Colin Kaepernick Thread

Since Kap worked out w/ many WR prospects at EXOS that are entering the draft, does anybody have any word if he said anything about any of them (publicly or rumored)? Hard to imagine he didn't inform Baalke or any scouts about them.

Originally posted by Mertonschickendance:
Since Kap worked out w/ many WR prospects at EXOS that are entering the draft, does anybody have any word if he said anything about any of them (publicly or rumored)? Hard to imagine he didn't inform Baalke or any scouts about them.

What Kap had to say hopefully we won't hear of it until after the draft because other team's have no business knowing about it IMO

Originally posted by verb1der:
I don't like Roman, but you guys are wayyyyy too hard on him. just think about the list of highly reputable defensive coordinators he's outcoached in the post-season.

Anyone who thinks we won't miss a step, be careful!

Ah yes Greg Roman got the best of Mike Nolan congrats to Greg

Originally posted by sincalfaithful:

Originally posted by verb1der:
I don't like Roman, but you guys are wayyyyy too hard on him. just think about the list of highly reputable defensive coordinators he's outcoached in the post-season.

Anyone who thinks we won't miss a step, be careful!

Ah yes Greg Roman got the best of Mike Nolan congrats to Greg

if you listen to packers fans, their d coordinator is horrid

Originally posted by cciowa:

Originally posted by sincalfaithful:

Originally posted by verb1der:

I don't like Roman, but you guys are wayyyyy too hard on him. just think about the list of highly reputable defensive coordinators he's outcoached in the post-season.

Anyone who thinks we won't miss a step, be careful!

Ah yes Greg Roman got the best of Mike Nolan congrats to Greg

if you listen to packers fans, their d coordinator is horrid

Roman called the same s**tty plays, Kaep had to take over the game himself

Originally posted by thl408:

Originally posted by verb1der:

Originally posted by sincalfaithful:

Originally posted by verb1der:

Originally posted by sincalfaithful:
Frank Gore had 147 targets combined in 2009 and 10 in the last 2 seasons before Harbaugh/roman

From 2011-14 (plus playoffs) he had 135 total targets

What's wrong with these stats? It's what happens when a player gets old.

So Frank could have the 2nd and 3rd most carries in his career at what you call an old age but he lost the ability to catch the ball?

#VerbWisdom

If stats are the only thing you rely on when trying to figure out the reason for Gore's decline then you'll never really understand why.

Gore has always been our bell cow, and even before Harbaugh it was common knowledge that we over use Gore. So why put more mileage on his legs by throwing him passes?!

I never thought about that angle, preserving Gore. But whats another 3-4 touches a game? That's all it takes to consider a RB a part of the passing game. 3-4 catches a game on average.

That AND if you want to preserve Gore you don't coach him up to immediately start BLOCKING downfield for CK every time CK pulled down and design AR plays where Gore is one of those blockers as well.

Or igina lly posted by sincalfaithful:

Originally posted by thl408:

Originally posted by verb1der:

Originally posted by sincalfaithful:

Originally posted by verb1der:

Originally posted by sincalfaithful:
Frank Gore had 147 targets combined in 2009 and 10 in the last 2 seasons before Harbaugh/roman

From 2011-14 (plus playoffs) he had 135 total targets

What's wrong with these stats? It's what happens when a player gets old.

So Frank could have the 2nd and 3rd most carries in his career at what you call an old age but he lost the ability to catch the ball?

#VerbWisdom

If stats are the only thing you rely on when trying to figure out the reason for Gore's decline then you'll never really understand why.

Gore has always been our bell cow, and even before Harbaugh it was common knowledge that we over use Gore. So why put more mileage on his legs by throwing him passes?!

I never thought about that angle, preserving Gore. But whats another 3-4 touches a game? That's all it takes to consider a RB a part of the passing game. 3-4 catches a game on average.

They couldve taken the handful of runs to nowhere on 1st down and tried something more modern like throw gore a handful of passes so we werent stuck in 2nd &10 all the time

I wish we were stuck in 2nd in 10! We AVERAGED 2nd and 12 two-thirds of the time. Averaged. Averaged I said. Lol

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by cciowa:

Originally posted by sincalfaithful:

Originally posted by verb1der:
I don't like Roman, but you guys are wayyyyy too hard on him. just think about the list of highly reputable defensive coordinators he's outcoached in the post-season.

Anyone who thinks we won't miss a step, be careful!

Ah yes Greg Roman got the best of Mike Nolan congrats to Greg

if you listen to packers fans, their d coordinator is horrid

Roman called the same s**tty plays, Kaep had to take over the game himself

he and gore had to call plays in the huddle to plays that actually worked.. i would like to think this year ck does not have to worry about changing plays in the huddle, and can go out there, have fun and play the game

Originally posted by NCommand:
I wish we were stuck in 2nd in 10! We AVERAGED 2nd and 12 two-thirds of the time. Averaged. Averaged I said. Lol

it was the injuries

Originally posted by NCommand:
I wish we were stuck in 2nd in 10! We AVERAGED 2nd and 12 two-thirds of the time. Averaged. Averaged I said. Lol

This is a very damning statement. WTF OC runs an NFL offense like this? This is amateur hour ish right here!

Originally posted by cciowa:
it was the injuries

LOL!

Originally posted by Pillbusta:

Originally posted by NCommand:

I wish we were stuck in 2nd in 10! We AVERAGED 2nd and 12 two-thirds of the time. Averaged. Averaged I said. Lol

This is a very damning statement. WTF OC runs an NFL offense like this? This is amateur hour ish right here!

That is an incorrect stat and we discused this in the NYG film thread. It's half cherry picked.

Originally posted by thl408:

Originally posted by Pillbusta:

Originally posted by NCommand:
I wish we were stuck in 2nd in 10! We AVERAGED 2nd and 12 two-thirds of the time. Averaged. Averaged I said. Lol

This is a very damning statement. WTF OC runs an NFL offense like this? This is amateur hour ish right here!

That is an incorrect stat and we discused this in the NYG film thread. It's half cherry picked.

It shouldn't be. I kept weekly tabs on it through the year and posted here for everyone. I may have missed the NYG film thread and the counter?

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by thl408:

Originally posted by Pillbusta:

Originally posted by NCommand:
I wish we were stuck in 2nd in 10! We AVERAGED 2nd and 12 two-thirds of the time. Averaged. Averaged I said. Lol

This is a very damning statement. WTF OC runs an NFL offense like this? This is amateur hour ish right here!

That is an incorrect stat and we discused this in the NYG film thread. It's half cherry picked.

It shouldn't be. I kept weekly tabs on it through the year and posted here for everyone. I may have missed the NYG film thread and the counter?

Let's just take the first game of the season and see what the 49ers faced on 2nd downs. This is omitting plays on 1st down where the 49ers netted more than 10 yards. Meaning they moved the chains on 1st down. My source is ESPN Play by play page. I'll bold the ones that help to favor your stat.
@DAL
2nd & 3
2nd & 8
2nd & 7
2nd & 11
2nd & 10
2nd & 9
2nd & 4
2nd & 10
2nd & 4
2nd & 6
2nd & 10
2nd & 3
2nd & 10
2nd & 12
2nd & 4
2nd & 6
2nd & 6
2nd & 11 (due to QB kneeldown, but let's count it)

That's an average of 2nd and 7.4. I know that's not the stat you claim though. Still, I might be cherry picking games, so let's take the crappiest offensive game of the season. In the vs SEA game, the 49ers netted 164 yards. Surely this game should swing the stat towards your claim that "We AVERAGED 2nd and 12 two-thirds of the time. Averaged."

vs SEA
2nd & 3
2nd & 10
2nd & 10
2nd & 7
2nd & 8
2nd & 20
2nd & 11
2nd & 12
2nd & 2
2nd & 5
2nd & 5
2nd & 7
2nd & 16
2nd & 10
2nd & 10
2nd & 7
2nd & 10
2nd & 4
2nd & 15

That's an average of 2nd & 9.05.
I know you stated that they averaged 2nd & 12, two-thirds of the time, not that they averaged 2nd & 12. Are you saying they are in 2nd & 12 for 66% of their 2nd downs? That's insanely bad, and not true. Either I don't understand your math, or I don't understand your stat. If that's the stat you stand by, then you gotta dig deep to find some games that swing this towards your favor.

Originally posted by thl408:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by thl408:

Originally posted by Pillbusta:

Originally posted by NCommand:
I wish we were stuck in 2nd in 10! We AVERAGED 2nd and 12 two-thirds of the time. Averaged. Averaged I said. Lol

This is a very damning statement. WTF OC runs an NFL offense like this? This is amateur hour ish right here!

That is an incorrect stat and we discused this in the NYG film thread. It's half cherry picked.

It shouldn't be. I kept weekly tabs on it through the year and posted here for everyone. I may have missed the NYG film thread and the counter?

Let's just take the first game of the season and see what the 49ers faced on 2nd downs. This is omitting plays on 1st down where the 49ers netted more than 10 yards. Meaning they moved the chains on 1st down. My source is ESPN Play by play page. I'll bold the ones that help to favor your stat.
@DAL
2nd & 3
2nd & 8
2nd & 7
2nd & 11
2nd & 10
2nd & 9
2nd & 4
2nd & 10
2nd & 4
2nd & 6
2nd & 10
2nd & 3
2nd & 10
2nd & 12
2nd & 4
2nd & 6
2nd & 6
2nd & 11 (due to QB kneeldown, but let's count it)

That's an average of 2nd and 7.4. I know that's not the stat you claim though. Still, I might be cherry picking games, so let's take the crappiest offensive game of the season. In the vs SEA game, the 49ers netted 164 yards. Surely this game should swing the stat towards your claim that "We AVERAGED 2nd and 12 two-thirds of the time. Averaged."

vs SEA
2nd & 3
2nd & 10
2nd & 10
2nd & 7
2nd & 8
2nd & 20
2nd & 11
2nd & 12
2nd & 2
2nd & 5
2nd & 5
2nd & 7
2nd & 16
2nd & 10
2nd & 10
2nd & 7
2nd & 10
2nd & 4
2nd & 15

That's an average of 2nd & 9.05.
I know you stated that they averaged 2nd & 12, two-thirds of the time, not that they averaged 2nd & 12. Are you saying they are in 2nd & 12 for 66% of their 2nd downs? That's insanely bad, and not true. Either I don't understand your math, or I don't understand your stat. If that's the stat you stand by, then you gotta dig deep to find some games that swing this towards your favor.

Thanks thl. It's a bit late and I'm on my cell so I'll f/u tomorrow on this. Don't want to misguide anyone esp. off my memory (even if it's a bit of a moot point).