Originally posted by Dshearn:
I assume when you say Purdy is nowhere near, you are referring to absolute PEAK 2018 Brees and his 4% gross accuracy advantage... Brees toped out with his Career high 74% vs Purdy's 70%.
looking at those 2018 numbers
Brock is CLEARLY more accurate then Drew Brees over 20+ yards. 65.3 vs 69.1
Or we could look at 30+ yards 67.7 vs 70.1
That 74% completion percentage really tells the story of how Brees targeted his backs in Kamara and Ingram 130 times. There was ALOT of dump-offs that year.
In General, Brees was less accurate then current brock, and maybe slightly more accurate in his absolute Peak.
I don' t think the word "nowhere" belongs anywhere in this conversation.
Numbers are going to only take you so far. You're completely canceling out things like rule changes, supporting casts, and the design of their respective offenses.
You can go with it,...I wont stand in your way. Only state my opinion that it's a crazy leap to make,....especially this early.
When I see him pass with high efficiency,...I'm mainly seeing him throw to spots where guys come open. This points to great design (of the offense), great players, and great preparation as major things that are helping him do what he does.
But I'm not going to get crazy with it and try to suggest he's this uber-accurate passer. I'm not seeing it,...regardless what the percentages say. I'm watching him play week in, week out, and I've seen a number of more-accurate passers.
Fun Factoids: Did you know that there have been a number of recent "threats" to surpass Drew Brees on the All-Time list regarding accuracy?
Brees is once again the NFL's all-time leader in completion percentage after some young aspirants to his title took a nosedive — his career mark of 67.7% is the highest measured at Pro Football Reference out of 208 qualifying quarterbacks, meaning those who have attempted at least 14 passes per game as well as at least 1,500 career pass attempts.
Brees was briefly unseated by Cleveland Browns quarterback Deshaun Watson, who returned from his league-mandated suspension for alleged sexual misconduct with a lot of rust to knock off. Watson notched completion percentages of 54.5%, 61.9%, and 64.3% in three games with the Browns so far, but he has a chance at leveling out against the Saints themselves on Sunday afternoon. He's completed 60.0% of his passes for the Browns through three games so far, and those poor performances dropped Watson's career number from 67.8% down to 67.5%.
What about other contenders? San Francisco 49ers quarterback Jimmy Garoppolo (67.6%) is on the mend, as is Arizona Cardinals passer Kyler Murray (66.8%). NFC playoff hopefuls Dak Prescott and Kirk Cousins (both 66.7%) are on Brees' heels, as are Los Angeles Chargers standout Justin Herbert (66.6%) and his former protégé Teddy Bridgewater (66.4%). Kansas City Chiefs MVP favorite Patrick Mahomes (66.3%) rounds out the group of active passers with a claim to Brees' title.
So it's all but certain that Brees will be surpassed again someday — likely for good. That's just how it goes. But he's a surefire lock for the Pro Football Hall of Fame in a few years regardless of who owns this record.
Deshaun Watson Unseated Drew Brees as All-Time Completion Percentage Leader (USA Today)
I'm just being,...consistent. when
Deshaun had unseated him in career completion percentage -- and he's
NEVER had the playmakers with the Texans we currently have -- I wasn't ready to just blindly call him the most accurate passer ever due to a number.
What about Jimmy G? 2nd or 3 most accurate passer I've ever seen?
Simply because of a number? Oh please. I hope you see where I'm going with this.
I love numbers but I can't help but point out how much they're used the wrong way constantly on here.
I mean just put on a good game or so of Brees in his prime and this silly idea stops there.
In 2009, the TV show "Sports Science," wanted to gauge Drew Brees' renowned accuracy for one of its episodes. So the show's producers had him throw footballs at an archery target 20 yards away and compare his strike rate to Olympic archers.
With the cameras rolling, Brees put on a show. He didn't just hit the target. He peppered it. Over and over. Pass after pass.
Brees hit the 4.8-inch bullseye 10 out of 10 times, an astonishing display of bio-mechanic wizardry that amazed the producers.
Brees' consistent fundamentals were the secret to his accuracy. The show's scientists determined that he threw each of his passes with the same 6-degree launch angle, 600-revolutions-per-minute spin rate and 52 miles-per-hour launch speed.
"What Drew did, he made it look easy, but it's not — the window is that big and he hits it," said Tom House, Brees' long-time performance coach and throwing specialist. "Drew would have a spectacular play or two, but he was not a spectacular quarterback. He was just the best f**ker who has ever thrown a football."
"You could put every quarterback in the league on the same field and tell them to throw all of the same routes, and you're just going to notice something different about the way Drew places the football, when and where," said former NFL quarterback Luke McCown, who served as Brees' backup for three seasons from 2013 to 2015. "It's just different. The hand of God reached down and touched Drew and said, 'You're going to be the most accurate guy to ever throw a football.'"
Saints coaches attributed Brees' historic accuracy to his unusually large hands and flawless mechanics. His hand width of 10.25 inches ranked among the top 11 percent of quarterbacks at the NFL Scouting Combine, while his 6-foot height ranked among the bottom 8 percent. Because of his large grip, Brees could control the ball and deliver it with maximum rotation. It's one of the reasons he excelled in the windy, cold conditions of West Lafayette, Ind., as a college star at Purdue University.
Drew Brees Had Unprecedented Accuracy and Unmatched Productivity
I mean if we HAVE to be in a rush to anoint our guy with "SOMETHING" over an all-time great, I'd be willing to put Purdy's mobility and mind for the game ahead of Brees MUCH, MUCH quicker than I would his ability to throw the ball to a target with accuracy. I've thoroughly watched both guys throw repeatedly, but I've seen 1 of the 2 with alot less tools in his arsenal be ALOT more precise with the ball for multiple seasons. JMO.
[ Edited by random49er on Nov 26, 2023 at 3:47 AM ]
