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Originally posted by dtg_9er:
The Harbaugh/Roman niners were the first team I have ever seen consistently facing 8 or 9 guys in the box. There was a reason for this...playcalling.
Originally posted by dtg_9er:I dont disagree. How many times do you remember seeing D.Walker or WR run along the back side of the Oline and pop a squat before the ball was hiked. The horrible thing was that the run gap always ended up in the same place...
Originally posted by Oakland-Niner:
Everything comes down to the Oline. If these guys don't do their job, our "down field threats" wont have time to get down field.
Play calling has to help the OL out! If they just tip the defense what they plan to do and try to power their way through it will be another long year. Power blocking is so dependent on having the best, strongest line...and is still dependent on being able to beat a stacked box. Having some stealth is really important. Roman had some ver good ideas, like the Wham Block, but after a few years other teams figured out how to beat his blocking schemes and the pass blocking was so bad, and under emphasized, the team couldn't counter the stacked boxes.
The Harbaugh/Roman niners were the first team I have ever seen consistently facing 8 or 9 guys in the box. There was a reason for this...playcalling.
Originally posted by Oakland-Niner:oh man, that would be bad
I know J. Martin was soft, but why is he retiring too? There must be something in the new stadium water that makes people want to quit.
Originally posted by ninerjok:
I'm sure the Jonathan Martin retirement will also be attributed to the Niners. Hell, might as well add one more while we're at it.
Originally posted by Big_Daddy:not having roman will help, though everything was ok'd by the head of the rattlesnake at the time
Originally posted by dtg_9er:
Play calling has to help the OL out! If they just tip the defense what they plan to do and try to power their way through it will be another long year. Power blocking is so dependent on having the best, strongest line...and is still dependent on being able to beat a stacked box. Having some stealth is really important. Roman had some ver good ideas, like the Wham Block, but after a few years other teams figured out how to beat his blocking schemes and the pass blocking was so bad, and under emphasized, the team couldn't counter the stacked boxes.
The Harbaugh/Roman niners were the first team I have ever seen consistently facing 8 or 9 guys in the box. There was a reason for this...playcalling.
Disgusting how many stacked boxes we saw and couldn't take advantage of. Instead we tried running into it time and time again. And when it was a pass, the run blitzes turned into pass blitzes and we failed anyways.
I'm hoping the ZBS helps some in that there is no predetermined hole. Also, having Torrey smith should back up a safety for a change.
Originally posted by NCommand:
It starts with Chris Foerster & Eric Wolford. These two are best known for their zone blocking schemes (which we're anticipating will be installed here). So with our personnel, these fatties from the power run scheme (buh-bye Iupati) are going to have to slim down, get in shape, do some cardio, be able to move quickly from 3-4-point stance, rise quickly, block on the move in a zone, drop down and block at the next level, etc. Technique will be critical. As to personnel, I have a feeling we'll see some changes in the lineup (blocking in a ZBS includes the TE's as well):
H-Back: Derek Carrier
TE: Vernon Davis; Vance McDonald, Garrett Celek, Asante Cleveland & Xavier Grimble
FB: Bruce Miller; Trey Millard
LOT: Joe Staley; Erik Pears
ROT: Anthony Davis; Chris Martin & Fou Fonoti
LG: Brandon Thomas/Marcus Martin; & Andrew Tiller
RG: Alex Boone; Joe Looney
C: Daniel Kilgore/Marcus Martin; Dillon Farrell
WRATH is one of our resident OL experts and he's had some great thoughts on ideal personnel and why they would fit best.
Originally posted by fan49:
Originally posted by NCommand:
It starts with Chris Foerster & Eric Wolford. These two are best known for their zone blocking schemes (which we're anticipating will be installed here). So with our personnel, these fatties from the power run scheme (buh-bye Iupati) are going to have to slim down, get in shape, do some cardio, be able to move quickly from 3-4-point stance, rise quickly, block on the move in a zone, drop down and block at the next level, etc. Technique will be critical. As to personnel, I have a feeling we'll see some changes in the lineup (blocking in a ZBS includes the TE's as well):
H-Back: Derek Carrier
TE: Vernon Davis; Vance McDonald, Garrett Celek, Asante Cleveland & Xavier Grimble
FB: Bruce Miller; Trey Millard
LOT: Joe Staley; Erik Pears
ROT: Anthony Davis; Chris Martin & Fou Fonoti
LG: Brandon Thomas/Marcus Martin; & Andrew Tiller
RG: Alex Boone; Joe Looney
C: Daniel Kilgore/Marcus Martin; Dillon Farrell
WRATH is one of our resident OL experts and he's had some great thoughts on ideal personnel and why they would fit best.
i personally hope martin gets the nod at center. he was great in college. and kilgore was not anything special
Originally posted by Disp:
Originally posted by dtg_9er:
The Harbaugh/Roman niners were the first team I have ever seen consistently facing 8 or 9 guys in the box. There was a reason for this...playcalling.
So you weren't watching the Niners from 2003-2010? Gore has gone up against stacked boxes his entire career because we were so bad at passing in between when Garcia left and Harbaugh arrived.
Originally posted by fan49:god this again,,,, kilgore was a very very good center
i personally hope martin gets the nod at center. he was great in college. and kilgore was not anything special
Originally posted by dtg_9er:
Originally posted by Disp:
Originally posted by dtg_9er:
The Harbaugh/Roman niners were the first team I have ever seen consistently facing 8 or 9 guys in the box. There was a reason for this...playcalling.
So you weren't watching the Niners from 2003-2010? Gore has gone up against stacked boxes his entire career because we were so bad at passing in between when Garcia left and Harbaugh arrived.
You are wrong.
Originally posted by cciowa:
Originally posted by fan49:god this again,,,, kilgore was a very very good center
i personally hope martin gets the nod at center. he was great in college. and kilgore was not anything special