49ers Offensive Line

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by YACBros85:
He has the 10th lowest time in the league before being pressured though. Brock's anticipation/throwing before the receiver breaks is why he is able to consistently hit those deeper routes. Between Kyle's scheme and Brock's elite processing really makes this O line look better than it is.

The QB makes the OL look better? Who would have thought.

Naturally. To a point. That's where the concern lies. When it matters.

Originally posted by Giedi:
It can go both ways. QB can elevate OLine play, and OLine play can elevate QB play.

It's nowhere near the same though. Jared Goff is still Jared Goff.

Joe Burrow carried an awful OL to one play from a SB.

Originally posted by Giedi:
It can go both ways. QB can elevate OLine play, and OLine play can elevate QB play.

That's football. It's all connected.

Good luck getting that kind of line in today's game though. Can think of a couple of teams that had this over the last 5-10 years and none of them have rings.

*Check that. One did get a ring.

Originally posted by NCommand:
Naturally. To a point. That's where the concern lies. When it matters.

When it mattered Mahomes bailed out his mediocre pass blocking tackles. I expect Brock to do the same if the 9ers win.

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:

Originally posted by Giedi:
It can go both ways. QB can elevate OLine play, and OLine play can elevate QB play.

That's football. It's all connected.

Good luck getting that kind of line in today's game though. Can think of a couple of teams that had this over the last 5-10 years and none of them have rings.

*Check that. One did get a ring.

2017 eagles is that only team.. defense and OL carried that team to a SB

Originally posted by GoreGoreGore:
2017 eagles is that only team.. defense and OL carried that team to a SB

Yep

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:

Originally posted by Giedi:
It can go both ways. QB can elevate OLine play, and OLine play can elevate QB play.

That's football. It's all connected.

Good luck getting that kind of line in today's game though. Can think of a couple of teams that had this over the last 5-10 years and none of them have rings.

*Check that. One did get a ring.

Yeah. There's only a handful of top QB's (processing, pocket feel, mobility, arm strength, TTT anticipation, etc.) who can really assist an average OL and a handful of top OL's who can assist an average QB.

I think we're seeing some great examples of both this year especially given there isn't one team with a tier 1 QB + OL.

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by Giedi:
It can go both ways. QB can elevate OLine play, and OLine play can elevate QB play.

It's nowhere near the same though. Jared Goff is still Jared Goff.

Joe Burrow carried an awful OL to one play from a SB.

Well, I recall Nick Foles did pretty good in 2017. I think his OLine had something to do with it.

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:

Originally posted by GoreGoreGore:
2017 eagles is that only team.. defense and OL carried that team to a SB

Yep

What about Flacco/Ravens. Not exactly a mobile guy who lived by the OL and deep ball. We know intimately.

Originally posted by Giedi:
Well, I recall Nick Foles did pretty good in 2017. I think his OLine had something to do with it.

To give him credit, he played great.

That's the problem when you rely on stats and season long ranks.

A tier 1 OL can be considerably worse than that in a given game or a stretch of games. A mediocre QB can go on a run. A bottom tier defense can put it together for a stretch… and on and on.

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by Giedi:
It can go both ways. QB can elevate OLine play, and OLine play can elevate QB play.

It's nowhere near the same though. Jared Goff is still Jared Goff.

Joe Burrow carried an awful OL to one play from a SB.

Well, I recall Nick Foles did pretty good in 2017. I think his OLine had something to do with it.

Bucs OL, LA, Chiefs...Brady, Stafford and Mahomes were all totally different QB's the next year without their tier 1 OL's.

It's all interconnected.

Originally posted by NCommand:
What about Flacco/Ravens. Not exactly a mobile guy who lived by the OL and deep ball. We know intimately.

Just outside my 10 year window but I covered him in my most recent post. Dude was QB god in his title run and IIRC they restructured their OL late in the season along with replacing their OC.

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by random49er:

Originally posted by bassmanr:

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by YACBros85:
Brock is currently ranked the 14th highest pressured QB (38.6%) out of 41 qualifying QB's and has the 13th most pressured dropbacks (192) in the league.

Yet one of if not the best offense in the league. Shows there is room for improvement beyond what is going on.

As I said before, the Jimmy G of O lines. A tick above average overall.

Best analogy about the line I've heard. Not the worst but hopefully Brock can carry it to number 6.

If you are hitting big plays, u have to hold onto the ball longer. U hold onto the ball longer, the pressures go up.

What is he at right now,...9.6 YPA?

Would love to see years where players averaged 9.6 YPA yet the pressure % stats from the same source ranked in the Top 5 or even Top 10?

Stat mongers?

He has the 10th lowest time in the league before being pressured though. Brock's anticipation/throwing before the receiver breaks is why he is able to consistently hit those deeper routes. Between Kyle's scheme and Brock's elite processing really makes this O line look better than it is.

You're interpreting....but what you're leaving out are OTHER QBs taking advantage of the same thing that Brock has.

Brock is not the 1st QB in history to take advantage of anticipation.

So which is why I say....let's return back to the numbers.

Leave the inherent bias you're going to naturally have, and put everyone side by side.

If you have some guys in the last 20 years or so that were getting 9.6 YPA with a great, beneficial pressure rate as well,...please post.

The YPA and being 17th or so in the league in pressure % go together just fine.

Originally posted by NCommand:

100%.

lol....you'd think some of us here are running for office or something.

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by NCommand:
100%.

So I was ______ when I argued QBs don't make OLs better.

Haha. He is 100% in agreement with the poster saying/suggesting that the success is due to the QB instead of the blocking.

How many times can he step right into sh** and disagree with himself in 1 day?

Funny stuff. Entertaining to see.

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:

Originally posted by Giedi:
Well, I recall Nick Foles did pretty good in 2017. I think his OLine had something to do with it.

To give him credit, he played great.

That's the problem when you rely on stats and season long ranks.

A tier 1 OL can be considerably worse than that in a given game or a stretch of games. A mediocre QB can go on a run. A bottom tier defense can put it together for a stretch… and on and on.

This is very true. We've seen Philly, Lions and Cowboys (all made tier 1 this year at some point), struggle, even for stretches esp. with key injuries. Like our tier 1 DL...hell, they struggled against a patchwork Washington OL yesterday with 4 new starters.