Colin Kaepernick Thread

Originally posted by pasodoc9er:

Originally posted by jersey49er:
All I'm saying is Thursday was the 2nd time Kap played live football in quite awhile and he played a lot better then his 1st time..not his fault he played back ups..id be more worried if he struggled against them then having a good appearance..yes the man has put a spot light on him with his actions abd train sure we all wish he didn't and just focused on football but what's done is done..I personally don't have faith in Gabbert so I expect Kap will be needed and hope he shows progression with every snap..(I'm not a Gabbert hater just don't see him as a starter tho I hope I'm wrong and he lights it up and becomes great id gladly admit I'm wrong and buy his jersey lol just want the niners to win)

I sure agree with the first part of your post. 1st time out against a tough blitzing D, Kap looked poor. Awful, but no worse than he looked end of 2014 season and first half of 2015 season. Actually , he looked exactly like he did his first time out, last week. Couldn't read D's, couldn't get thru progressions, didn't see the field and took off . Yes , he looked good Thurs against the 2s and 3s, with no blitzing, but that isn't the real NFL. Last week was. So all that can be said of Thurs performance is, against weak competition, 2s and 3s, Kap looked fine. No blitzing, and he did well. But he wasn't challenged like he was last week, so until that happens, we don't know any more about him than we did after last week's appearance against 1s and 2s and full on blitzes. If a team wants a QB who can play good against 2s and 3s, well, we got him....and they can have him. Because right now against tough opponents and blitzing, Kap has looked like he did last two yrs when he was playing...ie, not very good.


I guess if we want a $14 mil backup Qb, who if he gets injured again, we have to pay him another $14 mil for next yr....well then, hey, then, we have our man. Politics aside, Kap has managed to stay static or actually regress in QB play and QB skills...the two most important of which, are reading a D and going thru progressions. Going back to end 2014 and 1st half 2015, he is still the same guy. Can't do either of the things needed to be a successful QB in NFL. NotForLong, bubba, not for long.

The good part was that if the Vikes really liked what they saw, maybe they are interested. So his Thurs nite performance was a positive, re: trade. But if we factor in what a real D with tough blitzers do to Kap, well, then, ummm, not so desirable. And as a $14 mil backup? Wow, pretty expensive for a guy who can't handle tough NFL Ds.

I've never been a big fan of Kaepernick's game, which has always been too much boom or bust for me, but I have to say that some of his recent press conferences have given me a better appreciation for the man he is trying to become and so I find myself rooting for him a bit more than I have in the past . That being said, I thought his first drive the other night was okay and demonstrated the potential for Kelly's offense. Given the number of QB's they went through in Philly he is almost certain to see the field at some point this year so I don't really have a problem with paying him his money for this season, though obviously the potential for further injury and what that will mean financially is a bit of a worry,

As has been noted elsewhere the first stretch of games is going to be brutal, though I am more optimistic than I have any right to be about the possible outcome. Rams is a winnable game and they played the Cardinals tough in Gabbert's start last year in a game that was really badly officiated and was undone by several penalties against Pears that nullified good plays by the offense. Man, I'm glad that guy is gone. Dallas is a winnable game if the run defense can get its act together. And for reasons I can neither justify, rationalize or defend, I think they might actually hold on against Carolina. How Gabbert plays during this string of games will go a long way towards determining how their season plays out and whether or not Kaepernick will return to a more prominent role. Either way I am hoping to see the beginning of a 49er resurgence this year and will be rooting for whoever is in the game. Go Niners!!

Originally posted by NCommand:

Baalke: "Kaepernick, welcome, have a seat. So we want you here for a long time. But right now you're going to be backing up Blaine. You got a late start so if nothing else, you'll get some time to catch up and be ready to go when we need you to lead this team."

Kaepernick: "I understand."

Baalke: "Terrific. Now, because you'll be a backup, we need to restructure your contact fairly. Should you regain your starting position and play at a high level, we'll restructure up again. Are you willing to do this to stay a 49er?"

Kaepernick: "No."

Baalke: "We anticipated you'd say this. We'll be cutting you. We thank you for your service. And we wish you only the best in your new career as an activist. Paraag has a list of charitable causes that support your BLM movement."

Originally posted by NCommand:

Baalke: "Kaepernick, welcome, have a seat. So we want you here for a long time. But right now you're going to be backing up Blaine. You got a late start so if nothing else, you'll get some time to catch up and be ready to go when we need you to lead this team."

Kaepernick: "I understand."

Baalke: "Terrific. Now, because you'll be a backup, we need to restructure your contact fairly. Should you regain your starting position and play at a high level, we'll restructure up again. Are you willing to do this to stay a 49er?"

Kaepernick: "No."

Baalke: "We anticipated you'd say this. We'll be cutting you. We thank you for your service. And we wish you only the best in your new career as an activist. Paraag has a list of charitable causes that support your BLM movement."

Originally posted by jersey49er:

Originally posted by NCommand:
Baalke: "Kaepernick, welcome, have a seat. So we want you here for a long time. But right now you're going to be backing up Blaine. You got a late start so if nothing else, you'll get some time to catch up and be ready to go when we need you to lead this team."

Kaepernick: "I understand."

Baalke: "Terrific. Now, because you'll be a backup, we need to restructure your contact fairly. Should you regain your starting position and play at a high level, we'll restructure up again. Are you willing to do this to stay a 49er?"

Kaepernick: "No."

Baalke: "We anticipated you'd say this. We'll be cutting you. We thank you for your service. And we wish you only the best in your new career as an activist. Paraag has a list of charitable causes that support your BLM movement."

Would you restructure ? I wouldn't..they organization hasn't been behind kap 100% since Harbaugh days..hes not wrong for wanting his money..even if he doesn't deserve it..

At first I also thought it would make no sense to restructure for Kaep. No way anyone would be stupid enough to restructure any money that's already guaranteed. But if you think 2017 and beyond than it would make sense to restructure for both side. The Niners want to pay him less in 2017 and beyond or cut him after 2016. And Kaep, if he wants to play football, would have to take less in 2017 and beyond also because NO team would pay him as much as his current contract, even if he becomes a FA.

He's almost un tradable at this point. His play dismissed, the controversy, and the high price tag. Remember the Broncos' deal was all agreed on except Kaep didn't want to take the deep paycut.

Originally posted by jersey49er:

Would you restructure ? I wouldn't..they organization hasn't been behind kap 100% since Harbaugh days..hes not wrong for wanting his money..even if he doesn't deserve it..

Not relevant. This is a restructure going forward. He already got his starter franchise QB money this year. But he lost his job. So if he wants to stay, he has to be paid commensurate to his current backup position. Period. He and his camp will be ready for this business move. He may take it and the security to stay "home" or take his chances, be cut, not make another penny and hope he can join a team this late and earn a new contract and a chance to resurrect his career elsewhere.

We have 2 backup QB playing against 2nd/3rd stringers and one lit up the defense with 22 points while other got 6. Good One is cheap but has no good history. Decent One comes with a high-price and a good history 2-3 years ago plus off-field distraction. I have no idea why 49ers would want the decent one with all the risk of paying him again next year?

People don't judge fairly. Many expect Gabbert to fail based on his history but expect Kaep to succeed because of his history. Gabbert has been focused on football for the past 2years and Kaep's mind is removed from football based on his decline and focus lately. I just don't get it

Originally posted by niners_believer:

We have 2 backup QB playing against 2nd/3rd stringers and one lit up the defense with 22 points while other got 6. Good One is cheap but has no good history. Decent One comes with a high-price and a good history 2-3 years ago plus off-field distraction. I have no idea why 49ers would want the decent one with all the risk of paying him again next year?

People don't judge fairly. Many expect Gabbert to fail based on his history but expect Kaep to succeed because of his history. Gabbert has been focused on football for the past 2years and Kaep's mind is removed from football based on his decline and focus lately. I just don't get it

It's business, strictly business.

Originally posted by niners_believer:
We have 2 backup QB playing against 2nd/3rd stringers and one lit up the defense with 22 points while other got 6. Good One is cheap but has no good history. Decent One comes with a high-price and a good history 2-3 years ago plus off-field distraction. I have no idea why 49ers would want the decent one with all the risk of paying him again next year?

People don't judge fairly. Many expect Gabbert to fail based on his history but expect Kaep to succeed because of his history. Gabbert has been focused on football for the past 2years and Kaep's mind is removed from football based on his decline and focus lately. I just don't get it

Using "points" to judge the QB's is pretty dumb since they're scored as a team. First of all, if we're going to be technical here and use that logic, Kaepernick scored 9, not 6. Second of all, Ponder scored 22 points alright... Thanks to Rush, lol.

Originally posted by NCommand:
Not relevant. This is a restructure going forward. He already got his starter franchise QB money this year. But he lost his job. So if he wants to stay, he has to be paid commensurate to his current backup position. Period. He and his camp will be ready for this business move. He may take it and the security to stay "home" or take his chances, be cut, not make another penny and hope he can join a team this late and earn a new contract and a chance to resurrect his career elsewhere.

Sounds good, but probably won't happen. Kap is not going to take a pay cut.

Originally posted by mayo49:

Originally posted by NCommand:
Not relevant. This is a restructure going forward. He already got his starter franchise QB money this year. But he lost his job. So if he wants to stay, he has to be paid commensurate to his current backup position. Period. He and his camp will be ready for this business move. He may take it and the security to stay "home" or take his chances, be cut, not make another penny and hope he can join a team this late and earn a new contract and a chance to resurrect his career elsewhere.

Sounds good, but probably won't happen. Kap is not going to take a pay cut.

He'll get cut. Either now or at the end of the year. Inevitable.

Originally posted by mayo49:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Not relevant. This is a restructure going forward. He already got his starter franchise QB money this year. But he lost his job. So if he wants to stay, he has to be paid commensurate to his current backup position. Period. He and his camp will be ready for this business move. He may take it and the security to stay "home" or take his chances, be cut, not make another penny and hope he can join a team this late and earn a new contract and a chance to resurrect his career elsewhere.

Sounds good, but probably won't happen. Kap is not going to take a pay cut.

Hence why I didn't include him in my 53 projection.

Originally posted by qnnhan7:
He'll get cut. Either now or at the end of the year. Inevitable.

I see them RG3 him rather than cutting him, but cutting him is a probably a bigger probability.

Kaep is still a boss. Dude making money while haters are at home like this on a Saturday morning



spouting nonsense

Originally posted by Bay2Bay9erAllday:
Kaep is still a boss. Dude making money while haters are at home like this on a Saturday morning



spouting nonsense

LOL

ok so aside from the controversy, is it just me or is there a slight improvement in Kaep's timing/pocket presence?