49ers Head Coach Kyle Shanahan Thread

Originally posted by DrEll:
We can argue overtime decisions all we want, but the game shouldn't even gotten there. On our last possession in regulation when we were in KC territory, the tracker had us at 96% chance of winning. Knowing who you're facing on the other side, the game plan should have been to ensure no time was left for Mahomes to make a plan. The same Mahomes that basically tied the game vs Buffalo in 20 seconds IIRC. The entire scheme should have been tailored to force KC to use its TOs and kick a potential GW FG. It was poor management giving Mahomes the ball back not only to drive to score but potentially win it.

How Kyle doesn't get blamed for this is beyond me. Blame the oline. Blame the receivers. Blame the QB. Whatever. Kyle should have known what KC was going to do defensively. Boy genius should have countered with quick reads or screens or whatever to make it easy. Instead he used the same stale playbook, and that in essence cost us the game.

Everyone sees it, except his fan base.

Your posts are just filled with junk, it's amazing.

No it was not the same Mahomes who tied the game vs Buffalo...because that Mahomes was on the 2021 Chiefs roster, an offense that was 4th in the NFL in scoring. This Mahomes was on the 2023 Chiefs roster, an offense that was 15th in the NFL in scoring.

Again, the play on 3rd down after the 2 minute warning was perfect for what KC did. Unfortunately Brock who is only in his 2nd season didn't read it right and threw the ball to JJ with the 1 on 1 on the outside vs going to Aiyuk whose man left his spot to come in on the blitz. It was the right play and one if Brock throws to Aiyuk gets us the 1st down where we can run the clock out and kick the game winning FG.

That's a quick read btw...something you claim Kyle didn't do and had he done that would've saved the day and won the SB. It's pretty clear you don't know what you're actually watching save who throws the ball, who catches the ball and who runs the ball so maybe don't run in here acting like you know more than Shanahan when time after time your posts are riddled with ignorance and inaccuracies.

Originally posted by MucketyMuck:

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:
Again I ask, what coach would've not banged his head against the goalpost vs Spags? Perfect team couldn't beat him with an inferior talent group to this Chiefs team.

Sometimes the opposition deserves credit. Doesn't mean it's an indictment of the coach, it's a credit to the opposition. Same with Reid dominating Salah at the end of the last SB.

Nah. Watch the video above and understand how Shanny continuously made the wrong calls and forced the ball to the wrong WR. Aiyuk was our best WR and Shanny didn't even give him a chance. He was fourth in targets for the team in the playoffs behind Jennings. In the Superbowl there were 5 players between both teams that had more targets than Aiyuk. This is the biggest game of the year and between Aiyuk and Kittle had very little impact. Hell Marquez Valdes-Scantling had as many targets as Aiyuk.

Give Spags credit for man handling a so called offensive genius but there's more to the story than just Spags.

Stop being dramatic. That is the main issue I had with Shanahan in the game but it was also after the 49ers offense under Kyle and Purdy were shredding them and forced them to change from their actual game plan. That's a good thing for Kyle not a bad thing.

Yes once KC went heavy man, Kyle should've been quicker to feature Aiyuk who is a better WR in that situation but there were still plenty of opportunities in the game for us to win and players did not execute properly. You can't say Kyle blew the game or CONTINOUSLY made the wrong calls when we saw several big plays wiped away due to failures in blocking.

Originally posted by Sickaa:

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:
He's had the team in 2 SBs .Each was close but in the end Mahomes and Reid made the right calls and plays. I don't look at these losses as Kyle's fault. I think they're more because of Reid and Mahomes. When it came to crunch time they came up big and outplayed the Niners.

Not entirely Kyle's fault that we lost, but It was Kyle who decided to not use the best Rb In the league for almost an entire quarter.

God not this again...it's like the same sh*t over and over again.

We had 3 drives in a row go 3 and out. That's only 9 plays to choose from.

First drive, post KC turnover.
1st down - throw attempt to Kittle which was open. Poor blocking creates the throw away
2nd down - run play called, Banks false starts, making it 2nd and 15, this is a pass down/distance situation now - incomplete pass
3rd and 15 - obvious pass down, Purdy scrambles and we punt.

Second drive
1st down - another pressure in Brock's face situation, should've thrown it away instead he throws to Jennings who takes a huge 8 yard loss on the play
2nd and 18 - pass down/distance situation, throw to CMC for 7 yards
3rd and 11 - obvious pass down, incomplete to Kittle

Third drive
1st down - run by CMC for 0 yards as Trent Williams gets put on his ass by a PS player
2nd and 3rd downs incomplete with DBs all over Aiyuk and then Deebo.

So the only real gripes you could have about Kyle not using CMC would be on the 1st downs on the first 2 drives and given how the 3rd drive started maybe it wasn't going to be that much better than the result we saw.

Either way Kyle didn't forget CMC, just didn't have a lot of opportunities to hand him the ball. It was about as team loss as you can get, which is why it's so frustrating and so stupid to blame Kyle for these things without really digging into why he made his decisions and evaluating them properly and not after the fact when you know the outcome.

Because at the time...I was just like you screaming for us to run the ball. But having gone back and looking at the plays in detail it was just a bad situation where our players didn't help at all. Have to wonder how things turn out if Banks doesn't false start on that 2nd down on the first drive. Feels like had we gotten any positive yards on that play we may have gone for the FG.

But that's what happens sometimes...

Originally posted by eastie:

Originally posted by MucketyMuck:

Originally posted by bassmanr:

Originally posted by MucketyMuck:

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:
Again I ask, what coach would've not banged his head against the goalpost vs Spags? Perfect team couldn't beat him with an inferior talent group to this Chiefs team.

Sometimes the opposition deserves credit. Doesn't mean it's an indictment of the coach, it's a credit to the opposition. Same with Reid dominating Salah at the end of the last SB.

Nah. Watch the video above and understand how Shanny continuously made the wrong calls and forced the ball to the wrong WR. Aiyuk was our best WR and Shanny didn't even give him a chance. He was fourth in targets for the team in the playoffs behind Jennings. In the Superbowl there were 5 players between both teams that had more targets than Aiyuk. This is the biggest game of the year and between Aiyuk and Kittle had very little impact. Hell Marquez Valdes-Scantling had as many targets as Aiyuk.

Give Spags credit for man handling a so called offensive genius but there's more to the story than just Spags.

Agree Kyle's ego is too big for him to make adjustments and he thinks he can out smart his competition. Works a lot in the regular season but not when it really matters against Good coaches. I hope he can change but with O line issues we have I highly doubt it. He just is too stubborn to win it all. Maybe his next team.

Agree. I do think Kyle is his own worst enemy and when the going gets tough, in the most important moments he outcoaches himself. There is no excuse to only target your best WR 6 times. He just over complicated it and forced it to Deebo. There's no excuse to have Kittle and BA make such little impact on the most important stage of his career. KC has one... ONE... legit target and he still got his touches.

he only got touches after Dre went down. Until then, he was a non-factor. Kittle was nursing a turf toe and wasn't his usual self. It's really funny to read all these expert offensive game planners on here. You guys sure do know how to break down a defense. I am curious where you learned all this stuff. Your play designs must be top notch to understand how to beat a Superbowl caliber defense. It's an honor to be here to learn from you all.

Kittle also had a hernia or some kind of other issue. On the play that got wiped away from Trent Williams' holding call(another thing that was ridiculous how they call that on Trent but not the KC players but that's another story all together) Kittle was simply not running like himself. Looked super slow so that could've also led to why he wasn't heavily featured in the game. Healthy Kittle gets a good 20+ yards out of that play. He was lucky to pick up the first down...which got overturned due to the bogus penalty.

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by MucketyMuck:

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:
Again I ask, what coach would've not banged his head against the goalpost vs Spags? Perfect team couldn't beat him with an inferior talent group to this Chiefs team.

Sometimes the opposition deserves credit. Doesn't mean it's an indictment of the coach, it's a credit to the opposition. Same with Reid dominating Salah at the end of the last SB.

Nah. Watch the video above and understand how Shanny continuously made the wrong calls and forced the ball to the wrong WR. Aiyuk was our best WR and Shanny didn't even give him a chance. He was fourth in targets for the team in the playoffs behind Jennings. In the Superbowl there were 5 players between both teams that had more targets than Aiyuk. This is the biggest game of the year and between Aiyuk and Kittle had very little impact. Hell Marquez Valdes-Scantling had as many targets as Aiyuk.

Give Spags credit for man handling a so called offensive genius but there's more to the story than just Spags.

Stop being dramatic. That is the main issue I had with Shanahan in the game but it was also after the 49ers offense under Kyle and Purdy were shredding them and forced them to change from their actual game plan. That's a good thing for Kyle not a bad thing.

Yes once KC went heavy man, Kyle should've been quicker to feature Aiyuk who is a better WR in that situation but there were still plenty of opportunities in the game for us to win and players did not execute properly. You can't say Kyle blew the game or CONTINOUSLY made the wrong calls when we saw several big plays wiped away due to failures in blocking.

People tend to forget that fumbles also handed the Chiefs opportunities to win and IMO what I think was the biggest blow to the 49ers was Dre Greenlaw getting injured. Oren Burks looked like a stick figure on the field in coverage.

Originally posted by MucketyMuck:
To be fair...I have as many SB wins as Shanny.does


Edit: and we were sharing a video earlier today that pointed out the mistakes and breakdowns. You should watch it. Tell me what you think was wrong in that video.

The video was correct in that Aiyuk should've been the featured guy once KC adjusted to more man. The issue is the video is also over the top and uses clips from all over the game trying to make a point when some of the plays on display weren't post those adjustments - like the brilliant McDuffie coverage on what likely is a TD vs most other corners.

That's what makes it hard to take seriously. People make over the top videos, hell dude even argues against his own point during the video at times, all to push the "Kyle blew it" narrative.

As I said above with all that in mind the game was right there for the taking for the 49ers. Dude even brings up the big 3rd down play after the 2 minute warning and blames it on Shanahan when the play was designed to go to Aiyuk in that situation. That was a misread by Purdy which will happen for a young QB no matter how good he is. Mahomes made those mistakes early in his career as well.

So yes, Kyle was at fault in some ways and the video does hit on them but in other ways the video is also hard to take seriously when the guy shows things that argue against points he makes earlier in the same video.

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by MucketyMuck:
To be fair...I have as many SB wins as Shanny.does


Edit: and we were sharing a video earlier today that pointed out the mistakes and breakdowns. You should watch it. Tell me what you think was wrong in that video.

The video was correct in that Aiyuk should've been the featured guy once KC adjusted to more man. The issue is the video is also over the top and uses clips from all over the game trying to make a point when some of the plays on display weren't post those adjustments - like the brilliant McDuffie coverage on what likely is a TD vs most other corners.

That's what makes it hard to take seriously. People make over the top videos, hell dude even argues against his own point during the video at times, all to push the "Kyle blew it" narrative.

As I said above with all that in mind the game was right there for the taking for the 49ers. Dude even brings up the big 3rd down play after the 2 minute warning and blames it on Shanahan when the play was designed to go to Aiyuk in that situation. That was a misread by Purdy which will happen for a young QB no matter how good he is. Mahomes made those mistakes early in his career as well.

So yes, Kyle was at fault in some ways and the video does hit on them but in other ways the video is also hard to take seriously when the guy shows things that argue against points he makes earlier in the same video.

Just say what I've been saying. Kyle has his issues and most don't deny that, but he should not be fired at this time. Otherwise vent on and let it all out lol

Originally posted by Cisco0623:

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by MucketyMuck:
To be fair...I have as many SB wins as Shanny.does


Edit: and we were sharing a video earlier today that pointed out the mistakes and breakdowns. You should watch it. Tell me what you think was wrong in that video.

The video was correct in that Aiyuk should've been the featured guy once KC adjusted to more man. The issue is the video is also over the top and uses clips from all over the game trying to make a point when some of the plays on display weren't post those adjustments - like the brilliant McDuffie coverage on what likely is a TD vs most other corners.

That's what makes it hard to take seriously. People make over the top videos, hell dude even argues against his own point during the video at times, all to push the "Kyle blew it" narrative.

As I said above with all that in mind the game was right there for the taking for the 49ers. Dude even brings up the big 3rd down play after the 2 minute warning and blames it on Shanahan when the play was designed to go to Aiyuk in that situation. That was a misread by Purdy which will happen for a young QB no matter how good he is. Mahomes made those mistakes early in his career as well.

So yes, Kyle was at fault in some ways and the video does hit on them but in other ways the video is also hard to take seriously when the guy shows things that argue against points he makes earlier in the same video.

Just say what I've been saying. Kyle has his issues and most don't deny that, but he should not be fired at this time. Otherwise vent on and let it all out lol

Funny thing about that video, I went back to watch it as a refreshed since I know I watched it before and listening to the end part of it was just kind of hilarious how much the dude talked against his own "Kyle f'd up" narrative.

Dude talks about how amazing Chris Jones was, how Kyle actually dialed up some great plays but when those happened Jones wrecked them, how McDuffie was terrific in his disguises and his coverage. How the 3rd and 5(even though he calls it a 3rd and 4 play while staring at film showing we had the ball 5 yards away from the marker) it could've easily been on Purdy for not reading the play right...but "it was on Shanahan for not preparing him right" and how the 49ers blew the game on that play if thankfully we didn't get OT.

As if that drive didn't end with the 49ers having the lead...

It's just hard to take the guy seriously when the narrative is so heavy handed despite the inaccuracies and the guy himself talking against his own points in the same video.

Guess what - the Chiefs defense is pretty damn good. Even Aiyuk was getting clamped down at times. Nothing guaranteed if we flip the gameplan when KC goes heavy man to Aiyuk being the focal point that we automatically win...but if we executed our plays properly when they were drawn up well vs what KC was doing, if we didn't have two brutal turnovers and if Greenlaw or Feliciano didn't get hurt we're likely defending SB Champs heading into this season and this thread is VERY different right now.

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by MucketyMuck:

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:
Again I ask, what coach would've not banged his head against the goalpost vs Spags? Perfect team couldn't beat him with an inferior talent group to this Chiefs team.

Sometimes the opposition deserves credit. Doesn't mean it's an indictment of the coach, it's a credit to the opposition. Same with Reid dominating Salah at the end of the last SB.

Nah. Watch the video above and understand how Shanny continuously made the wrong calls and forced the ball to the wrong WR. Aiyuk was our best WR and Shanny didn't even give him a chance. He was fourth in targets for the team in the playoffs behind Jennings. In the Superbowl there were 5 players between both teams that had more targets than Aiyuk. This is the biggest game of the year and between Aiyuk and Kittle had very little impact. Hell Marquez Valdes-Scantling had as many targets as Aiyuk.

Give Spags credit for man handling a so called offensive genius but there's more to the story than just Spags.

Stop being dramatic. That is the main issue I had with Shanahan in the game but it was also after the 49ers offense under Kyle and Purdy were shredding them and forced them to change from their actual game plan. That's a good thing for Kyle not a bad thing.

Yes once KC went heavy man, Kyle should've been quicker to feature Aiyuk who is a better WR in that situation but there were still plenty of opportunities in the game for us to win and players did not execute properly. You can't say Kyle blew the game or CONTINOUSLY made the wrong calls when we saw several big plays wiped away due to failures in blocking.

Again execution is part of coaching. You all disagree and don't seem to understand the role of a HC(sorry but it's common sense)but having the team prepared and focused is on the coach too. Not completely on the HC obviously, but when it continually happens in SBs and these mistakes have cost him 3 winnable SBs now that is on coaching. Again you all disagree but you're wrong. The one constant has been Shanny. Not all Shannys fault but as guilty as any plater or personnel..

You all act like it's just one area but we've discussed a multitude of mistakes that collectively hurt the team. It countless mistakes that we have continuously brought up and in making the case that collectively it's too many f* ups. I'm not saying fire the guy, he is one of the better coaches in the league, no doubt but he is also one of the most flawed. It's not just one area or him not getting BA the ball, that is just one little mistake of many. This a not a new trait, it's been his coaching career dating back to the 25 point choke job in Atlanta. With his genius there's no way they should've lost that second half lead, but he literally out coached himself. I specifically remember watching the game thinking that he seemed to be the exact opposite of what he should've been doing. Running the ball. Keeping the pall out of Brady's hands... Just like when we had the ball at our own 44 and we passed. We have the most explosive player in the NFL and we pass, and pass, and pass.

Lol kinda weird how some ppl take this much time to defend Kyle, like he needs rescuing or something lolol or just argue back n forth forever. I have had my quibbles but damn lol

Are ppl gunna argue until pre-season? Lol

Originally posted by MucketyMuck:

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by MucketyMuck:

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:
Again I ask, what coach would've not banged his head against the goalpost vs Spags? Perfect team couldn't beat him with an inferior talent group to this Chiefs team.

Sometimes the opposition deserves credit. Doesn't mean it's an indictment of the coach, it's a credit to the opposition. Same with Reid dominating Salah at the end of the last SB.

Nah. Watch the video above and understand how Shanny continuously made the wrong calls and forced the ball to the wrong WR. Aiyuk was our best WR and Shanny didn't even give him a chance. He was fourth in targets for the team in the playoffs behind Jennings. In the Superbowl there were 5 players between both teams that had more targets than Aiyuk. This is the biggest game of the year and between Aiyuk and Kittle had very little impact. Hell Marquez Valdes-Scantling had as many targets as Aiyuk.

Give Spags credit for man handling a so called offensive genius but there's more to the story than just Spags.

Stop being dramatic. That is the main issue I had with Shanahan in the game but it was also after the 49ers offense under Kyle and Purdy were shredding them and forced them to change from their actual game plan. That's a good thing for Kyle not a bad thing.

Yes once KC went heavy man, Kyle should've been quicker to feature Aiyuk who is a better WR in that situation but there were still plenty of opportunities in the game for us to win and players did not execute properly. You can't say Kyle blew the game or CONTINOUSLY made the wrong calls when we saw several big plays wiped away due to failures in blocking.

Again execution is part of coaching. You all disagree and don't seem to understand the role of a HC(sorry but it's common sense)but having the team prepared and focused is on the coach too. Not completely on the HC obviously, but when it continually happens in SBs and these mistakes have cost him 3 winnable SBs now that is on coaching. Again you all disagree but you're wrong. The one constant has been Shanny. Not all Shannys fault but as guilty as any plater or personnel..

You all act like it's just one area but we've discussed a multitude of mistakes that collectively hurt the team. It countless mistakes that we have continuously brought up and in making the case that collectively it's too many f* ups. I'm not saying fire the guy, he is one of the better coaches in the league, no doubt but he is also one of the most flawed. It's not just one area or him not getting BA the ball, that is just one little mistake of many. This a not a new trait, it's been his coaching career dating back to the 25 point choke job in Atlanta. With his genius there's no way they should've lost that second half lead, but he literally out coached himself. I specifically remember thinking back then he seemed to be the direct opposite of what he should've been doing. Running the ball. Just like when we had the ball at our own 44 and we passed. We have the most explosive player in the NFL and we pass, and pass, and pass.

The bolded is correct, the one constant in our recent SB and NFCCG appearances is shanny. Glad to have him. Didn't read the rest…. Looks like reposted material from five years ago

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by Cisco0623:

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by MucketyMuck:
To be fair...I have as many SB wins as Shanny.does


Edit: and we were sharing a video earlier today that pointed out the mistakes and breakdowns. You should watch it. Tell me what you think was wrong in that video.

The video was correct in that Aiyuk should've been the featured guy once KC adjusted to more man. The issue is the video is also over the top and uses clips from all over the game trying to make a point when some of the plays on display weren't post those adjustments - like the brilliant McDuffie coverage on what likely is a TD vs most other corners.

That's what makes it hard to take seriously. People make over the top videos, hell dude even argues against his own point during the video at times, all to push the "Kyle blew it" narrative.

As I said above with all that in mind the game was right there for the taking for the 49ers. Dude even brings up the big 3rd down play after the 2 minute warning and blames it on Shanahan when the play was designed to go to Aiyuk in that situation. That was a misread by Purdy which will happen for a young QB no matter how good he is. Mahomes made those mistakes early in his career as well.

So yes, Kyle was at fault in some ways and the video does hit on them but in other ways the video is also hard to take seriously when the guy shows things that argue against points he makes earlier in the same video.

Just say what I've been saying. Kyle has his issues and most don't deny that, but he should not be fired at this time. Otherwise vent on and let it all out lol

Funny thing about that video, I went back to watch it as a refreshed since I know I watched it before and listening to the end part of it was just kind of hilarious how much the dude talked against his own "Kyle f'd up" narrative.

Dude talks about how amazing Chris Jones was, how Kyle actually dialed up some great plays but when those happened Jones wrecked them, how McDuffie was terrific in his disguises and his coverage. How the 3rd and 5(even though he calls it a 3rd and 4 play while staring at film showing we had the ball 5 yards away from the marker) it could've easily been on Purdy for not reading the play right...but "it was on Shanahan for not preparing him right" and how the 49ers blew the game on that play if thankfully we didn't get OT.

As if that drive didn't end with the 49ers having the lead...

It's just hard to take the guy seriously when the narrative is so heavy handed despite the inaccuracies and the guy himself talking against his own points in the same video.

Guess what - the Chiefs defense is pretty damn good. Even Aiyuk was getting clamped down at times. Nothing guaranteed if we flip the gameplan when KC goes heavy man to Aiyuk being the focal point that we automatically win...but if we executed our plays properly when they were drawn up well vs what KC was doing, if we didn't have two brutal turnovers and if Greenlaw or Feliciano didn't get hurt we're likely defending SB Champs heading into this season and this thread is VERY different right now.

Seems to me that you're saying Reid has his main guys ready to play and dominate while Shanny has our guys fumbling, committing stupid penalties, not taking advantage of mistakes and missing critical plays.

Everything you brought up seems to be Shanny being out coached to me. You guys just disagree that a coach has any other responsibilities than call plays.

Originally posted by MucketyMuck:

Seems to me that you're saying Reid has his main guys ready to play and dominate while Shanny has our guys fumbling, committing stupid penalties, not taking advantage of mistakes and missing critical plays.

Everything you brought up seems to be Shanny being out coached to me. You guys just disagree that a coach has any other responsibilities than call plays.

Chiefs had like 6 or 7 fumbles. We just didn't recover the majority of them. So were they that ready to play?

Patrick Mahomes greatness overcomes a lot of flaws.

Originally posted by Montana:
Lol kinda weird how some ppl take this much time to defend Kyle, like he needs rescuing or something lolol or just argue back n forth forever. I have had my quibbles but damn lol

Are ppl gunna argue until pre-season? Lol

Just as weird as people looking to blame him for everything while knowing fully well their opinion won't get him fired any time soon.

And while I can't speak for everyone else, I personally hate ignorant evaluations which use nothing but hindsight and ignore obvious logic. I haven't seen many in here which criticize Kyle without doing that.

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by Montana:

Lol kinda weird how some ppl take this much time to defend Kyle, like he needs rescuing or something lolol or just argue back n forth forever. I have had my quibbles but damn lol

Are ppl gunna argue until pre-season? Lol

Just as weird as people looking to blame him for everything while knowing fully well their opinion won't get him fired any time soon.

And while I can't speak for everyone else, I personally hate ignorant evaluations which use nothing but hindsight and ignore obvious logic. I haven't seen many in here which criticize Kyle without doing that.

This threads been comedic gold since SB.