances to find quality players since there were fewer tams.

It's just not a fair comparison between Jed York and Eddie D. It's like comparing Joe Montana and Brady. Both great players but two completely different eras. I have no problem with Jed. He's shown he's willing to eat salary if he makes a bad hire. Yes he could have made better hires but Harbaugh was fine until he got into a pissing contest with Balke. Kyle looked okay when he was hired. Lot's of teams have made mistakes with their HC and GM hires since there's no real way to know who will be good until you give them a shot. Being a good assistant doesn't mean you can wear the crown.

Which one is Jed Brady or Montana? lol

You keep making the same mistakes and you start looking at luck instead of skill.

Walsh showed that drafting talent is a skill.

You keep ignoring the fact that Walsh had up to 5 more draft picks every year and didn't have as many teams to compete against. He had a better chance of landing talent. Still he missed on some 1st rounders. No matter how skilled you are you are going to have misses. You still have to have a lot of luck. Back in Bill's era, he was often drafting for depth since they weren't losing players via free agency. If they missed on one it wasn't that big a deal. In fact, the draft wasn't that big of deal. It wasn't the huge televised event with a rooting section. Every pick wasn't analyzed by a team of "experts". Teams built thru the draft but didn't have to rebuild and replace like they do now.

He had a great draft in 1981 when he drafted 3 great DBs to add with Dwight Hicks. They were set for years and didn't need to replace a guy every year. That's one of biggest things that keeps teams from staying on top for long. As soon as a team gets good, some of the players want more money and end up leaving. Two steps forward and one back. We knew the roster from top to bottom almost every year. Unless a guy retired or was cut loose, the roster didn't change much. Now you have to learn the new guys numbers every year.

Originally posted by spizzy:

Originally posted by captveg:
Jed is contractually restricted from interfering with Lynch and Shanahan's personnel decisions. Which is as it should be. Sure, he could talk to them and ask them if there's new approaches they should consider, but unless he gets them to agree to a revision to their contracts (LOL) or fires them he cannot interfere.

I dont think this is true. Kyle has stated the final call is always the owner's decision, at least for the draft

Really? I would be shocked is this is true.

Originally posted by libertyforever:
Really? I would be shocked is this is true.

Well I cant find where I read that, so Im not so sure anymore

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:

Originally posted by glorydayz:

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:

Originally posted by glorydayz:

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:

Originally posted by glorydayz:

Originally posted by libertyforever:

Originally posted by libertyforever:
The York family fired 2 winning HC (Harbaugh and Mariucci), and the result is 1 winning season out of 14 seasons (2003 to 2010, 2015-2020).

Harbaugh knew they were kicking him out. York should have giving him a contract extension in his 3rd season with the team.

This is sad, because it leads to a league wide understanding that you will not be rewarded for success with the San Francisco 49ers. As a coach or player, it all comes down to if they like you and not what you do on the field.

How can you explain Compton making the team, and then starting a game after a rookie started and played well at tackle this year? How is Jimmy G still starting? Is player development and scouting THAT bad?

The Debartolo-York era will be most known for the players they passed up in the draft and the winning coaches they moved on from in order to clear the way for losing coaches. Whereas the Eddie D Era was very successful by bringing in the right coaches, drafting well, and creating a very challenging environment for everyone. Eddie D would do whatever it took to win, accountability was always present within the 49ers organization because there was a real Leader/Boss in charge.

You can't compare the Eddie D days to the current regime. Eddie had no salary cap so he spent whatever he wanted. There was no free agency to deal with either. Eddie screwed up big time with his first GM hire. Joe Thomas made a terrible trade that for O J Simpson. (one1st, 2 seconds, a 3rd and a 4th) Simpson could barely run at that point. Eddie realized after a couple years that Thomas was the wrong guy and hit pay dirt with Walsh.

BINGO

& the 5 Super Bowl trophy's that followed proves my point. Not only did Eddie D have a salary cap towards the end, Eddie is probably the soul reason why most sports have a salary cap.

There was no cap until 1994 when the Niners manipulated some contracts and pushed them down the road so they could bring in every future HOF player that was available. The Niners had some good drafts under Walsh but he had his share of misses including some 1st rounders. Walsh never has to deal with free agency since that didn't start until 1993. There were also 12 rounds in the draft so every team had more chances to find quality players since there were fewer tams.

It's just not a fair comparison between Jed York and Eddie D. It's like comparing Joe Montana and Brady. Both great players but two completely different eras. I have no problem with Jed. He's shown he's willing to eat salary if he makes a bad hire. Yes he could have made better hires but Harbaugh was fine until he got into a pissing contest with Balke. Kyle looked okay when he was hired. Lot's of teams have made mistakes with their HC and GM hires since there's no real way to know who will be good until you give them a shot. Being a good assistant doesn't mean you can wear the crown.

Which one is Jed Brady or Montana? lol

You keep making the same mistakes and you start looking at luck instead of skill.

Walsh showed that drafting talent is a skill.

You keep ignoring the fact that Walsh had up to 5 more draft picks every year and didn't have as many teams to compete against. He had a better chance of landing talent. Still he missed on some 1st rounders. No matter how skilled you are you are going to have misses. You still have to have a lot of luck. Back in Bill's era, he was often drafting for depth since they weren't losing players via free agency. If they missed on one it wasn't that big a deal.

He had a great draft in 1981 when he drafted 3 great DBs to add with Dwight Hicks. They were set for years and didn't need to replace a guy every year. That's one of biggest things that keeps teams from staying on top for long. As soon as a team gets good, some of the players want more money and end up leaving. Two steps forward and one back. We knew the roster from top to bottom almost every year. Unless a guy retired or was cut loose, the roster didn't change much. Now you have to learn the new guys numbers every year.

Those extra picks were like having 5 extra 7th round picks today. What Walsh had was a plan for drafting talent. He knew exactly what he was looking for in a QB, WR, O/L, ect. Walsh had no better chance of landing talent than anyone else in any draft. You forget that Walsh found his FQB in round 3 of the draft. Our current front office has no plan for anything let alone the draft.

Could you imagine Walsh being in dire need of a QB, but passing on a QB like Mahomes & Watson in order to draft Solomon Thomas? Or could you imagine Walsh drafting any CB, just for the sake of taking one like we did this past draft? Walsh drafted guys that fit his system and he was wrong sometimes, but even when he was wrong he was focused on winning those 3 SB rings and he delivered. Walsh never let bad draft picks hold him back, he always found a way to win.

Here's what a conversation between Kyle Shanahan & John Lynch:

Let's guess on a DT from Stanford, Let's bring in Brian Hoyer, let's trade a 2nd round pick for a back up QB and then give him a multi year $100+ million contract after 6 games. That didn't work, so now let's trade away 3 first round draft picks and draft a new QB but let's play the other guy. We need O-linemen, let's take this guy that doesn't really fit our system in the second round. Now let's sit all of our draft picks except a RB and S and see what happens. By the way, let's trade our best D-lineman and grab a D-lineman in the first round. Why not rent a WR and go to the super bowl, it will only cost us a 3rd round pick. THIS not luck is the difference between Walsh/Eddie D and this new 49ers Leadership thing that we have making the decisions.

Originally posted by glorydayz:

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:

Originally posted by glorydayz:

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:

Originally posted by glorydayz:

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:

Originally posted by glorydayz:

Originally posted by libertyforever:

Originally posted by libertyforever:
The York family fired 2 winning HC (Harbaugh and Mariucci), and the result is 1 winning season out of 14 seasons (2003 to 2010, 2015-2020).

Harbaugh knew they were kicking him out. York should have giving him a contract extension in his 3rd season with the team.

This is sad, because it leads to a league wide understanding that you will not be rewarded for success with the San Francisco 49ers. As a coach or player, it all comes down to if they like you and not what you do on the field.

How can you explain Compton making the team, and then starting a game after a rookie started and played well at tackle this year? How is Jimmy G still starting? Is player development and scouting THAT bad?

The Debartolo-York era will be most known for the players they passed up in the draft and the winning coaches they moved on from in order to clear the way for losing coaches. Whereas the Eddie D Era was very successful by bringing in the right coaches, drafting well, and creating a very challenging environment for everyone. Eddie D would do whatever it took to win, accountability was always present within the 49ers organization because there was a real Leader/Boss in charge.

You can't compare the Eddie D days to the current regime. Eddie had no salary cap so he spent whatever he wanted. There was no free agency to deal with either. Eddie screwed up big time with his first GM hire. Joe Thomas made a terrible trade that for O J Simpson. (one1st, 2 seconds, a 3rd and a 4th) Simpson could barely run at that point. Eddie realized after a couple years that Thomas was the wrong guy and hit pay dirt with Walsh.

BINGO

& the 5 Super Bowl trophy's that followed proves my point. Not only did Eddie D have a salary cap towards the end, Eddie is probably the soul reason why most sports have a salary cap.

There was no cap until 1994 when the Niners manipulated some contracts and pushed them down the road so they could bring in every future HOF player that was available. The Niners had some good drafts under Walsh but he had his share of misses including some 1st rounders. Walsh never has to deal with free agency since that didn't start until 1993. There were also 12 rounds in the draft so every team had more chances to find quality players since there were fewer tams.

It's just not a fair comparison between Jed York and Eddie D. It's like comparing Joe Montana and Brady. Both great players but two completely different eras. I have no problem with Jed. He's shown he's willing to eat salary if he makes a bad hire. Yes he could have made better hires but Harbaugh was fine until he got into a pissing contest with Balke. Kyle looked okay when he was hired. Lot's of teams have made mistakes with their HC and GM hires since there's no real way to know who will be good until you give them a shot. Being a good assistant doesn't mean you can wear the crown.

Which one is Jed Brady or Montana? lol

You keep making the same mistakes and you start looking at luck instead of skill.

Walsh showed that drafting talent is a skill.

You keep ignoring the fact that Walsh had up to 5 more draft picks every year and didn't have as many teams to compete against. He had a better chance of landing talent. Still he missed on some 1st rounders. No matter how skilled you are you are going to have misses. You still have to have a lot of luck. Back in Bill's era, he was often drafting for depth since they weren't losing players via free agency. If they missed on one it wasn't that big a deal.

He had a great draft in 1981 when he drafted 3 great DBs to add with Dwight Hicks. They were set for years and didn't need to replace a guy every year. That's one of biggest things that keeps teams from staying on top for long. As soon as a team gets good, some of the players want more money and end up leaving. Two steps forward and one back. We knew the roster from top to bottom almost every year. Unless a guy retired or was cut loose, the roster didn't change much. Now you have to learn the new guys numbers every year.

Those extra picks were like having 5 extra 7th round picks today. What Walsh had was a plan for drafting talent. He knew exactly what he was looking for in a QB, WR, O/L, ect. Walsh had no better chance of landing talent than anyone else in any draft. You forget that Walsh found his FQB in round 3 of the draft. Our current front office has no plan for anything let alone the draft.

Could you imagine Walsh being in dire need of a QB, but passing on a QB like Mahomes & Watson in order to draft Solomon Thomas? Or could you imagine Walsh drafting any CB, just for the sake of taking one like we did this past draft? Walsh drafted guys that fit his system and he was wrong sometimes, but even when he was wrong he was focused on winning those 3 SB rings and he delivered. Walsh never let bad draft picks hold him back, he always found a way to win.

Here's what a conversation between Kyle Shanahan & John Lynch:

Let's guess on a DT from Stanford, Let's bring in Brian Hoyer, let's trade a 2nd round pick for a back up QB and then give him a multi year $100+ million contract after 6 games. That didn't work, so now let's trade away 3 first round draft picks and draft a new QB but let's play the other guy. We need O-linemen, let's take this guy that doesn't really fit our system in the second round. Now let's sit all of our draft picks except a RB and S and see what happens. By the way, let's trade our best D-lineman and grab a D-lineman in the first round. Why not rent a WR and go to the super bowl, it will only cost us a 3rd round pick. THIS not luck is the difference between Walsh/Eddie D and this new 49ers Leadership thing that we have making the decisions.

Those extra 5 picks weren't like 7th rounders today. With fewer teams the draft was much deeper. Good players were still available in those later rounds. Plus like I said. teams were often drafting for depth not starters. he drafted Dwight clark in the 10th round.Bobby Leupold in the 8th. Dana McLemore in thr 10th. Jesse Sapolu in the 11th Chet Brooks in the 11t. All those players became starter and in some case pro bowlers.

His biggest whiff was Todd shell in round one. He was more of a bust than Thomas. Jeff Bregal a guard picked in the 2nd round was a roid rager and got released. Rickey Moore was a RB picked right after Rice and Moore never did anything. Rice more than made up for that. Then when he wanted a QB he took RB James Owens with their first pick. He got lucky that Montana was still there in round 3.

I'm just pointing out that Walsh as great as he was had his failures and his share of luck. It wasn't all just skill.

Originally posted by libertyforever:

Originally posted by spizzy:

Originally posted by captveg:
Jed is contractually restricted from interfering with Lynch and Shanahan's personnel decisions. Which is as it should be. Sure, he could talk to them and ask them if there's new approaches they should consider, but unless he gets them to agree to a revision to their contracts (LOL) or fires them he cannot interfere.

I dont think this is true. Kyle has stated the final call is always the owner's decision, at least for the draft

Really? I would be shocked is this is true.

That's Kyle being polite. Kawakami even made the same point I did today:

he lucked out with harbaugh and f**ked that up, this dude is burning the franchise into the f**king ground

Originally posted by mrbusinessman499:
Fire Kyle. Bring back Jim. Championship

Harbaugh couldnt win a championship if he was 5 yards away from it. Give it a rest history revisionist

Originally posted by Aj_hwd954:

Originally posted by mrbusinessman499:
Fire Kyle. Bring back Jim. Championship

Harbaugh couldnt win a championship if he was 5 yards away from it. Give it a rest history revisionist

we were ready to play games. we won games. we had an identity when roman was not being stupid. we were very very well coached and we tackled very well. kyle could not win two winnable super bowls. those losses were on kyle., 100 per cent

Originally posted by cciowa:

Originally posted by Aj_hwd954:

Originally posted by mrbusinessman499:
Fire Kyle. Bring back Jim. Championship

Harbaugh couldnt win a championship if he was 5 yards away from it. Give it a rest history revisionist

we were ready to play games. we won games. we had an identity when roman was not being stupid. we were very very well coached and we tackled very well. kyle could not win two winnable super bowls. those losses were on kyle., 100 per cent

41-13 enough said, who fires a 41-13 coach, only jed cause he got his feelings hurt

Jed has grown on me. A lot of folks coming down on the guy. Look at the Lions latest retool and look what Jed did a number of years ago. He has done everything correctly.

And I doubt he is sitting there taking it. I can't remember the incident for the life of me but remember a couple of years back he blew up. Not sure if it was a loss or what happened but he blew a gasket and stormed out and ended up driving the wrong way out of the stadium? He was livid.

Don't think his office has been a bed of roses for John and Kyle. Bet they are getting their asses ripped open. Give Jed some credit. He is not some timid little wall flower. He's co-owner.

Kyle's little it's me speech may be a direct result of nice beat down today by Jed.