49ers Offensive Line

Originally posted by NCommand:
Too bad nobody wants to talk our DL. It's been pretty underwhelming this year esp. regarding ROI.

I mean we've allowed 5 teams to score over 20 pts whole yr the (2 teams with over 30 and that's with multiple TOs).

id saying overall the DL and everyone else on D has been more than fine.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by NCommand:
Too bad nobody wants to talk our DL. It's been pretty underwhelming this year esp. regarding ROI.

I mean we've allowed 5 teams to score over 20 pts whole yr the (2 teams with over 30 and that's with multiple TOs).

id saying overall the DL and everyone else on D has been more than fine.

I agree. Only weakness is double-teamed inside runs and I hope Joseph-Day and return of Armstead turn this weakness into a strength.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by NCommand:
Too bad nobody wants to talk our DL. It's been pretty underwhelming this year esp. regarding ROI.

I mean we've allowed 5 teams to score over 20 pts whole yr the (2 teams with over 30 and that's with multiple TOs).

id saying overall the DL and everyone else on D has been more than fine.

Run defense has been a bit poor without Armstead. We went from 7th in yards per attempt allowed to 18th in his absence. We are 8th in the league with 46 sacks though.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by NCommand:
Too bad nobody wants to talk our DL. It's been pretty underwhelming this year esp. regarding ROI.

I mean we've allowed 5 teams to score over 20 pts whole yr the (2 teams with over 30 and that's with multiple TOs).

id saying overall the DL and everyone else on D has been more than fine.

For the gazillion resources that have gone into it, it's definitely not the dominant Tampa Bay Bucs DL Lynch had been trying to build. I'm not saying it's bad but for ROI, it's pretty meh.

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by NCommand:
Too bad nobody wants to talk our DL. It's been pretty underwhelming this year esp. regarding ROI.

I mean we've allowed 5 teams to score over 20 pts whole yr the (2 teams with over 30 and that's with multiple TOs).

id saying overall the DL and everyone else on D has been more than fine.

For the gazillion resources that have gone into it, it's definitely not the dominant Tampa Bay Bucs DL Lynch had been trying to build. I'm not saying it's bad but for ROI, it's pretty meh.

Based on actual results, the DL and defense have played better than last year.

defenses to stay dominant in back to back years is not an easy task. To continue that dominance is actually proof of ROI

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
Based on actual results, the DL and defense have played better than last year.

defenses to stay dominant in back to back years is not an easy task. To continue that dominance is actually proof of ROI

We're not as strong in DVOA or EPA. It's pretty clear the defense isn't as good as it has been, but it's still good.

The 'concerning' part would be that this defense is arguably the most talented of the Kyle era.

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by NCommand:
Too bad nobody wants to talk our DL. It's been pretty underwhelming this year esp. regarding ROI.

I mean we've allowed 5 teams to score over 20 pts whole yr the (2 teams with over 30 and that's with multiple TOs).

id saying overall the DL and everyone else on D has been more than fine.

For the gazillion resources that have gone into it, it's definitely not the dominant Tampa Bay Bucs DL Lynch had been trying to build. I'm not saying it's bad but for ROI, it's pretty meh.

I mean it's literally one of the best in the NFL. Those days of in the pocket only QBs like the Tampa day's is over. Can't compare 15 years ago to now.

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:
We're not as strong in DVOA or EPA. It's pretty clear the defense isn't as good as it has been, but it's still good.

The 'concerning' part would be that this defense is arguably the most talented of the Kyle era.

do these take into account garbage time stats? Because we have been blowing teams out this year way more than last year and a lot of those end up being garbage time points

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
Based on actual results, the DL and defense have played better than last year.

defenses to stay dominant in back to back years is not an easy task. To continue that dominance is actually proof of ROI

We're not as strong in DVOA or EPA. It's pretty clear the defense isn't as good as it has been, but it's still good.

The 'concerning' part would be that this defense is arguably the most talented of the Kyle era.

The only concerning part is we don't attack the QB, we just contain them

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
The only concerning part is we don't attack the QB, we just contain them

we have more sacks than last year

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:
We're not as strong in DVOA or EPA. It's pretty clear the defense isn't as good as it has been, but it's still good.

The 'concerning' part would be that this defense is arguably the most talented of the Kyle era.

one part of the construction that may be an achilles heel is we don't have much run stuff up front, AA is like The Guy, and he's out

Originally posted by ritz126:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
The only concerning part is we don't attack the QB, we just contain them

we have more sacks than last year

True, but we're still not attacking. It's mostly bull rush and close in the pocket.

while it works for running QBs, I hate it when we use it against pocket QBs

Originally posted by ritz126:
do these take into account garbage time stats? Because we have been blowing teams out this year way more than last year and a lot of those end up being garbage time points

This isn't a measure of points. Points can be circumstantial as you're describing.

But let's talk about points. How many garbage time games did we have where the other team actually generated significant points or yardage in 'garbage time'. This hasn't really happened.

The other point would be having multiple possession leads tend to help your defense… especially one like ours… because it can force an offense into a one dimensional attack (that plays into the actual strength of our D).

Sometimes you have to just watch the film and look beyond stats, especially points and yards (and also DVOA and epa). To give DVOA credit, it's at least opponent adjusted.

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
one part of the construction that may be an achilles heel is we don't have much run stuff up front, AA is like The Guy, and he's out

Sure. Also dropped off in pass rushing depth and probably even starter level play at edge opposite of Bosa (even worse before adding RG and CY).

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
Based on actual results, the DL and defense have played better than last year.

defenses to stay dominant in back to back years is not an easy task. To continue that dominance is actually proof of ROI

We're not as strong in DVOA or EPA. It's pretty clear the defense isn't as good as it has been, but it's still good.

The 'concerning' part would be that this defense is arguably the most talented of the Kyle era.

And this is where I have my concerns with Wilks. All
the other DCs were in house and everything just continued seamlessly. This season is uneven imo, but to sit and b***h about the D and whine about "gazillion resources"is just more sour grapes because Lynch didn't follow some WZ experts plan