49ers Offensive Line

Originally posted by Kolohe:
Yup, Brock was ass yesterday.

Everyone wasn't good but Brock was particularly off. Can't play like that and beat Baltimore.

Originally posted by Hoovtrain:
So what you are saying is that other trams like PHI also do a poor job with investing in OL depth behind Johnson,

try again, I'm saying McK and Jake and Feliciano are pretty suspect, particularly the right side, RG and RT
fair to ask if we should have made OL more a priority in recent drafts
the prob in here is NC is right in terms of OL being a weak link
I can admit that I was debating him and thinking OL wasn't the top concern, I think this was coming into the year
the prob is some folks can't admit that the OL is an issue, our QB was legit benched for fear of him being ripped apart last night

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by Hoovtrain:
So what you are saying is that other trams like PHI also do a poor job with investing in OL depth behind Johnson,

try again, I'm saying McK and Jake and Feliciano are pretty suspect, particularly the right side, RG and RT
fair to ask if we should have made OL more a priority in recent drafts
the prob in here is NC is right in terms of OL being a weak link
I can admit that I was debating him and thinking OL wasn't the top concern, I think this was coming into the year
the prob is some folks can't admit that the OL is an issue, our QB was legit benched for fear of him being ripped apart last night

Nah, that's what you said lol
what an astute observation they didn't want to stick him back in after an injury while down their LT, LG, backup LT, shifted RT to LT and backup RG to RT,

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
try again, I'm saying McK and Jake and Feliciano are pretty suspect, particularly the right side, RG and RT
fair to ask if we should have made OL more a priority in recent drafts
the prob in here is NC is right in terms of OL being a weak link
I can admit that I was debating him and thinking OL wasn't the top concern, I think this was coming into the year
the prob is some folks can't admit that the OL is an issue, our QB was legit benched for fear of him being ripped apart last night

Of course they are an issue. It's an issue that can and has been mitigated all year. Secondary is also an issue too. Safeties can't cover. That was also exposed.

Originally posted by Hoovtrain:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by Hoovtrain:
So what you are saying is that other trams like PHI also do a poor job with investing in OL depth behind Johnson,

try again, I'm saying McK and Jake and Feliciano are pretty suspect, particularly the right side, RG and RT
fair to ask if we should have made OL more a priority in recent drafts
the prob in here is NC is right in terms of OL being a weak link
I can admit that I was debating him and thinking OL wasn't the top concern, I think this was coming into the year
the prob is some folks can't admit that the OL is an issue, our QB was legit benched for fear of him being ripped apart last night

Nah, that's what you said lol
what an astute observation they didn't want to stick him back in after an injury while down their LT, LG, backup LT, shifted RT to LT and backup RG to RT,

part of the issue, you get twisted up in convos that have been going on here for years,
so instead of saying up is up, and our OL is now a major concern, you have to deflect with now what about Lane Johnson type statements...

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
part of the issue, you get twisted up in convos that have been going on here for years,
so instead of saying up is up, and our OL is now a major concern, you have to deflect with now what about Lane Johnson type statements...

Because you are talking about when the best LT football goes down the team struggles. Guess what? Every OL struggles when they lose their best player, let alone their 2 best.

This is the same BS criticism that Nc used to make to prop up the Rams. Lo and behold last year guys got hurt and their OL tanked. Why? Because no one has depth.

No one having depth is the up is up statement. Can draft 5 OL like some want and will still have limited depth. That's the league.

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by Hoovtrain:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by Hoovtrain:
So what you are saying is that other trams like PHI also do a poor job with investing in OL depth behind Johnson,

try again, I'm saying McK and Jake and Feliciano are pretty suspect, particularly the right side, RG and RT
fair to ask if we should have made OL more a priority in recent drafts
the prob in here is NC is right in terms of OL being a weak link
I can admit that I was debating him and thinking OL wasn't the top concern, I think this was coming into the year
the prob is some folks can't admit that the OL is an issue, our QB was legit benched for fear of him being ripped apart last night

Nah, that's what you said lol
what an astute observation they didn't want to stick him back in after an injury while down their LT, LG, backup LT, shifted RT to LT and backup RG to RT,

part of the issue, you get twisted up in convos that have been going on here for years,
so instead of saying up is up, and our OL is now a major concern, you have to deflect with now what about Lane Johnson type statements...

Part of the issue is you continually talking out of your rear then just acting as though you didn't say things. Birds of a feather

Good news is: They will probably draft an OT next year

Bad news is: Trent Williams is 36, and he is for sure done. He will be announcing his retirement after this season.

The 49ers will only address OL when they are desperate and it becomes a necessity. Just like when Staley left.

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
part of the issue, you get twisted up in convos that have been going on here for years,
so instead of saying up is up, and our OL is now a major concern, you have to deflect with now what about Lane Johnson type statements...

Because you are talking about when the best LT football goes down the team struggles. Guess what? Every OL struggles when they lose their best player, let alone their 2 best.

This is the same BS criticism that Nc used to make to prop up the Rams. Lo and behold last year guys got hurt and their OL tanked. Why? Because no one has depth.

No one having depth is the up is up statement. Can draft 5 OL like some want and will still have limited depth. That's the league.

False, the struggles are gonna be to the extent you can rely on the other guys. Armstead in MIA he's missed like half the season. They've been fine. You guys fall back on failed crutches like no team has depth, what kind of nonsense is that? If we drafted a round 2 or round 3 OL, in recent times, is that not better depth that what Trey Sermon is giving us right now? One can think of many examples of what we prioritize. Hard to say it's OL, certainly not via the draft in recent times. And yes the TL loss of draft capital, hits hard.. ppl may not want to talk about that, but it's a factor..

Originally posted by Ensatsu:
Good news is: They will probably draft an OT next year

Bad news is: Trent Williams is 36, and he is for sure done. He will be announcing his retirement after this season.

The 49ers will only address OL when they are desperate and it becomes a necessity. Just like when Staley left.

Why is he for sure done? He has a ton of money left on his contract.

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
False, the struggles are gonna be to the extent you can rely on the other guys. Armstead in MIA he's missed like half the season. They've been fine. You guys fall back on failed crutches like no team has depth, what kind of nonsense is that? If we drafted a round 2 or round 3 OL, in recent times, is that not better depth that what Trey Sermon is giving us right now? One can think of many examples of what we prioritize. Hard to say it's OL, certainly not via the draft in recent times. And yes the TL loss of draft capital, hits hard.. ppl may not want to talk about that, but it's a factor..

Depends on the player. Philly drafted a guard in the 3rd and he can't beat out an undrafted guy. Morris couldn't beat out an undrafted guy for weeks with KC. Like with Sermon a high draft pick doesn't guarantee you anything.

You ignore that the turnovers were the biggest factors in 3 of the 4 losses. Very few of Brock's picks this year have been solely on the OL. He's made bad reads. It happens. Learn from it and get better.

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
part of the issue, you get twisted up in convos that have been going on here for years,
so instead of saying up is up, and our OL is now a major concern, you have to deflect with now what about Lane Johnson type statements...

Because you are talking about when the best LT football goes down the team struggles. Guess what? Every OL struggles when they lose their best player, let alone their 2 best.

This is the same BS criticism that Nc used to make to prop up the Rams. Lo and behold last year guys got hurt and their OL tanked. Why? Because no one has depth.

No one having depth is the up is up statement. Can draft 5 OL like some want and will still have limited depth. That's the league.

False, the struggles are gonna be to the extent you can rely on the other guys. Armstead in MIA he's missed like half the season. They've been fine. You guys fall back on failed crutches like no team has depth, what kind of nonsense is that? If we drafted a round 2 or round 3 OL, in recent times, is that not better depth that what Trey Sermon is giving us right now? One can think of many examples of what we prioritize. Hard to say it's OL, certainly not via the draft in recent times. And yes the TL loss of draft capital, hits hard.. ppl may not want to talk about that, but it's a factor..

You are absolutely 💯 correct. When we don't draft o lineman and take other flyers on a RB or other skill positions and forget the line this is what happens. I jinxed the game saying the OLine was good after bashing it all pre season and again I was wrong. It goes back to Kyle's ego thinking he can scheme away from bad OLine play. We see time again and again when we play good physical defenses we get our asses kicked.

Unfortunately I probably will not see the niners win another Superbowl in my lifetime. This year minus the O line we had the players to win it all. I just hope we did not ruin Purdy with this O line. I have argued this over and over again.

NC is correct you need both a top o line and QB we saw what happened last night when we don't have that. Dammit I thought this may be our year.

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
False, the struggles are gonna be to the extent you can rely on the other guys. Armstead in MIA he's missed like half the season. They've been fine. You guys fall back on failed crutches like no team has depth, what kind of nonsense is that? If we drafted a round 2 or round 3 OL, in recent times, is that not better depth that what Trey Sermon is giving us right now? One can think of many examples of what we prioritize. Hard to say it's OL, certainly not via the draft in recent times. And yes the TL loss of draft capital, hits hard.. ppl may not want to talk about that, but it's a factor..

Depends on the player. Philly drafted a guard in the 3rd and he can't beat out an undrafted guy. Morris couldn't beat out an undrafted guy for weeks with KC. Like with Sermon a high draft pick doesn't guarantee you anything.

You ignore that the turnovers were the biggest factors in 3 of the 4 losses. Very few of Brock's picks this year have been solely on the OL. He's made bad reads. It happens. Learn from it and get better.

I don't think those INTs yesterday were on Purdy except the first one where he didn't look off the safety. The other 3 were good defense. Two passes broken up and tipped into the air and one where his arm was hit as he released the ball causing it to go off target. Still Brock wasn't as accurate as he usually is butI suspect part of that was the constant pressure and the need to try and make something happen when they got down right after the half. The Niners were able to pressure Lamar but he's used toit and has the ability to run away from defenders and still make plays.

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
try again, I'm saying McK and Jake and Feliciano are pretty suspect, particularly the right side, RG and RT
fair to ask if we should have made OL more a priority in recent drafts
the prob in here is NC is right in terms of OL being a weak link
I can admit that I was debating him and thinking OL wasn't the top concern, I think this was coming into the year
the prob is some folks can't admit that the OL is an issue, our QB was legit benched for fear of him being ripped apart last night

All good man. Glad you see the light. No point in debating with the final 2. Pride is a b***h sometimes. Ha.

Originally posted by bassmanr:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
part of the issue, you get twisted up in convos that have been going on here for years,
so instead of saying up is up, and our OL is now a major concern, you have to deflect with now what about Lane Johnson type statements...

Because you are talking about when the best LT football goes down the team struggles. Guess what? Every OL struggles when they lose their best player, let alone their 2 best.

This is the same BS criticism that Nc used to make to prop up the Rams. Lo and behold last year guys got hurt and their OL tanked. Why? Because no one has depth.

No one having depth is the up is up statement. Can draft 5 OL like some want and will still have limited depth. That's the league.

False, the struggles are gonna be to the extent you can rely on the other guys. Armstead in MIA he's missed like half the season. They've been fine. You guys fall back on failed crutches like no team has depth, what kind of nonsense is that? If we drafted a round 2 or round 3 OL, in recent times, is that not better depth that what Trey Sermon is giving us right now? One can think of many examples of what we prioritize. Hard to say it's OL, certainly not via the draft in recent times. And yes the TL loss of draft capital, hits hard.. ppl may not want to talk about that, but it's a factor..

You are absolutely 💯 correct. When we don't draft o lineman and take other flyers on a RB or other skill positions and forget the line this is what happens. I jinxed the game saying the OLine was good after bashing it all pre season and again I was wrong. It goes back to Kyle's ego thinking he can scheme away from bad OLine play. We see time again and again when we play good physical defenses we get our asses kicked.

Unfortunately I probably will not see the niners win another Superbowl in my lifetime. This year minus the O line we had the players to win it all. I just hope we did not ruin Purdy with this O line. I have argued this over and over again.

NC is correct you need both a top o line and QB we saw what happened last night when we don't have that. Dammit I thought this may be our year.

Hang in there. The good news is we probably won't face a team that can play to all our weaknesses like that and keep us off schedule on the big stage until the Superbowl. Gotta heal up first!