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Originally posted by CatchMaster80:
Originally posted by Kolohe:
Originally posted by CatchMaster80:
Before the season started people were saying that the Niners D line was the best or second best in the league. At this point I'm not sure they're even top 10. They're not getting the pressure or sacks that we expected but they're also giving up too many yards on the ground. Is it the changes that Wilks brought in?

They're getting the pressures they're just not finishing.

So they aren't getting the job done. Pressures are fine but sacks are way better. Yardage loss. The chance of a QB fumble. The way they fire up the defense and home crowd. Good QBs can throw under pressure. They can't throw when they're on the ground.

Bill Belichick does not agree :

"I think if you look at the overall passing game, the statistic that stands out the most in terms of correlation is pressure. So pressure on the quarterback leads to more bad plays than sacks do, in terms of turnovers unless you have strip sacks, obviously. That's the No. 1. After that, pressures cause bad throws and potentially turnovers."

Belichick noted that the pass rush comes down to team defense, tethering the production of the pass rush to the quality of coverage and vice versa. But his note about focusing on strip sacks and pressure while devaluing sacks is a unique insight. Sacks make players money, but they may not be tied to winning football games. Winning the turnover differential is an enormous part of winning football games. The Los Angeles Rams (+11), New Orleans Saints (+8), Chicago Bears (+14) are in the top five in turnover differential. The Patriots are in the top 10 at +5, a number which is improving as Tom Brady hasn't thrown an interception since Week 7.

So if pressures are tied to turnovers and turnovers are tied to wins, then Belichick's emphasis on pressures follow his cliche: "We do what's best for the team to win games."

Pressures force QBs off their spots and to make quicker decisions. They lead to QBs making poor decisions to avoid the sack, which can lead to errant/inaccurate throws, tips and picks.

Belichick isn't the only defensive minded coach in football (both college and pros) who have this mindset, it's actually a pretty common mindset amongst defensive coaches.
I liked this thread much better when it was dead, on page 5. That means it's doing its job and is not a concern.
Is this real life? How???
Originally posted by NCommand:
Is this real life? How???

Poor scheme, play calling, and the fact that I could block this guy...

Originally posted by Waterbear:
Originally posted by NCommand:
Is this real life? How???

Poor scheme, play calling, and the fact that I could block this guy...


Wait.
Originally posted by evil:
Originally posted by CatchMaster80:
Originally posted by Kolohe:
Originally posted by CatchMaster80:
Before the season started people were saying that the Niners D line was the best or second best in the league. At this point I'm not sure they're even top 10. They're not getting the pressure or sacks that we expected but they're also giving up too many yards on the ground. Is it the changes that Wilks brought in?

They're getting the pressures they're just not finishing.

So they aren't getting the job done. Pressures are fine but sacks are way better. Yardage loss. The chance of a QB fumble. The way they fire up the defense and home crowd. Good QBs can throw under pressure. They can't throw when they're on the ground.

Bill Belichick does not agree :

"I think if you look at the overall passing game, the statistic that stands out the most in terms of correlation is pressure. So pressure on the quarterback leads to more bad plays than sacks do, in terms of turnovers unless you have strip sacks, obviously. That's the No. 1. After that, pressures cause bad throws and potentially turnovers."

Belichick noted that the pass rush comes down to team defense, tethering the production of the pass rush to the quality of coverage and vice versa. But his note about focusing on strip sacks and pressure while devaluing sacks is a unique insight. Sacks make players money, but they may not be tied to winning football games. Winning the turnover differential is an enormous part of winning football games. The Los Angeles Rams (+11), New Orleans Saints (+8), Chicago Bears (+14) are in the top five in turnover differential. The Patriots are in the top 10 at +5, a number which is improving as Tom Brady hasn't thrown an interception since Week 7.

So if pressures are tied to turnovers and turnovers are tied to wins, then Belichick's emphasis on pressures follow his cliche: "We do what's best for the team to win games."

Pressures force QBs off their spots and to make quicker decisions. They lead to QBs making poor decisions to avoid the sack, which can lead to errant/inaccurate throws, tips and picks.

Belichick isn't the only defensive minded coach in football (both college and pros) who have this mindset, it's actually a pretty common mindset amongst defensive coaches.

Well it's kinda common sense. Sacks are not vital. Preventing plays down the field -- something we didn't do our last game -- by any means necessary, is.

3 additional sacks our last game doesn't necessarily mean we would've. It's a "symptom" type of stat.
This D line had better start sacking the s**t out of opposing QBs. Bosa, AA, Hargrave, Young!! LFG!!!!!
No more damn excuses if this Dline doesn't get sacks and impacting negative plays. Bosa needs to take this bye week seriously and wake the fudge up. Teams are no longer doubling him... just shows what type of impact hes doing now....
Originally posted by DRCHOWDER:
No more damn excuses if this Dline doesn't get sacks and impacting negative plays. Bosa needs to take this bye week seriously and wake the fudge up. Teams are no longer doubling him... just shows what type of impact hes doing now....

Hat 30% double rate. That's way up there.
Originally posted by brodiebluebanaszak:
Originally posted by DRCHOWDER:
No more damn excuses if this Dline doesn't get sacks and impacting negative plays. Bosa needs to take this bye week seriously and wake the fudge up. Teams are no longer doubling him... just shows what type of impact hes doing now....

Hat 30% double rate. That's way up there.

yes, but recently he hasn't be doubled as much.
Originally posted by DRCHOWDER:
Originally posted by brodiebluebanaszak:
Originally posted by DRCHOWDER:
No more damn excuses if this Dline doesn't get sacks and impacting negative plays. Bosa needs to take this bye week seriously and wake the fudge up. Teams are no longer doubling him... just shows what type of impact hes doing now....

Hat 30% double rate. That's way up there.

yes, but recently he hasn't be doubled as much.

If he is always doubled moving forward, someone else needs to step up. Every dude on that line should win 1 on 1 at least 30% of the time. Wilks needs to get more creative with stunts. No excuses rest of the season.
mOR dL!!!!
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Watching the 2022 Washington game, TY McGill disrupted their run game a few times. Most notable was the double team that freed up Warner on the goal line stance at the end of the first quarter. McGill needs to be signed to the active roster, they gotta bolster the run defense more.
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Originally posted by Kolohe:
Watching the 2022 Washington game, TY McGill disrupted their run game a few times. Most notable was the double team that freed up Warner on the goal line stance at the end of the first quarter. McGill needs to be signed to the active roster, they gotta bolster the run defense more.

I would like to see McGill too. He isn't a splashy player but that's not what this run defense needs. Just someone that can give 12-15 snaps of being immovable. Sit Givens or Kinlaw.
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