How Jim Harbaugh's 49ers plummeted from the cusp of SB Glory to rock bottom. (Video)

When you look at what Greg Roman is doing with the Ravens he clearly wasn't the problem for us.

The issue with us was Jed York and Trent Baalke (sp), these guys tore down our championship team quicker than a lightning bolt.

Originally posted by glorydayz:

When you look at what Greg Roman is doing with the Ravens he clearly wasn't the problem for us.

The issue with us was Jed York and Trent Baalke (sp), these guys tore down our championship team quicker than a lightning bolt.

Greg Roman knows the run game. He was a problem in the pass game. Clearly the Ravens pass game coordinator is better than John Morton or Geep Christ though.

Didn't watch but in fairness to the fo with the losses of Smith, Cowboy, McDonald, Willis, Bowman, Davis, Davis the drop off was inevitable. Our management was terrible and contributed to the demise but you could never predict that sh storm in a million years.

Anyways Jed you totally redeemed yourself.

Originally posted by tjd808185:
Didn't watch but in fairness to the fo with the losses of Smith, Cowboy, McDonald, Willis, Bowman, Davis, Davis the drop off was inevitable. Our management was terrible and contributed to the demise but you could never predict that sh storm in a million years.

Anyways Jed you totally redeemed yourself.

We had years to draft replacements for those guys but the FO kept selecting busts and acl projects that didn't pan out. So the FO itself caused that issue.

Originally posted by tjd808185:

Didn't watch but in fairness to the fo with the losses of Smith, Cowboy, McDonald, Willis, Bowman, Davis, Davis the drop off was inevitable. Our management was terrible and contributed to the demise but you could never predict that sh storm in a million years.

Anyways Jed you totally redeemed yourself.

LOL...Jim had about 18 coordinators the play would go through before he decided to go with it or not. #DelayOfGameGod

Yorks.

I don't need a video to know that.

Originally posted by TheGore49er:
His biggest fault was being too much of a ra ra guy. He shouldve toned that down after the first year or two, players were getting annoyed. Overall though, the collapse can be blamed on Jeds fragile ego and Baalke being a terrible GM.

Lets not forget that snitch whistle blower reporting to the FO. Singletary called it out "I smell a rat". Turns out it was the fart thrower Tomsula undermining not one but two HC's and he got the job both times.

Originally posted by SanDiego49er:
Yorks.

I don't need a video to know that.

This. We're so lucky to be competitive again after all that transpired.

Originally posted by glorydayz:

Originally posted by tjd808185:

Didn't watch but in fairness to the fo with the losses of Smith, Cowboy, McDonald, Willis, Bowman, Davis, Davis the drop off was inevitable. Our management was terrible and contributed to the demise but you could never predict that sh storm in a million years.

Anyways Jed you totally redeemed yourself.

We had years to draft replacements for those guys but the FO kept selecting busts and acl projects that didn't pan out. So the FO itself caused that issue.

Agree. The difference is that Staley and Mcglinchy goes down, we got Skule and Brunskill, Blair goes down, we got Demontre, Kwon goes down, we got Dre Greenlaw etc... So you are right that the front office failed Jim Harbaugh. Again, I'm still a big fan of Colin, and I thought we was progressing the way Lamar is currently - it's just that the front office could not find the pass catchers that fit with Colin's talent.

I still view (with rose colored glasses for sure) that Colin - if given Lamar's wide recievers or Jimmy's Wr's, would have been an excellent QB and would have developed to be a good to great pocket passer eventually. He needed stablity from a OC point of view, that Jimmy has with Kyle in order for that to have worked.

I still would love it, if Kyle drafts or maybe get an undrafted QB - with the athleticism of a Lamar Jackson or Colin Kaepernick as a backup to Jimmy and Mullens and take his time to develop said athletic QB. I think an offense with a pocket passer that can run is an offense that has the potential to be unstoppable.

So if we won that Superbowl, would Harbaugh still be around?

No way Jed could get away with canning him after he got #6.

Originally posted by Giedi:
Agree. The difference is that Staley and Mcglinchy goes down, we got Skule and Brunskill, Blair goes down, we got Demontre, Kwon goes down, we got Dre Greenlaw etc... So you are right that the front office failed Jim Harbaugh. Again, I'm still a big fan of Colin, and I thought we was progressing the way Lamar is currently - it's just that the front office could not find the pass catchers that fit with Colin's talent.

I still view (with rose colored glasses for sure) that Colin - if given Lamar's wide recievers or Jimmy's Wr's, would have been an excellent QB and would have developed to be a good to great pocket passer eventually. He needed stablity from a OC point of view, that Jimmy has with Kyle in order for that to have worked.

I still would love it, if Kyle drafts or maybe get an undrafted QB - with the athleticism of a Lamar Jackson or Colin Kaepernick as a backup to Jimmy and Mullens and take his time to develop said athletic QB. I think an offense with a pocket passer that can run is an offense that has the potential to be unstoppable.

Colin was fast but no where near as quick as Jackson. He had no pocket presence at all and often ran in circles trying to avoid the rush. You watch Wilson who isn't near as fast but seems to know which way to move when under pressure, and he's under pressure a lot. Colin has great arm strength but accuracy was always a problem for him. Jim Harbaugh never fully committed to the pistol or any type of offense that would fully take advantage of his skill set. John has completely let Roman build around Jackson. We'll se how long before the NFL figures it out or Jackson gets hurt.

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:

Originally posted by Giedi:

Agree. The difference is that Staley and Mcglinchy goes down, we got Skule and Brunskill, Blair goes down, we got Demontre, Kwon goes down, we got Dre Greenlaw etc... So you are right that the front office failed Jim Harbaugh. Again, I'm still a big fan of Colin, and I thought we was progressing the way Lamar is currently - it's just that the front office could not find the pass catchers that fit with Colin's talent.

I still view (with rose colored glasses for sure) that Colin - if given Lamar's wide recievers or Jimmy's Wr's, would have been an excellent QB and would have developed to be a good to great pocket passer eventually. He needed stablity from a OC point of view, that Jimmy has with Kyle in order for that to have worked.

I still would love it, if Kyle drafts or maybe get an undrafted QB - with the athleticism of a Lamar Jackson or Colin Kaepernick as a backup to Jimmy and Mullens and take his time to develop said athletic QB. I think an offense with a pocket passer that can run is an offense that has the potential to be unstoppable.

Colin was fast but no where near as quick as Jackson. He had no pocket presence at all and often ran in circles trying to avoid the rush. You watch Wilson who isn't near as fast but seems to know which way to move when under pressure, and he's under pressure a lot. Colin has great arm strength but accuracy was always a problem for him. Jim Harbaugh never fully committed to the pistol or any type of offense that would fully take advantage of his skill set. John has completely let Roman build around Jackson. We'll se how long before the NFL figures it out or Jackson gets hurt.

All excellent points. But I think Colin's problem was simply not enough reps. And from what I can gather from his practice habits, he was more aligned to be a running back (hence lifting weights and working out his body) vs film study. Those stories were very disappointing.

If Harbaugh stayed, I think he and Harbaugh had a good enough connection to where *maybe* Harbaugh could have convinced Colin to do more workouts from the Neck up instead of the Neck down. I'm thinking if he would have put the time in to reading defenses and developing his touch and accuracy, he'd be a good QB today. But once Harbaugh left, I think he kind of lost his direction and really had to rely on himself (in a sense) because he was really a hard QB to related to for, I think, most OC's.

But I'd *love* it for Kyle to get a 3rd string QB with a rocket arm and could run the 4.4 forty and develop him behind Mullens and Jimmy.

Harbaugh's 49ers never crash to the bottom.
Jed York prior to the 2014 season decided that it was best to get rid of Harbaugh and replacing with tomsula and that's what led to hitting rock bottom.

And, Harbaugh was right to stick by Roman. That offense control the ball and War defenses down and fit the personnel here well.

Originally posted by TheWooLick:

Harbaugh's 49ers never crash to the bottom.
Jed York prior to the 2014 season decided that it was best to get rid of Harbaugh and replacing with tomsula and that's what led to hitting rock bottom.

And, Harbaugh was right to stick by Roman. That offense control the ball and War defenses down and fit the personnel here well.

No he wasn't right. You have to be able to functionally pass the ball and convert on 3rd downs. The team couldn't do that which put way too much pressure on the defense.

Harbaughs ego was too big to allow for hiring a coach that new passing game concepts that would allow for Roman to do what he does best, call the run game. Doing the same thing at Michigan.

So tired of hearing about this old drama, I'm over Harbaugh, and I'm over the early part of this decade.