49ers Head Coach Kyle Shanahan Thread

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:
Cut him in tc before he costs us games. That's what I expected. Instead he made the roster for no reason and started our skid with his drops in LA

Bell made the 53 because BA's holdout was still ongoing

Originally posted by Kolohe:

Originally posted by MucketyMuck:
I see we've shifted to injuries excuse now. Just shows that Kyle's coaching is 100% talent based.

Aren't all coaches 100% talent based, didn't see Andy Reid winning a Super Bowl without Mahomes. How many Super Bowls did Belichick win after Tom Brady left? Some of you people I swear.

What did the Rams do to push them over the hump, they went out and got Matt Stafford, Jalen Ramsey and Von Miller.

The same Rams that beat us without Puka and Kupp earlier? Tell me more about injuries. And Andy only won two of three Super Bowls because he ran into the greatest choke artist in NFL history. A guy who's literally choked 3 Super Bowls away.

What did the Rams do btw? They were down 17-7 in the 4th quarter and came back and beat Kyle the Choke artist. Right? 10 point lead, right? 0 points once again in the 4th. What they did to get over the hump was run into Kyle and him choking. Nothing special.

Originally posted by MucketyMuck:

Originally posted by Kolohe:

Originally posted by MucketyMuck:
I see we've shifted to injuries excuse now. Just shows that Kyle's coaching is 100% talent based.

Aren't all coaches 100% talent based, didn't see Andy Reid winning a Super Bowl without Mahomes. How many Super Bowls did Belichick win after Tom Brady left? Some of you people I swear.

What did the Rams do to push them over the hump, they went out and got Matt Stafford, Jalen Ramsey and Von Miller.

The same Rams that beat us without Puca and Kupp earlier? Tell me more.

And yet they have the same record as us lol. As usual, you're missing the point or just looking to keep arguing to get some attention. Typical Jiks

The point is it's hard to win when every game you're missing multiple key players, and we're also way more banged up than the Rams or any other team in the NFL for that matter.

To think that having this many injuries shouldn't matter and Kyle should have his team playing as a #1 seed is beyond dumb.

Originally posted by MucketyMuck:

Originally posted by Kolohe:

Originally posted by MucketyMuck:
I see we've shifted to injuries excuse now. Just shows that Kyle's coaching is 100% talent based.

Aren't all coaches 100% talent based, didn't see Andy Reid winning a Super Bowl without Mahomes. How many Super Bowls did Belichick win after Tom Brady left? Some of you people I swear.

What did the Rams do to push them over the hump, they went out and got Matt Stafford, Jalen Ramsey and Von Miller.

The same Rams that beat us without Puka and Kupp earlier? Tell me more about injuries. And Andy only won a Super Bowl because he ran into the greatest choke artist in NFL history.

Love the spin you put on your post. Also we weren't talking about injuries we're talking about talent which you brought up. And now you're spinning it again calling Shanahan a choke artist. You're post are all over the place reaching.

Originally posted by MucketyMuck:
The same Rams that beat us without Puka and Kupp earlier? Tell me more about injuries. And Andy only won two of three Super Bowls because he ran into the greatest choke artist in NFL history. A guy who's literally choked 3 Super Bowls away.

What did the Rams do btw? They were down 17-7 in the 4th quarter and came back and beat Kyle the Choke artist. Right? 10 point lead, right? 0 points once again in the 4th. What they did to get over the hump was run into Kyle and him choking. Nothing special.

damn dude keep crying. what a dumb whiny post.

Originally posted by boast:

Originally posted by MucketyMuck:
The same Rams that beat us without Puka and Kupp earlier? Tell me more about injuries. And Andy only won two of three Super Bowls because he ran into the greatest choke artist in NFL history. A guy who's literally choked 3 Super Bowls away.

What did the Rams do btw? They were down 17-7 in the 4th quarter and came back and beat Kyle the Choke artist. Right? 10 point lead, right? 0 points once again in the 4th. What they did to get over the hump was run into Kyle and him choking. Nothing special.

damn dude keep crying. what a dumb whiny post.

He's not wrong tho lol

Originally posted by DrEll:

Originally posted by OnTheClock:

Originally posted by DrEll:

Originally posted by OnTheClock:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by DrEll:

lol. yea why should the head coach get that blame 😂

For having to play backups all over the place? Be objective for once. It would make your other debates more palatable.

No no no, don't you think it's perfectly reasonable to expect wins with a near preseason squad out there?

I did in the first half of the season. Against teams that were more beat up like LA. Or laughers like Arizona. Seattle came in pretty weak, but they beat us up.

Can't use injuries as an excuse for every loss. Yes. Vs GB we were decimated so that was expected. But the way we lost in all of those other games isn't due to injuries. It was due to poor coaching.

cue the "players fault" in 3….2….1…

I agree that it wasn't all injuries. Minnesota outplayed us. Arizona was a fluke because we lost our kicker. Well and the Jordan Mason fumble was a huge mistake.

Honest question now -- When is it coaching versus player? Ultimately, you're never gonna have the perfect team. Sometimes you have the perfect call, and someone screws it up or the other team makes a great play. Sometimes you are stuck with a guy you don't have a better option than.

Next question -- When it is GM versus coach?

What I know for sure is: Kyle is responsible for game management -- play calls, time, challenges, offensive starters and game plan, the 53 man roster. We got confirmation last year that he delegates the defensive game plan to the DC (remember the surprise that Ward wasn't going to shadow Metcalf?) -- likewise that means he also delegates special teams to that coordinator. Both are pretty "duh" things because that's those guys' jobs. It makes total sense. Kyle cannot do everything. Nor should he be expected to.

Shanahan is not blameless for this year, but I also think he deserves far less blame than some give him. Already went into detail in another thread as to why.

It's coaching (over player) when the same mistakes happen over and over. When special teams costs you every week one way or another….and it's happening so often that we as fans almost expect them to screw us…you cannot keep blaming players. So you take it one step up and say it's the STs coach. So now the STs coach is not preparing his unit week in and week out, so they same mistakes are happening over and over, then who should we blame ? The players ? The ST coach ? No at this point it's the head coach because he's not holding that unit responsible.

Example two. You oline is good for multiple penalties every game. So we blame the players. Brendel sucks. McKivitz sucks. Every week they make a drive killing penalty. Or allow momentum changing sack. Punishment ? None. Keep doing more of the same. Oline coach ? Nope no changes. Who to blame ?

as discussed on this very page, Ronnie Bell cut. 6 weeks too late. He should have been the cut the moment he dropped that game ending catch in LA. Every arm chair fan saw he was a liability. Not Kyle though. He continued to play him until for whatever random reason this week was the week he saw that Ronnie Bell isn't worth a roster spot.

you can only blame players for so long. When issues become a pattern, it goes beyond blaming players, refs, injuries, weather, etc. There's a bigger problem here in San Fran. And the sooner we acknowledge it, the sooner start making mends…

OK one of your issues is obviously that you think Kyle takes to long to pull the trigger on someone. On Ronnie, the only reason he wasn't cut sooner was due to the rash of injuries at the time. He did get inactivated though after that game. I have a strong feeling he was just lucky to not get cut sooner. On STC, it's exceptionally rare to see them fired before late in the season. The last time one was fired before December was 2010. That said, I agree they've been bad enough to warrant an exception to the lack of precedent, and I probably would've fired him after the Cardinals game myself, but I can understand the other side of why we haven't. Maybe the blocked field goal returned saved him. IDK. There's no way anyone would've fired him after LA three weeks into the season though, and I don't know that we have any other coach currently on the team who would do any better.

Overall, it's seems like by your standard, really only one or two losses would qualify being on Shanahan (Seattle). Personally didn't like the game management on that one myself. The KC game he honestly called pretty good, Purdy just had a mega uncharacteristic day with those three backbreaking picks in scoring position. Those were definitely on Purdy. The one decision I questioned (missed Xp vs 2pt try) ultimately had no impact on the game overall.

Now, Dallas and Tampa, although wins, special teams and defense almost cost us both. For Kyle, I think Sorensen is a frustrating case. We are ranked high in some categories, but near the bottom in all the critical situational categories. This is one I would probably have made a change too by now. At least see if Staley can do better, and if he's bad too, you find a new guy.

Like I've said before, Kyle isn't blameless, but I don't think he's been as bad as you say. I think this has been his poorest season and I think there's some things he can improve on, but that does not mean he won't.

Originally posted by OnTheClock:

Originally posted by DrEll:

Originally posted by OnTheClock:

Originally posted by DrEll:

Originally posted by OnTheClock:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by DrEll:
lol. yea why should the head coach get that blame 😂

For having to play backups all over the place? Be objective for once. It would make your other debates more palatable.

No no no, don't you think it's perfectly reasonable to expect wins with a near preseason squad out there?

I did in the first half of the season. Against teams that were more beat up like LA. Or laughers like Arizona. Seattle came in pretty weak, but they beat us up.

Can't use injuries as an excuse for every loss. Yes. Vs GB we were decimated so that was expected. But the way we lost in all of those other games isn't due to injuries. It was due to poor coaching.

cue the "players fault" in 3….2….1…

I agree that it wasn't all injuries. Minnesota outplayed us. Arizona was a fluke because we lost our kicker. Well and the Jordan Mason fumble was a huge mistake.

Honest question now -- When is it coaching versus player? Ultimately, you're never gonna have the perfect team. Sometimes you have the perfect call, and someone screws it up or the other team makes a great play. Sometimes you are stuck with a guy you don't have a better option than.

Next question -- When it is GM versus coach?

What I know for sure is: Kyle is responsible for game management -- play calls, time, challenges, offensive starters and game plan, the 53 man roster. We got confirmation last year that he delegates the defensive game plan to the DC (remember the surprise that Ward wasn't going to shadow Metcalf?) -- likewise that means he also delegates special teams to that coordinator. Both are pretty "duh" things because that's those guys' jobs. It makes total sense. Kyle cannot do everything. Nor should he be expected to.

Shanahan is not blameless for this year, but I also think he deserves far less blame than some give him. Already went into detail in another thread as to why.

It's coaching (over player) when the same mistakes happen over and over. When special teams costs you every week one way or another….and it's happening so often that we as fans almost expect them to screw us…you cannot keep blaming players. So you take it one step up and say it's the STs coach. So now the STs coach is not preparing his unit week in and week out, so they same mistakes are happening over and over, then who should we blame ? The players ? The ST coach ? No at this point it's the head coach because he's not holding that unit responsible.

Example two. You oline is good for multiple penalties every game. So we blame the players. Brendel sucks. McKivitz sucks. Every week they make a drive killing penalty. Or allow momentum changing sack. Punishment ? None. Keep doing more of the same. Oline coach ? Nope no changes. Who to blame ?

as discussed on this very page, Ronnie Bell cut. 6 weeks too late. He should have been the cut the moment he dropped that game ending catch in LA. Every arm chair fan saw he was a liability. Not Kyle though. He continued to play him until for whatever random reason this week was the week he saw that Ronnie Bell isn't worth a roster spot.

you can only blame players for so long. When issues become a pattern, it goes beyond blaming players, refs, injuries, weather, etc. There's a bigger problem here in San Fran. And the sooner we acknowledge it, the sooner start making mends…

OK one of your issues is obviously that you think Kyle takes to long to pull the trigger on someone. On Ronnie, the only reason he wasn't cut sooner was due to the rash of injuries at the time. He did get inactivated though after that game. I have a strong feeling he was just lucky to not get cut sooner. On STC, it's exceptionally rare to see them fired before late in the season. The last time one was fired before December was 2010. That said, I agree they've been bad enough to warrant an exception to the lack of precedent, and I probably would've fired him after the Cardinals game myself, but I can understand the other side of why we haven't. Maybe the blocked field goal returned saved him. IDK. There's no way anyone would've fired him after LA three weeks into the season though, and I don't know that we have any other coach currently on the team who would do any better.

Overall, it's seems like by your standard, really only one or two losses would qualify being on Shanahan (Seattle). Personally didn't like the game management on that one myself. The KC game he honestly called pretty good, Purdy just had a mega uncharacteristic day with those three backbreaking picks in scoring position. Those were definitely on Purdy. The one decision I questioned (missed Xp vs 2pt try) ultimately had no impact on the game overall.

Now, Dallas and Tampa, although wins, special teams and defense almost cost us both. For Kyle, I think Sorensen is a frustrating case. We are ranked high in some categories, but near the bottom in all the critical situational categories. This is one I would probably have made a change too by now. At least see if Staley can do better, and if he's bad too, you find a new guy.

Like I've said before, Kyle isn't blameless, but I don't think he's been as bad as you say. I think this has been his poorest season and I think there's some things he can improve on, but that does not mean he won't.

Name a weakness for Kyle then provide a shred of proof that he is working on improving in that area. The thing is nobody can complete this excersise… why you ask? Because he doesn't think he is weak in any area of coaching. That is my issue with folks who think he can improve or change. It's never him, never the scheme, never the decision… he takes zero accountability. The last time, I know of, he took responsibility was when he blew the Atlanta sb.

Originally posted by MucketyMuck:

Originally posted by Kolohe:

Originally posted by MucketyMuck:
I see we've shifted to injuries excuse now. Just shows that Kyle's coaching is 100% talent based.

Aren't all coaches 100% talent based, didn't see Andy Reid winning a Super Bowl without Mahomes. How many Super Bowls did Belichick win after Tom Brady left? Some of you people I swear.

What did the Rams do to push them over the hump, they went out and got Matt Stafford, Jalen Ramsey and Von Miller.

The same Rams that beat us without Puka and Kupp earlier? Tell me more about injuries. And Andy only won two of three Super Bowls because he ran into the greatest choke artist in NFL history. A guy who's literally choked 3 Super Bowls away.

What did the Rams do btw? They were down 17-7 in the 4th quarter and came back and beat Kyle the Choke artist. Right? 10 point lead, right? 0 points once again in the 4th. What they did to get over the hump was run into Kyle and him choking. Nothing special.

One could argue that both KC and LA used Kyle as a springboard for their SB rings. We already know about Kyle choking away double digit leads in all 3 games, but LA beat Cincinnati in the SB (iirc we beat Cincy is the regular season that year).

thanks Kyle

Originally posted by LottDMontanaO:

Most screens attempted: Patrick Mahomes
Fewest screens attempted: Brock Purdy

With 30mph winds and snow both possible, I believe it's more important than ever Kyle Shanahan to rediscover an efficient short pass game. Every QB can use "layups" to be sustainably efficient

— David Lombardi (@LombardiHimself) November 30, 2024

Good luck with Kyle realizing this

John Lynch says the team has been undisciplined, has not been playing clean, it's unacceptable, and are they going to turn it around in time. The unthinkable is not.

Originally posted by hondakillerzx:

Originally posted by boast:

Originally posted by MucketyMuck:
The same Rams that beat us without Puka and Kupp earlier? Tell me more about injuries. And Andy only won two of three Super Bowls because he ran into the greatest choke artist in NFL history. A guy who's literally choked 3 Super Bowls away.

What did the Rams do btw? They were down 17-7 in the 4th quarter and came back and beat Kyle the Choke artist. Right? 10 point lead, right? 0 points once again in the 4th. What they did to get over the hump was run into Kyle and him choking. Nothing special.

damn dude keep crying. what a dumb whiny post.

He's not wrong tho lol

I mean Kyle can't make throw to the open guys in that rams game and the other games as well

in no way can a choker rebuild a franchise let alone get them to be a top team consistently. You would have to have some type of mental flaw

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by hondakillerzx:

Originally posted by boast:

Originally posted by MucketyMuck:
The same Rams that beat us without Puka and Kupp earlier? Tell me more about injuries. And Andy only won two of three Super Bowls because he ran into the greatest choke artist in NFL history. A guy who's literally choked 3 Super Bowls away.

What did the Rams do btw? They were down 17-7 in the 4th quarter and came back and beat Kyle the Choke artist. Right? 10 point lead, right? 0 points once again in the 4th. What they did to get over the hump was run into Kyle and him choking. Nothing special.

damn dude keep crying. what a dumb whiny post.

He's not wrong tho lol

I mean Kyle can't make throw to the open guys in that rams game and the other games as well

in no way can a choker rebuild a franchise let alone get them to be a top team consistently. You would have to have some type of mental flaw

Too bad you can't use "the top team" instead of "a top team". You can thank lord Shanahan for that…

Originally posted by DrEll:

Originally posted by MucketyMuck:

Originally posted by Kolohe:

Originally posted by MucketyMuck:
I see we've shifted to injuries excuse now. Just shows that Kyle's coaching is 100% talent based.

Aren't all coaches 100% talent based, didn't see Andy Reid winning a Super Bowl without Mahomes. How many Super Bowls did Belichick win after Tom Brady left? Some of you people I swear.

What did the Rams do to push them over the hump, they went out and got Matt Stafford, Jalen Ramsey and Von Miller.

The same Rams that beat us without Puka and Kupp earlier? Tell me more about injuries. And Andy only won two of three Super Bowls because he ran into the greatest choke artist in NFL history. A guy who's literally choked 3 Super Bowls away.

What did the Rams do btw? They were down 17-7 in the 4th quarter and came back and beat Kyle the Choke artist. Right? 10 point lead, right? 0 points once again in the 4th. What they did to get over the hump was run into Kyle and him choking. Nothing special.

One could argue that both KC and LA used Kyle as a springboard for their SB rings. We already know about Kyle choking away double digit leads in all 3 games, but LA beat Cincinnati in the SB (iirc we beat Cincy is the regular season that year).

thanks Kyle

lol my god man, Get a grip. Your hatred of all things KS seems unhealthy