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Jan 2, 2024 at 8:46 AM

NCommand
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Originally posted by 9ers4eva:
Hurts isn't struggling because of his OL play. He can't process the field. His OL gave him time against us and he couldn't complete the throws.

Teams have adjusted to their run game and the Eagles have no counter.

Originally posted by YACBros85:
He had forever and a day in the pocket against us. I believe losing his OC had more to do with his drop in performance than his O line.

True but he struggled the most this year when that line wasn't intact and IMHO, they were much better as a unit last year. We can always pivot to other factors too but no doubt, OL has been a factor for him and he's got no real excuses because overall, it's still a top unit.

Jan 2, 2024 at 8:47 AM

#40502

Shorteous
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Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by NCommand:
His OL was not as consistent and strong this year but this is another great example of how important the OL is in the formula. He went from an MVP candidate last year to an average QB in no time.

Hurts isn't struggling because of his OL play. He can't process the field. His OL gave him time against us and he couldn't complete the throws.

Teams have adjusted to their run game and the Eagles have no counter.

I think that's NC point. You put Jalen on a team with a bad OL and I think it's a very very bad result.

Jan 2, 2024 at 8:48 AM

#40503

NCommand
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Originally posted by YACBros85:
Jalen's struggles to read the field isn't anything new. Its been like that his entire career.

This is very true too. 9ers exposed him the most in that regard.

Jan 2, 2024 at 8:48 AM

#40504

NYniner85
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Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by SlipAndSlideBosa:
Give us the Eagles Oline and we would be unstoppable.

Shows how overrated Hurts is by playing behind that oline.

His OL was not as consistent and strong this year but this is another great example of how important the OL is in the formula. He went from an MVP candidate last year to an average QB in no time.

He was looked at as a MVP candidate all yr until he played SF.

their offensive scheme is vanilla trash & has been exposed.

He ain't playing worse because of his OL lol

Jan 2, 2024 at 8:49 AM

#40505

NCommand
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Originally posted by Shorteous:

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by NCommand:
His OL was not as consistent and strong this year but this is another great example of how important the OL is in the formula. He went from an MVP candidate last year to an average QB in no time.

Hurts isn't struggling because of his OL play. He can't process the field. His OL gave him time against us and he couldn't complete the throws.

Teams have adjusted to their run game and the Eagles have no counter.

I think that's NC point. You put Jalen on a team with a bad OL and I think it's a very very bad result.

No doubt.

Jan 2, 2024 at 8:50 AM

#40506

NYniner85
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Originally posted by 9ers4eva:
Hurts isn't struggling because of his OL play. He can't process the field. His OL gave him time against us and he couldn't complete the throws.

Teams have adjusted to their run game and the Eagles have no counter.

Bingo. All the RPO/read option s**t isn't working. Teams are keeping him in the pocket and making him process the field. IMO his play is very similar to Wilson in Seattle.

Jan 2, 2024 at 8:50 AM

#40507

YACBros85
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Originally posted by CatchMaster80:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by SlipAndSlideBosa:
Give us the Eagles Oline and we would be unstoppable.

Shows how overrated Hurts is by playing behind that oline.

His OL was not as consistent and strong this year but this is another great example of how important the OL is in the formula. He went from an MVP candidate last year to an average QB in no time.

He had forever and a day in the pocket against us. I believe losing his OC had more to do with his drop in performance than his O line.

Not every QB has a great year. Mahomes isn't having great yer because his receivers are young and leading the league in drops. When a QB has a great year it usually means his receivers and O line all played well and stayed relatively healthy. A good running game doesn't hurt either. The difference between success and failure in the NFL is very thin.

A QB can also struggle independent of those things. Which I believe he is.

Jan 2, 2024 at 8:50 AM

#40508

NCommand
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Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by SlipAndSlideBosa:
Give us the Eagles Oline and we would be unstoppable.

Shows how overrated Hurts is by playing behind that oline.

His OL was not as consistent and strong this year but this is another great example of how important the OL is in the formula. He went from an MVP candidate last year to an average QB in no time.

He was looked at as a MVP candidate all yr until he played SF.

their offensive scheme is vanilla trash & has been exposed.

He ain't playing worse because of his OL lol

In all his losses, he was down Lane+ or a gimpy Lane. And he was very much affected by that. It still doesn't dismiss your overall point too. I agree.

Jan 2, 2024 at 8:51 AM

#40509

NYniner85
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Originally posted by Shorteous:
I think that's NC point. You put Jalen on a team with a bad OL and I think it's a very very bad result.

I mean damn near every QB will struggle with a s**t OL and bad scheming.

Jan 2, 2024 at 8:52 AM

#40510

NYniner85
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Originally posted by NCommand:
In all his losses, he was down Lane+ or a gimpy Lane. And he was very much affected by that. It still doesn't dismiss your overall point too. I agree.

Lane was banged up all last yr as well…dude plays hurt all the time.

I just don't think he's that great of a "QB" he's a good football player that can throw a football/run. I feel like Lamar is similar.

Jan 2, 2024 at 8:52 AM

#40511

YACBros85
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Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by YACBros85:
Jalen's struggles to read the field isn't anything new. Its been like that his entire career.

This is very true too. 9ers exposed him the most in that regard.

They exposed him in the NFCCG as well but no one noticed it because of the lopsided score.

Jan 2, 2024 at 8:53 AM

#40512

NYniner85
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Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by SlipAndSlideBosa:
Give us the Eagles Oline and we would be unstoppable.

Shows how overrated Hurts is by playing behind that oline.

His OL was not as consistent and strong this year but this is another great example of how important the OL is in the formula. He went from an MVP candidate last year to an average QB in no time.

He had forever and a day in the pocket against us. I believe losing his OC had more to do with his drop in performance than his O line.

Not every QB has a great year. Mahomes isn't having great yer because his receivers are young and leading the league in drops. When a QB has a great year it usually means his receivers and O line all played well and stayed relatively healthy. A good running game doesn't hurt either. The difference between success and failure in the NFL is very thin.

A QB can also struggle independent of those things. Which I believe he is.

Agreed, Mahomes is playing "poorly" all on his own too.

Jan 2, 2024 at 8:57 AM

#40513

CatchMaster80
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Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by SlipAndSlideBosa:
Give us the Eagles Oline and we would be unstoppable.

Shows how overrated Hurts is by playing behind that oline.

His OL was not as consistent and strong this year but this is another great example of how important the OL is in the formula. He went from an MVP candidate last year to an average QB in no time.

He had forever and a day in the pocket against us. I believe losing his OC had more to do with his drop in performance than his O line.

Not every QB has a great year. Mahomes isn't having great yer because his receivers are young and leading the league in drops. When a QB has a great year it usually means his receivers and O line all played well and stayed relatively healthy. A good running game doesn't hurt either. The difference between success and failure in the NFL is very thin.

A QB can also struggle independent of those things. Which I believe he is.

Absolutely. Players sometimes just have an off year. It could be minor injuries or off field issues that affect their preparation. Players and coaches can't always explain it.

Jan 2, 2024 at 8:58 AM

#40514

Hoovtrain
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Repost

[ Edited by Hoovtrain on Jan 2, 2024 at 8:59 AM ]

Jan 2, 2024 at 8:59 AM

#40515

Hoovtrain
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Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by NCommand:
In all his losses, he was down Lane+ or a gimpy Lane. And he was very much affected by that. It still doesn't dismiss your overall point too. I agree.

Lane was banged up all last yr as well…dude plays hurt all the time.

I just don't think he's that great of a "QB" he's a good football player that can throw a football/run. I feel like Lamar is similar.

Lane Johnson has started 15 of 16 games and a higher snap count than last year. Only game he missed was a W against BUF . Spare me the lane Johnson b******t excuse for Hurts struggles. And if that's the problem, PHI has ton a terrible job of stacking talent to offset this

[ Edited by Hoovtrain on Jan 2, 2024 at 9:00 AM ]