New Principle Owner Jed York Thread

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by 190836:
Hurt feelings? Not at all!! Harbaugh was never my boy and I was highly critical of his offensive direction and his complete disregard for some of the off field distractions . However you have to admit, it was him who took us to three NFC championship and a SB. Do you really think Tomsula, Chryst and Mangini are going to take us to the playoffs next year? That's what JH did in his first year.

Fair enough. Let me ask you one honest question since we're giving Harbaugh the full 70% winning pitch here: "What would his record be without Trent Baalke and Fangio and staff?"

That's not meant to discredit Harbaugh's influence but to provide real-context for football being the ultimate team-game.

Probably around 50%. I really don't know, I think Baalke and Fangio were the main reasons behind JH's success. But lets remember one thing, Jim Harbaugh brought with him a winning attitude and a culture which Nolan or Sing could not create.

Originally posted by Wu-5Rings:
Would Jim have been fired his first year, if he had last years record? Probably not... But since he was so successful his first 3 years and had a bad year there's the excuse to fire the guy. I think Jim was the one who lifted this team. The only track record he has? You forgot turning teams around whether college or NFL.

P.s Stanford and San Diego, he sure turn them around, oh the NINERS he turned around.. So it's not the only track record he has.

I think nearly any competent NFl coach could have won more games here than Sing did. 13 of them? Propbably not. I don't credit Harbaugh with the 7 win increase, though. I think any good coach would have gotten AT LEAST 10 wins out of the team that Sing flushed down the crapper. Harbaugh got 13, that's great. But his offense got figured out, and his rah-rah got stale. Bowman doesn't strike me as a malcontent, and there is clear video of him rolling his eyes as Harbaugh goes off on another one of his speaches. I think he changed the culture here. I also think he failed to maintain it. I appreciate wht he did, but J have no question inmy mind that it was his time to go. I was willing to pull for him to succeed at UM, too, untill he turned into a vindictive c@nt on twitter.

Originally posted by Wu-5Rings:
We don't give him anything, you let him finish his contract out which he has earned..

He was never going to coach year 5 without a new contract no matter what bs he wants to send through his mouthpiece Kawakami. He was leaving for Michigan unless the 9ers offered him total team control. If you buy his story that the team left him you are completely gullible.

Originally posted by 190836:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by 190836:
Hurt feelings? Not at all!! Harbaugh was never my boy and I was highly critical of his offensive direction and his complete disregard for some of the off field distractions . However you have to admit, it was him who took us to three NFC championship and a SB. Do you really think Tomsula, Chryst and Mangini are going to take us to the playoffs next year? That's what JH did in his first year.

Fair enough. Let me ask you one honest question since we're giving Harbaugh the full 70% winning pitch here: "What would his record be without Trent Baalke and Fangio and staff?"

That's not meant to discredit Harbaugh's influence but to provide real-context for football being the ultimate team-game.

Probably around 50%. I really don't know, I think Baalke and Fangio were the main reasons behind JH's success. But lets remember one thing, Jim Harbaugh brought with him a winning attitude and a culture which Nolan or Sing could not create.

I think Nolan and McCloughan turned an incredibly talentless team, into a mid-level or better team, which is tough to do. Nolan strikes me as a front-runner, though. I don't think he had the temperment to handle blame landing on him, and he lost the team when he dumped it on Alex, who the players respected more than him. Being a better coach than Sing is an honor that 32 NFL coaches can lay claim to.

Not taking away from Harbaugh, as I fullly accept that he established a swagger and winning culture here. I think any player who realizes you don't have the answers to fix persistent problems loses that confidence, eventually.

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by Wu-5Rings:
We don't give him anything, you let him finish his contract out which he has earned..

He was never going to coach year 5 without a new contract no matter what bs he wants to send through his mouthpiece Kawakami. He was leaving for Michigan unless the 9ers offered him total team control. If you buy his story that the team left him you are completely gullible.

Yup, the NFL hates lame duck coaching scenarios.

Originally posted by ptw1:

Originally posted by 190836:

Originally posted by ptw1:

Originally posted by Quest4six:

Originally posted by 190836:
What makes you think that coach Joan in finance is the answer? If you are an honest fan, you'll admit that we have a serious problem with this coaching staff. You can have the Niners of the late eighties and go nowhere.

Everywhere Tomsula goes he has success. Every positional job he has been in, he has thrived.
We are giving a guy who I believe knows what it takes to get the BEST out of his players a shot at running this team.

The season hasn't even started yet and you think he is going to be worse than last season?

Not only is it foolish to judge a staff before it's even had a chance to perform but I think this staff, on paper, looks better than JH's staff did, on paper, 4 years ago. What's sad is if JT was coaching another team and had the success that he has had with the niners, a lot of the people that didn't like the hire would be applauding the hire.

Time will tell! Nothing is wrong with loving your team, but to be blind about the team's direction is a bit naive in my opinion. Don't you think? I am only questioning the direction of the Niners. Hopefully you are right and I am wrong, and I will admit if I was proven otherwise.

Why would I or anyone be down about their direction? The wrong way to go would to have let things stay the same. Do you think JH would ever have been open to changing? It's not in his makeup to change because, in his mind, that is admitting defeat. None of the free agents that have left I would have wanted them to match the money they got. Heck, TS is a upgrade over Crabtree. I fully expect whoever they put at left guard will be an upgrade of MI. Gore is an all-time niner but Hyde/Bush/Hunter/draft pick will be fine. Cully played well last year but with the players already on the roster and the draft, the CB position will be as good, if not better. Cowboy might retire but they are getting Williams and Dorsey back. So I don't see where on the field, assuming Bow is healthy, they've gotten weaker at any position. It's the media that paints this picture that the ship is sinking.

Nobody is being down on their team. At least I am not. AGAIN, I am only questioning the FO's direction. Remember who the owners are! As for all the FA and the player movements, I am with you on that.

Originally posted by WRATHman44:

Originally posted by Wu-5Rings:

Would Jim have been fired his first year, if he had last years record? Probably not... But since he was so successful his first 3 years and had a bad year there's the excuse to fire the guy. I think Jim was the one who lifted this team. The only track record he has? You forgot turning teams around whether college or NFL.

P.s Stanford and San Diego, he sure turn them around, oh the NINERS he turned around.. So it's not the only track record he has.

I think nearly any competent NFl coach could have won more games here than Sing did. 13 of them? Propbably not. I don't credit Harbaugh with the 7 win increase, though. I think any good coach would have gotten AT LEAST 10 wins out of the team that Sing flushed down the crapper. Harbaugh got 13, that's great. But his offense got figured out, and his rah-rah got stale. Bowman doesn't strike me as a malcontent, and there is clear video of him rolling his eyes as Harbaugh goes off on another one of his speaches. I think he changed the culture here. I also think he failed to maintain it. I appreciate wht he did, but J have no question inmy mind that it was his time to go. I was willing to pull for him to succeed at UM, too, untill he turned into a vindictive c@nt on twitter.

what I'm saying Wrath is you can't give any other coach credit bc they didn't, the one who actually did was Harbs. So I give him credit. Not saying right or wrong but I would be pissed too the way things played out..

Originally posted by Wu-5Rings:
Obviously it does bc he did with the NINERS... So it is called a track record in his life of turning teams around whether college or NFL..

He didn't turn the 9ers around because he did it college. It's apples and oranges. Plenty of college coaches have turned around college programs and failed to do so in the NFL.

He never turned around the 49ers offense consistently however which is why he's no longer here. There is zero reason to think he ever would have.

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by Wu-5Rings:

We don't give him anything, you let him finish his contract out which he has earned..

He was never going to coach year 5 without a new contract no matter what bs he wants to send through his mouthpiece Kawakami. He was leaving for Michigan unless the 9ers offered him total team control. If you buy his story that the team left him you are completely gullible.

I don't buy anything, your assuming I'm gullible bc I'm buying what i read. That's false but yet you say with such assurance what Harbaugh was going to do???? So who's the gullible one? I've watched every game he has coached and feel that he at least deserved that last year of his contract.

Originally posted by WRATHman44:

Originally posted by 190836:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by 190836:
Hurt feelings? Not at all!! Harbaugh was never my boy and I was highly critical of his offensive direction and his complete disregard for some of the off field distractions . However you have to admit, it was him who took us to three NFC championship and a SB. Do you really think Tomsula, Chryst and Mangini are going to take us to the playoffs next year? That's what JH did in his first year.

Fair enough. Let me ask you one honest question since we're giving Harbaugh the full 70% winning pitch here: "What would his record be without Trent Baalke and Fangio and staff?"

That's not meant to discredit Harbaugh's influence but to provide real-context for football being the ultimate team-game.

Probably around 50%. I really don't know, I think Baalke and Fangio were the main reasons behind JH's success. But lets remember one thing, Jim Harbaugh brought with him a winning attitude and a culture which Nolan or Sing could not create.

I think Nolan and McCloughan turned an incredibly talentless team, into a mid-level or better team, which is tough to do. Nolan strikes me as a front-runner, though. I don't think he had the temperment to handle blame landing on him, and he lost the team when he dumped it on Alex, who the players respected more than him. Being a better coach than Sing is an honor that 32 NFL coaches can lay claim to.

Not taking away from Harbaugh, as I fullly accept that he established a swagger and winning culture here. I think any player who realizes you don't have the answers to fix persistent problems loses that confidence, eventually.

I totally agree with you on the mess that McCloughan inherited. As for Nolan, his silly way of doing things really bothered me. i.e.: The dress code, the way he threw Alex under the bus and not been able to get a right OC. The list goes on with that guy.....

Originally posted by Wu-5Rings:
I don't buy anything, your assuming I'm gullible bc I'm buying what i read. That's false but yet you say with such assurance what Harbaugh was going to do???? So who's the gullible one? I've watched every game he has coached and feel that he at least deserved that last year of his contract.

Because he was talking to Michigan before he was fired. The Michigan offer leak didn't come from the Michigan camp I can assure you of that.

Coaches only coach lame duck years when they have no other option. Harbaugh had options. He wasn't going to pick 1 year of instability over 5 of stability, especially with a front office where he didn't have all the power.

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by Wu-5Rings:

I don't buy anything, your assuming I'm gullible bc I'm buying what i read. That's false but yet you say with such assurance what Harbaugh was going to do???? So who's the gullible one? I've watched every game he has coached and feel that he at least deserved that last year of his contract.

Because he was talking to Michigan before he was fired. The Michigan offer leak didn't come from the Michigan camp I can assure you of that.

Coaches only coach lame duck years when they have no other option. Harbaugh had options. He wasn't going to pick 1 year of instability over 5 of stability, especially with a front office where he didn't have all the power.

Funny, bc my opinion on that is that the leaks came from within the NINERS... Why do I feel that way? Bc you look at the whole picture and see it got worse through out the year and the only one was getting attacked was Harbs about him losing the locker room. Never heard one player say anything about Jim. I never heard any attacks during the season about Jed last year??? So just making a logical guess or assumption the only one I saw getting hurt by the leaks were The team and Jim.

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by Wu-5Rings:

Originally posted by WRATHman44:

Originally posted by Wu-5Rings:
When people judge, they should look at the overall picture... Yes the offense sucked... But what people don't talk about is Alex Boone SH!tting the bed, Mike iupat sticking up the place, vernon with his back, crabtree with his leg. Hardly talk about those facts tho? I don't care who coached this team last year with all this mess just on the offense side of the ball against a seattle team or Arizona.. If your going to put blame, don't highlight bc the 70% winning ratio is what actually counts, bottom line... Bunch of ungrateful ppl here. Taking one season and highlighting it. Stop it.

Did Harbaugh do that all by himself? The ineptitude of the coach before him definitely made the team look worse than it was, and he inherited a very talented rosterThe team won with defense, which he had little to no part in. The offense succeeded for two years, then struggled for two, as defenses around the league adjusted and no successful adjustments were made on offense. The simple fact that our offensewas so much better in the first half of every game points directly to a staff being out-coached. If it was all about the injuries, we'd have been inept in the first half of every game, too. The other team made adjustments that we had no answer for, and it happened WAY too often.

But the coach before him couldn't win with that team, so who cares? I care about the coach that actually turned that team around. I never said it was all about those injuries but they do play a factor. Jim wasn't perfect but the track record speak for itself. I don't think the the 3 years of winning was a fluke, I think the down year was a fluke which at least deserved 1 more year to finish out the contract and fix some flaws.

The only track record Harbaugh has is that 1) he's an a-hole to work with and 2) his timing is impeccable (upon when he joins teams and leaves)

PS: I'd love for one of his fans to truly write-up the qualities of Jim Harbaugh (he does have some good ones) that lead to winning in the beginning of his tenures. B/c we all know the qualities that lead to his end/departures and his inability to sustain success at the NFL level (hence, why he's back in college).

I'm not a Harbaugh fan by any means but I did mention months ago in the midst of our down-the-drain season that Harbaugh's positive qualities as a coach were
A) The ability to bring groups of men together and motivate them to perform at a higher level (or maintain a high level of motivation)
B) A keen sense of knowing how to shoulder a lot of burden, allowing players to do their jobs
C) Does a good to very good job of preparing and instructing members of his staff as well as players as to what their role & function is

With that said, of the above mentioned qualities, his ego personality is more dominant and therefore corrodes at those good qualities in a short period of time. It also prevents him from working more diligently at his own coaching flaws which are in no particular order:

1) Inconsistent Policies in terms of team management (I'm sure we all agree Kap was the right choice but Harbaugh's "Hot Hand" policy didn't always apply across the board)
2) Stubborn Playcalling and General Football philosophy (This one pissed me off the most about him because his brother is such a clear example of a guy who is willing to throw away philosophies and schemes that don't work for the future of the entire organization...his outlook on offensive football is absolutely stone-aged in my opinion as well. This rubs off on most of if not all the QBs who become very robotic under his tutelage. It works for low-risk 1977 football but not today when you MUST open things up or be dominated by faster more flexible defenses.)
3) Inability to Adjust during games (This is already well documented..When Harbaugh is cornered, he doesn't know WTF to do, so he just keeps "ploughing" ahead)

Like I said, because of the reasons mentioned in 1, 2 and 3, they eventually overwhelm A,B or C in the course of 3 years no matter where he goes. In 2019 Michigan will be saying the same thing unless he works on his ego.

What's funny to me is how much people buy into Jim Harbaugh being such a smart Xs and Os strategist and peg Jim Tomsula as being a "rah rah" type that will fizzle out, when in fact it's more like the opposite!

I see so much John Madden in Jim Tomsula that I am very pleased with Jed's choice. Madden was a guy nobody thought knew much about the game and was full of cliches but he really knew his sh*t...he just happened to really love the game and was a likeable "jolly" coach to his players. He also had a darn good staff around him that worked well together. I see that a lot in JT. I'd love for us to win more than one ring though

Originally posted by Wu-5Rings:
Funny, bc my opinion on that is that the leaks came from within the NINERS... Why do I feel that way? Bc you look at the whole picture and see it got worse through out the year and the only one was getting attacked was Harbs about him losing the locker room. Never heard one player say anything about Jim. I never heard any attacks during the season about Jed last year??? So just making a logical guess or assumption the only one I saw getting hurt by the leaks were The team and Jim.

I don't think the logical assumption is that Deion Sanders is getting his source from a non player.

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by Wu-5Rings:

Funny, bc my opinion on that is that the leaks came from within the NINERS... Why do I feel that way? Bc you look at the whole picture and see it got worse through out the year and the only one was getting attacked was Harbs about him losing the locker room. Never heard one player say anything about Jim. I never heard any attacks during the season about Jed last year??? So just making a logical guess or assumption the only one I saw getting hurt by the leaks were The team and Jim.

I don't think the logical assumption is that Deion Sanders is getting his source from a non player.

You don't need to find out who said it? Where did come from? All you need to know is who did it hurt. That's the real question my NINER faithful. As the saga keeps unfolding.. You get a pretty good idea where it's coming from. Follow the bread crumbs.