Coaches Film Analysis: 2018 Season

Originally posted by thl408:

Originally posted by kaynj:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by jonnydel:

Originally posted by thl408:

This is the biggest gain for MIN on the day. Theilen was the go to guy for Cousins all game long and here he converts a 3rd down to continue the drive that ended in KRudolph's TD.
Quarters vs three level flood
Rarely see Quarters coverage from Saleh so this is a changeup.


This is a key moment in the play for Colbert. If the #2WR (Thielen 19) goes vertical, then Colbert will match him. If Thielen does not go vertical, then Colbert is to double team the #1WR (red arrow).


As Thielen (19) bends his bench route, Colbert makes the determination that Thielen is not going vertical, moves off Thielen, and double teams the #1. KWilliams is distracted by the drag route from Diggs so he does not gain depth. This allows Thielen to be unaccounted for. Thielen is kind of in no man's land so I can see why Colbert let him go. If Colbert doesn't double the Go route up the sideline, then Spoon is on his own with no inside help in case that WR runs a Post.

+34

When I watched this I felt like Williams got caught watching the crosser expecting him to continue his route and was getting ready to jump on the crosser. Instead, the receiver cut it off over the middle. That's a play where the opposing team out-schemed us on this one. It happens to all defenses. Those OC's are getting paid too.

Yeah, Cousins had two wide open there with Williams caught in no-man's land. I remember the commentator getting on him for what he was even looking at but it was that wide open crosser in the middle of the field. Pick your poison. I'm not even sure how this should have been defended.

Huge play in this game.
Warner should have stayed with Diggs. You can see that Sherman had the guy running into the flat. Warner stays with Diggs now Williams can follow Thielan. I think Williams was also caught in a spot where he didnt know who to stay with since Warner followed the guy into the flat

KWilliams put in a tough spot for sure. I think the perfect way to play this is Colbert matches Thielen and Spoon is able to handle any kind of Post route from #1. This puts big pressure on Spoon though. It's a good play by the offense. The depth Thielen ran his route makes it iffy on whether Colbert considers Thielen "vertical".
Diggs put his arms out to draw more attention to himself. It's 3rd & 5 so KWilliams has to be threatened by Diggs. I don't blame KW for thinking he needs to stay with Diggs. I also don't blame Colbert for helping Spoon although I don't know who that WR is. Probably Treadwell.

Originally posted by communist:
That was a serious question, guys

Originally posted by jgarf08:

Originally posted by qnnhan7:

Originally posted by thl408:

Originally posted by qnnhan7:
I think the missed Garcon TD is on Jimmy. It did looked like he waited a tad too long to throw the ball. It should be right when Garcon turned his head around, which would be between the hash and numbers, but he didn't get it until he was outside the numbers. The defender trailing Garcon had his back turned. He wouldn't have seen the ball to make a play on it had it been thrown.

He took 3 steps and a hitch. So no hitch? The defender threatening Garcon isthe CB lined up over Breida, watching the play as he bails. Maybe I'm overestimating that CB's range.
Yeah I think if he doesn't hitch the pass has a better chance. Don't know what the play requires. The announcer was only speculating that the convo between Kyle and Jimmy was about that.

Garcon should've gotten the ball at the first 'i' of the 'Vikings' in the endzone and just as he got to the 'V'. I don't think the Breida CB could've made the play on the ball if thrown in that area.

That really doesn't look like a hitch to me. Looks like a lazy step up to throw from Jimmy. Any who, it looks like the timing between the 2 guys was off. Like Kaep had thrown the ball

Am I the only one who thinks that is a bust by Breida? Seems a little tight to run a flood concept, you allow the CB to play both. I would imagine they would have Breida on a hitch/stop which we have seen with that Scissor concept last year, or it could be a Snag concept with Breida on the slant/hook, or maybe it was a flood and Breida needed to continue across the back of the end zone. Thought it was weird watching it live, puzzling me still.

Originally posted by Paul_Hofer:

Originally posted by communist:
That was a serious question, guys

I think that is AA who should have jumped at Cousins for a tackle before the throw rather than push Cousins after the throw.

Originally posted by jgarf08:

Originally posted by littleken:

Originally posted by jonnydel:

Originally posted by thl408:
This is the biggest gain for MIN on the day. Theilen was the go to guy for Cousins all game long and here he converts a 3rd down to continue the drive that ended in KRudolph's TD.
Quarters vs three level flood
Rarely see Quarters coverage from Saleh so this is a changeup.


This is a key moment in the play for Colbert. If the #2WR (Thielen 19) goes vertical, then Colbert will match him. If Thielen does not go vertical, then Colbert is to double team the #1WR (red arrow).


As Thielen (19) bends his bench route, Colbert makes the determination that Thielen is not going vertical, moves off Thielen, and double teams the #1. KWilliams is distracted by the drag route from Diggs so he does not gain depth. This allows Thielen to be unaccounted for. Thielen is kind of in no man's land so I can see why Colbert let him go. If Colbert doesn't double the Go route up the sideline, then Spoon is on his own with no inside help in case that WR runs a Post.


+34

When I watched this I felt like Williams got caught watching the crosser expecting him to continue his route and was getting ready to jump on the crosser. Instead, the receiver cut it off over the middle. That's a play where the opposing team out-schemed us on this one. It happens to all defenses. Those OC's are getting paid too.

Is it more like it happens that the play the offense called worked well against this defensive play, rather than smartly out-schemed us on this play? As you mentioned, this is a Quarters coverage, which we rarely played, so OC couldn't really expect this coverage.

The play is a good cover 3 beater as well. When I can't pick up a tendency in terms of coverage on specific D&D/Situation I tend to call pass plays that are good against multiple looks not just what I am expecting. This concept is essentially a drive/shallow concept (bottom) with a switch flood concept (top). Cousins can identify coverage and know where to go with the ball.

I think this is Palms coverage, good call against it. Depending on the established break point with the CB/Safety up top, Witherspoon (?) could be responsible for the sail route, and Williams could have been right taking the crosser knowing he has a flat defender in the CB. Goes against what I thought live, but that would be my guess. Good scheme by the Viks in either case.

Originally posted by Paul_Hofer:

I think that is AA who should have jumped at Cousins for a tackle before the throw rather than push Cousins after the throw.

Originally posted by thl408:
Blooper or highlight?

Originally posted by thl408:

Originally posted by kaynj:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by jonnydel:

Originally posted by thl408:
This is the biggest gain for MIN on the day. Theilen was the go to guy for Cousins all game long and here he converts a 3rd down to continue the drive that ended in KRudolph's TD.
Quarters vs three level flood
Rarely see Quarters coverage from Saleh so this is a changeup.


This is a key moment in the play for Colbert. If the #2WR (Thielen 19) goes vertical, then Colbert will match him. If Thielen does not go vertical, then Colbert is to double team the #1WR (red arrow).


As Thielen (19) bends his bench route, Colbert makes the determination that Thielen is not going vertical, moves off Thielen, and double teams the #1. KWilliams is distracted by the drag route from Diggs so he does not gain depth. This allows Thielen to be unaccounted for. Thielen is kind of in no man's land so I can see why Colbert let him go. If Colbert doesn't double the Go route up the sideline, then Spoon is on his own with no inside help in case that WR runs a Post.

+34

When I watched this I felt like Williams got caught watching the crosser expecting him to continue his route and was getting ready to jump on the crosser. Instead, the receiver cut it off over the middle. That's a play where the opposing team out-schemed us on this one. It happens to all defenses. Those OC's are getting paid too.

Yeah, Cousins had two wide open there with Williams caught in no-man's land. I remember the commentator getting on him for what he was even looking at but it was that wide open crosser in the middle of the field. Pick your poison. I'm not even sure how this should have been defended.

Huge play in this game.
Warner should have stayed with Diggs. You can see that Sherman had the guy running into the flat. Warner stays with Diggs now Williams can follow Thielan. I think Williams was also caught in a spot where he didnt know who to stay with since Warner followed the guy into the flat

KWilliams put in a tough spot for sure. I think the perfect way to play this is Colbert matches Thielen and Spoon is able to handle any kind of Post route from #1. This puts big pressure on Spoon though. It's a good play by the offense. The depth Thielen ran his route makes it iffy on whether Colbert considers Thielen "vertical".
Diggs put his arms out to draw more attention to himself. It's 3rd & 5 so KWilliams has to be threatened by Diggs. I don't blame KW for thinking he needs to stay with Diggs. I also don't blame Colbert for helping Spoon although I don't know who that WR is. Probably Treadwell.

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by thl408:

Blooper or highlight?

6 missed tackles right up the gut...lucky 7 comes through!

Originally posted by qnnhan7:
The new tackling rule. Don't hurt the runner. Better to let him run over you.

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by thl408:

Blooper or highlight?

6 missed tackles right up the gut...lucky 7 comes through!

Originally posted by jgarf08:

We could be using different verbiage but to me 2 trap is the CB jumping the #2 WR in a 2x2 or apexing #2 and #3 in a 3x1 set aggressively. I have film of it somewhere but he will start in a normal Cov. 2 Alignment and on the snap will run to apex #1 and #2 or apex #2 an #3 to try and disrupt short quick throws.

Palms or 2 read or the million other terms people call it nowadays is a pattern match scheme where the CB and Safety are reading the stem of the #2 or #3 WR. If they get a route by 2 or 3 that is fast to the flat, the coverage becomes Cov. 2 (squat CB, deep 1/2 Safety), if they get 2 vertical stems it becomes Qtrs/Cov. 4. The coverage has adapted recently, but there is generally a break point, or a max yardage where the DBs will turn it to Cov 2. TCU's break point right now is only immediate fast to the flat (bubble, smoke, flat). Some teams still have a 10 yard break point, some 8, some 5, etc.

Hope that explained it.

Originally posted by thl408:

Originally posted by jgarf08:

Originally posted by qnnhan7:

Originally posted by thl408:

Originally posted by qnnhan7:
I think the missed Garcon TD is on Jimmy. It did looked like he waited a tad too long to throw the ball. It should be right when Garcon turned his head around, which would be between the hash and numbers, but he didn't get it until he was outside the numbers. The defender trailing Garcon had his back turned. He wouldn't have seen the ball to make a play on it had it been thrown.

He took 3 steps and a hitch. So no hitch? The defender threatening Garcon isthe CB lined up over Breida, watching the play as he bails. Maybe I'm overestimating that CB's range.
Yeah I think if he doesn't hitch the pass has a better chance. Don't know what the play requires. The announcer was only speculating that the convo between Kyle and Jimmy was about that.

Garcon should've gotten the ball at the first 'i' of the 'Vikings' in the endzone and just as he got to the 'V'. I don't think the Breida CB could've made the play on the ball if thrown in that area.

That really doesn't look like a hitch to me. Looks like a lazy step up to throw from Jimmy. Any who, it looks like the timing between the 2 guys was off. Like Kaep had thrown the ball

Am I the only one who thinks that is a bust by Breida? Seems a little tight to run a flood concept, you allow the CB to play both. I would imagine they would have Breida on a hitch/stop which we have seen with that Scissor concept last year, or it could be a Snag concept with Breida on the slant/hook, or maybe it was a flood and Breida needed to continue across the back of the end zone. Thought it was weird watching it live, puzzling me still.

Yeah maybe Breida should taken his CB inside with a Post, similar to the ATL play that 816 posted. I agree it's too close to the endzone to run a Go route as a clearing route and have an intermediate route come underneath (Garcon). Good to see you drop by.

Originally posted by brodiebluebanaszak:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by thl408:

Blooper or highlight?

6 missed tackles right up the gut...lucky 7 comes through!

Yes. Its incredible.