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Originally posted by 9ers4eva:
Originally posted by NCommand:
Bucs OL, LA, Chiefs...Brady, Stafford and Mahomes were all totally different QB's the next year without their tier 1 OL's.
It's all interconnected.
Because OLs can't be terrible by and large (Joe Burrow notwithstanding)
Originally posted by 9ers4eva:
Originally posted by NCommand:
Your interpretation of that bet, even after described 100 times to you, is what's truly idiotic.
Understand it just fine. So does everyone else.
Originally posted by leakyfausett:
Moore, Feliciano, Brendal, Burford, Mckivitz Start. Bartch, Pryor play a lot. Banks, Williams don't see the field. Mckivitz and Feliciano get some rest later unless the rest Brendal later and Feliciano plays some center. Hard to rest everyone.
Originally posted by NCommand:
Originally posted by leakyfausett:
Moore, Feliciano, Brendal, Burford, Mckivitz Start. Bartch, Pryor play a lot. Banks, Williams don't see the field. Mckivitz and Feliciano get some rest later unless the rest Brendal later and Feliciano plays some center. Hard to rest everyone.
Yeah, you can't rest everyone, as Kyle noted. But it's try my hardest.
Originally posted by leakyfausett:
Originally posted by NCommand:
Originally posted by leakyfausett:
Moore, Feliciano, Brendal, Burford, Mckivitz Start. Bartch, Pryor play a lot. Banks, Williams don't see the field. Mckivitz and Feliciano get some rest later unless the rest Brendal later and Feliciano plays some center. Hard to rest everyone.
Yeah, you can't rest everyone, as Kyle noted. But I'd try my hardest.
With Moore in protocol that complicates things a little.
Originally posted by NCommand:
Originally posted by leakyfausett:
Originally posted by NCommand:
Originally posted by leakyfausett:
Moore, Feliciano, Brendal, Burford, Mckivitz Start. Bartch, Pryor play a lot. Banks, Williams don't see the field. Mckivitz and Feliciano get some rest later unless the rest Brendal later and Feliciano plays some center. Hard to rest everyone.
Yeah, you can't rest everyone, as Kyle noted. But I'd try my hardest.
With Moore in protocol that complicates things a little.
That's true too.
Originally posted by random49er:
Did the digging on this site since there were no volunteers, and....
In 2018, Fitz had a higher pressure rate @ 23%.
In 2019 Tannehill had a 24.1% pressure rate.
1998 Chris Chandler, 2000 Kurt Warner, Unavailable,...and I wont even dare to check stuff from the 1950's.
So getting everything into perspective, a 19.9% pressure rate doesn't look so bad anymore,...does it?
The data that we have (from this site at least) 100% supports what I said without a hitch: dont expect a superb pressure rate when you have been feasting on big plays all year.
Kind of a "no duhh" thing from my vantage point,...and context is everything.
Off the cuff, I can tell you Fitz was a Harvard guy. Not even close to the greatest athlete out there throwing, but knowing where everyone is and throwing with anticipation was what he was all about.
Brock's not the 1st QB to throw with anticipation or survive a 19% pressure rate, and he certainly won't be the last.
Originally posted by YACBros85:
Fitz was legit in those 8 games in 2018. Well, except for the extremely high INT rate which was probably caused by the high pressure rate. He didn't rely much on playaction as 22.7% of his total yards came from playaction . He averaged 9.2 YPA on non playaction passes though. Which is why I am saying its legit.
2019 Tannehill relied heavily on playaction. 44.4% of his total passing yards to be exact and averaged 12.7 YPA. Non playaction he averaged 7.2 YPA.
26.5% of Brock's total yards have come from playaction. Brock is averaging 9.2 YPA on non playaction passes. He also has done this through 16 games and has faced pressure on a higher % of his dropbacks than either of those two QB's.
Originally posted by random49er:
Originally posted by YACBros85:
Fitz was legit in those 8 games in 2018. Well, except for the extremely high INT rate which was probably caused by the high pressure rate. He didn't rely much on playaction as 22.7% of his total yards came from playaction . He averaged 9.2 YPA on non playaction passes though. Which is why I am saying its legit.
2019 Tannehill relied heavily on playaction. 44.4% of his total passing yards to be exact and averaged 12.7 YPA. Non playaction he averaged 7.2 YPA.
26.5% of Brock's total yards have come from playaction. Brock is averaging 9.2 YPA on non playaction passes. He also has done this through 16 games and has faced pressure on a higher % of his dropbacks than either of those two QB's.
Dont wanna over-legitimize 8 games vs. Brock's 16 as a previous poster suggested.
My intention wasn't really to compare how well the QBs did either, tbh. Where we started at was pressure rate.
Both QBs listed had much higher pressure rates with comparable YPAs and -- get this -- Brock's time with the ball per fantasypros.com is longer!!
2.6 secs per play for Brock vs. 2.4 for Fitz,...even further enhancing how the pass protection looks in comparison.
Tannehill the next year was @ 2.7 but again....dont wanna over-emphasize guys that played fractions of a full 16.
Higher YPA correlate with being pressured more,....both in common sense and in the numbers, as they show.
That's all I was saying.
Originally posted by NCommand:
LMAO. I guess people don't get wiser as the years pass.
Originally posted by YACBros85:
YPA isn't all created equal as there are many factors that go into that stat such as CAY/Cmp and YAC. I used playaction as a way to separate true pass sets and play design that is known for buying extra time.
The better way to evaluate pass pro imo is to use pressure rate, TTT under pressure and passer rating under pressure. If the pressure rate is high and the TTT is low it means that pass pro is not holding up very well. If the passer rating is high in this situation than the QB is overcoming poor pass pro. If the pressure rate is high and the TTT is high it means that pass pro was holding up. The passer rating in that situation would depend on the QB's ability to read the field and/or the receivers ability to get separation.
Originally posted by YACBros85:
Originally posted by random49er:
Originally posted by YACBros85:
Fitz was legit in those 8 games in 2018. Well, except for the extremely high INT rate which was probably caused by the high pressure rate. He didn't rely much on playaction as 22.7% of his total yards came from playaction . He averaged 9.2 YPA on non playaction passes though. Which is why I am saying its legit.
2019 Tannehill relied heavily on playaction. 44.4% of his total passing yards to be exact and averaged 12.7 YPA. Non playaction he averaged 7.2 YPA.
26.5% of Brock's total yards have come from playaction. Brock is averaging 9.2 YPA on non playaction passes. He also has done this through 16 games and has faced pressure on a higher % of his dropbacks than either of those two QB's.
Dont wanna over-legitimize 8 games vs. Brock's 16 as a previous poster suggested.
My intention wasn't really to compare how well the QBs did either, tbh. Where we started at was pressure rate.
Both QBs listed had much higher pressure rates with comparable YPAs and -- get this -- Brock's time with the ball per fantasypros.com is longer!!
2.6 secs per play for Brock vs. 2.4 for Fitz,...even further enhancing how the pass protection looks in comparison.
Tannehill the next year was @ 2.7 but again....dont wanna over-emphasize guys that played fractions of a full 16.
Higher YPA correlate with being pressured more,....both in common sense and in the numbers, as they show.
That's all I was saying.
YPA isn't all created equal as there are many factors that go into that stat such as CAY/Cmp and YAC. I used playaction as a way to separate true pass sets and play design that is known for buying extra time.
The better way to evaluate pass pro imo is to use pressure rate, TTT under pressure and passer rating under pressure. If the pressure rate is high and the TTT is low it means that pass pro is not holding up very well. If the passer rating is high in this situation than the QB is overcoming poor pass pro. If the pressure rate is high and the TTT is high it means that pass pro was holding up. The passer rating in that situation would depend on the QB's ability to read the field and/or the receivers ability to get separation.
Originally posted by 9ers4eva:
Originally posted by YACBros85:
YPA isn't all created equal as there are many factors that go into that stat such as CAY/Cmp and YAC. I used playaction as a way to separate true pass sets and play design that is known for buying extra time.
The better way to evaluate pass pro imo is to use pressure rate, TTT under pressure and passer rating under pressure. If the pressure rate is high and the TTT is low it means that pass pro is not holding up very well. If the passer rating is high in this situation than the QB is overcoming poor pass pro. If the pressure rate is high and the TTT is high it means that pass pro was holding up. The passer rating in that situation would depend on the QB's ability to read the field and/or the receivers ability to get separation.
Like the 2021 nfc title game. Big TTT with high pressure rate.
Originally posted by 9ers4eva:
Originally posted by NCommand:
LMAO. I guess people don't get wiser as the years pass.
Eh the ones that avoid banging their head against the wall in this thread are wiser than me.
Originally posted by NCommand:
Originally posted by 9ers4eva:
Originally posted by NCommand:
LMAO. I guess people don't get wiser as the years pass.
Eh the ones that avoid banging their head against the wall in this thread are wiser than me.
Given "their" track record for the past 7 years, despite reality, I'd say they've banged their head so long they're brain dead by now. It shows.
