49ers Head Coach Kyle Shanahan Thread

This thread is a perfect example of why people call this fanbase Whiners fans.

Originally posted by bassmanr:

Originally posted by MucketyMuck:

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:
Again I ask, what coach would've not banged his head against the goalpost vs Spags? Perfect team couldn't beat him with an inferior talent group to this Chiefs team.

Sometimes the opposition deserves credit. Doesn't mean it's an indictment of the coach, it's a credit to the opposition. Same with Reid dominating Salah at the end of the last SB.

Nah. Watch the video above and understand how Shanny continuously made the wrong calls and forced the ball to the wrong WR. Aiyuk was our best WR and Shanny didn't even give him a chance. He was fourth in targets for the team in the playoffs behind Jennings. In the Superbowl there were 5 players between both teams that had more targets than Aiyuk. This is the biggest game of the year and between Aiyuk and Kittle had very little impact. Hell Marquez Valdes-Scantling had as many targets as Aiyuk.

Give Spags credit for man handling a so called offensive genius but there's more to the story than just Spags.

Agree Kyle's ego is too big for him to make adjustments and he thinks he can out smart his competition. Works a lot in the regular season but not when it really matters against Good coaches. I hope he can change but with O line issues we have I highly doubt it. He just is too stubborn to win it all. Maybe his next team.

Agree. I do think Kyle is his own worst enemy and when the going gets tough, in the most important moments he outcoaches himself. There is no excuse to only target your best WR 6 times. He just over complicated it and forced it to Deebo. There's no excuse to have Kittle and BA make such little impact on the most important stage of his career. KC has one... ONE... legit target and he still got his touches.

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:
He's had the team in 2 SBs .Each was close but in the end Mahomes and Reid made the right calls and plays. I don't look at these losses as Kyle's fault. I think they're more because of Reid and Mahomes. When it came to crunch time they came up big and outplayed the Niners.

Not entirely Kyle's fault that we lost, but It was Kyle who decided to not use the best Rb In the league for almost an entire quarter.

Originally posted by Koldo:
So much for the "great culture".

https://www.49erswebzone.com/articles/179787-49ers-culture-dobbs-jennings-reunion/

When asked to share his thoughts on the team, Jennings offered a glowing assessment: "Everybody just comes to attack the job, to do their best, and dogs fit straight in. I've never seen them sign anyone that doesn't fit our culture."

Dobbs acknowledged that he had other options in free agency. However, the 49ers' culture ultimately drew him in.

"I think that's what I was most excited about; to be around a place that's built up, has gone to the dance, has that consistent culture," Dobbs said. "And I got a chance, obviously, we played you all last season, so I went up against you guys, watched a ton of the film, know of, obviously, the players there.

"But then last week, getting a chance to go out to the complex and just feel that culture, it was exactly what I want to be around. At this stage of my career, you want an opportunity to get to the dance, whatever aspect, whatever role that takes, just to taste it.

Originally posted by RasSuar:

This thread is a perfect example of why people call this fanbase Whiners fans.

100%

Originally posted by Strwy2Hevn:

Originally posted by RasSuar:
This thread is a perfect example of why people call this fanbase Whiners fans.

100%

Yup especially at 3am. I couldn't imagine.

Originally posted by MucketyMuck:

Originally posted by Strwy2Hevn:

Originally posted by RasSuar:

This thread is a perfect example of why people call this fanbase Whiners fans.

100%

Yup especially at 3am. I couldn't imagine.

Originally posted by GoreGoreGore:
When asked to share his thoughts on the team, Jennings offered a glowing assessment: "Everybody just comes to attack the job, to do their best, and dogs fit straight in. I've never seen them sign anyone that doesn't fit our culture."

Dobbs acknowledged that he had other options in free agency. However, the 49ers' culture ultimately drew him in.

"I think that's what I was most excited about; to be around a place that's built up, has gone to the dance, has that consistent culture," Dobbs said. "And I got a chance, obviously, we played you all last season, so I went up against you guys, watched a ton of the film, know of, obviously, the players there.

"But then last week, getting a chance to go out to the complex and just feel that culture, it was exactly what I want to be around. At this stage of my career, you want an opportunity to get to the dance, whatever aspect, whatever role that takes, just to taste it.

Cant prove how great a culture they have until Nick Bosa drives drunk into a tree and the 9ers let him play two day later.

Originally posted by MucketyMuck:

Originally posted by bassmanr:

Originally posted by MucketyMuck:

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:
Again I ask, what coach would've not banged his head against the goalpost vs Spags? Perfect team couldn't beat him with an inferior talent group to this Chiefs team.

Sometimes the opposition deserves credit. Doesn't mean it's an indictment of the coach, it's a credit to the opposition. Same with Reid dominating Salah at the end of the last SB.

Nah. Watch the video above and understand how Shanny continuously made the wrong calls and forced the ball to the wrong WR. Aiyuk was our best WR and Shanny didn't even give him a chance. He was fourth in targets for the team in the playoffs behind Jennings. In the Superbowl there were 5 players between both teams that had more targets than Aiyuk. This is the biggest game of the year and between Aiyuk and Kittle had very little impact. Hell Marquez Valdes-Scantling had as many targets as Aiyuk.

Give Spags credit for man handling a so called offensive genius but there's more to the story than just Spags.

Agree Kyle's ego is too big for him to make adjustments and he thinks he can out smart his competition. Works a lot in the regular season but not when it really matters against Good coaches. I hope he can change but with O line issues we have I highly doubt it. He just is too stubborn to win it all. Maybe his next team.

Agree. I do think Kyle is his own worst enemy and when the going gets tough, in the most important moments he outcoaches himself. There is no excuse to only target your best WR 6 times. He just over complicated it and forced it to Deebo. There's no excuse to have Kittle and BA make such little impact on the most important stage of his career. KC has one... ONE... legit target and he still got his touches.

he only got touches after Dre went down. Until then, he was a non-factor. Kittle was nursing a turf toe and wasn't his usual self. It's really funny to read all these expert offensive game planners on here. You guys sure do know how to break down a defense. I am curious where you learned all this stuff. Your play designs must be top notch to understand how to beat a Superbowl caliber defense. It's an honor to be here to learn from you all.

Originally posted by eastie:

Originally posted by MucketyMuck:

Originally posted by bassmanr:

Originally posted by MucketyMuck:

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:
Again I ask, what coach would've not banged his head against the goalpost vs Spags? Perfect team couldn't beat him with an inferior talent group to this Chiefs team.

Sometimes the opposition deserves credit. Doesn't mean it's an indictment of the coach, it's a credit to the opposition. Same with Reid dominating Salah at the end of the last SB.

Nah. Watch the video above and understand how Shanny continuously made the wrong calls and forced the ball to the wrong WR. Aiyuk was our best WR and Shanny didn't even give him a chance. He was fourth in targets for the team in the playoffs behind Jennings. In the Superbowl there were 5 players between both teams that had more targets than Aiyuk. This is the biggest game of the year and between Aiyuk and Kittle had very little impact. Hell Marquez Valdes-Scantling had as many targets as Aiyuk.

Give Spags credit for man handling a so called offensive genius but there's more to the story than just Spags.

Agree Kyle's ego is too big for him to make adjustments and he thinks he can out smart his competition. Works a lot in the regular season but not when it really matters against Good coaches. I hope he can change but with O line issues we have I highly doubt it. He just is too stubborn to win it all. Maybe his next team.

Agree. I do think Kyle is his own worst enemy and when the going gets tough, in the most important moments he outcoaches himself. There is no excuse to only target your best WR 6 times. He just over complicated it and forced it to Deebo. There's no excuse to have Kittle and BA make such little impact on the most important stage of his career. KC has one... ONE... legit target and he still got his touches.

he only got touches after Dre went down. Until then, he was a non-factor. Kittle was nursing a turf toe and wasn't his usual self. It's really funny to read all these expert offensive game planners on here. You guys sure do know how to break down a defense. I am curious where you learned all this stuff. Your play designs must be top notch to understand how to beat a Superbowl caliber defense. It's an honor to be here to learn from you all.

To be fair...I have as many SB wins as Shanny.does


Edit: and we were sharing a video earlier today that pointed out the mistakes and breakdowns. You should watch it. Tell me what you think was wrong in that video.

Originally posted by eastie:

Originally posted by ninerfaninnorcal:
Yes, it's unfortunate we have no one to replace him with. He comes up short way too often.

31 Head coaches come up short every season. Back to back Super Bowl winners are a very rare occurrence. That means 'coming up short' is an annual event for many. We are in that rare air when this team is one of the few that is still playing when nearly all the other teams have packed up and gone home for the season. This will be the first season that Brock has an entire off season to work on his game and not be rehabbing from injuries. Can't wait to see what transpires.

This is loser mentality though.

I was fine with this notion in 2011, maybe even 12; not 13, 19, 21, 22 and 23.

That's the stench of a team that can't finish. Not once.

Originally posted by NinerPrideinNJ:

Originally posted by eastie:

Originally posted by ninerfaninnorcal:
Yes, it's unfortunate we have no one to replace him with. He comes up short way too often.

31 Head coaches come up short every season. Back to back Super Bowl winners are a very rare occurrence. That means 'coming up short' is an annual event for many. We are in that rare air when this team is one of the few that is still playing when nearly all the other teams have packed up and gone home for the season. This will be the first season that Brock has an entire off season to work on his game and not be rehabbing from injuries. Can't wait to see what transpires.

This is loser mentality though.

I was fine with this notion in 2011, maybe even 12; not 13, 19, 21, 22 and 23.

That's the stench of a team that can't finish. Not once.

Loser mentality is when you get rid of one of the very best coaches in the NFL and replace him with someone else and expect the situation to improve not deteriorate.

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:
He's right though, you are cherry-picking opinion that agrees with yours (and mine before you forget again). One expert says it should be this way, another expert says it should be the other. The analytical community shows a 50/50 split in the numbers and informal polling showed the same among a sample of people working the job for various teams. There are plusses and minuses with either decision, and again that's not factoring the actual game situation (like our defense having just been on the field).

All this complaining about giving KC information and an extra down, but the actual play didn't put them in any real situation where either mattered. The only spot was the 4th and 1 and I think it's pretty safe to assume they are going in that spot on possession 1 anyway (especially if you buy they were willing to go for a win or lose 2pt conversion on a 2nd drive).

This is not entirely correct. It did matter considering we kicked a FG. Obviously, if we go 2nd, we don't kick a field goal, knowing they scored a TD. So we would have an extra down with the O on the field, if the decision was different.

I know I haven't been here for a few days so you're likely moved on from this...then again it's the same talking point since the game ended 2 months ago so maybe not.

Difference is you're using hindsight and hypothetical scenarios. Kyle had to make a decision based on facts and the flow of that game. The flow of that game didn't show Mahomes getting long TD drives. It showed a Mahomes who at best would get his team a FG. That's why the move to kick the FG on that drive, that's why the decision to take the ball first made sense logically.

The reason to take it 2nd is simply - you know what you have to match or exceed. That's it. And on its own it's a great advantage to have but you're also giving the KC D time to rest. They were their best unit so smart move is to play them when they're not as fresh. Given how that game went the more logical move was to give KC's offense the advantage vs their defense.

Obviously it didn't work out properly but the decision makes sense in the moment. Pretending it was wrong after the fact is lazy.

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
This is not entirely correct. It did matter considering we kicked a FG. Obviously, if we go 2nd, we don't kick a field goal, knowing they scored a TD. So we would have an extra down with the O on the field, if the decision was different.

Kind of beside the point unless you think being forced into a have to have it conversion on 4th and 4 is a favorable position (It isn't). Had we kicked a fg on 4th and 2, I'd be agreeing with you.

The bottom line remains the same regardless of the order: you have to get a stop and outscore the opponent either by fg or td. KC did this and we didn't.

4th and 20 would be preferable to kicking a FG when you need 6, is more how I would look at it. Favorable is relative, this to that. We know the FG was doomed and not sufficient.

Once again the play on 3rd down was a good play call, it was a designed TD had our backup RG, called upon to play due to injury to Feliciano, done his job.

You're using hindsight knowing the Chiefs scored a TD on their drive to win the game to claim Shanahan should've gone for it. Shanahan just watched a play designed to be a TD ruined because a guy did his own thing. You want him to dial up ANOTHER play against a great defense after seeing us fail on several key 3rd downs at the end of that game due to player execution and risk giving Mahomes a FG to win the SB?

For the 1000th time...this was not the MVP Mahomes out there. This was a mid level KC offense even in the playoffs who was having trouble scoring TDs when not gifted short drives due to stupid turnovers. You know the FG was doomed and not sufficient NOW. When the decision to go for the FG and take the lead in OT was made it was the right decision. Now if the offense was simply stopped by KC on those 3 attempts in the redzone due to them just beating our guys then ok...dial up the play you think can work and go for it. But to have the right play called vs that great D and still blow it? That's not telling me as a HC forget taking the lead and go for it.

You need to accept the fact that logic Kyle used was sound and stop bringing in the known result to change that. I'm sure if someone told Kyle exactly how it would play out he would've gone for it on 4th down. Unfortunately his time machine analytics department wasn't functioning correctly that day.